Barbie

[Secret Chief]

No, it's not made for kids. They aren't going to get the plot or the humor.

You mean a 5 year old may not have seen 2001: A Space Oddysey?

 

[PureX]

Did you see the movie? If so, name one man in the movie that was good or not meek.

Why does that matter. Do you think movies are "how to live" textbooks? Or dissertations on social morality?

I think we are WAY over analyzing the moral implications of a silly film based on the way young girls played with Barbie dolls. Is this really what we've come to? Is EVERYTHING now a social/political football for us to fight about?

 

[PureX]

You mean a 5 year old may not have seen 2001: A Space Oddysey?

No, I mean it's a comical look BACK at the way young girls thought about and played with Barbie dolls. Real young girls aren't going to get the concept of "looking back" at it with humor or nostalgia. And real young boys aren't going to care at all. It's not a movie made for kids. It's a movie made about the way girls saw the world through their Barbies, and how that changed as they began to get older.

 

[crossfire]

I'm pretty sure the movie intentionally exaggerates its plot and themes. The whole premise is a fantasy land involving dolls. Not sure we should expect much realism from that.

I haven't seen the movie. I can only imagine what Barbie looked like when she went to the real world. 7 ft tall, size 2 with size triple G bra? Dressed all in neon pink with ultra high heels?

 

[PureX]

I haven't seen the movie. I can only imagine what Barbie looked like when she went to the real world. 7 ft tall, size 2 with size triple G bra? Dressed all in neon pink with ultra high heels?

Actually, she looked remarkably like Margo Robbie.

 

[Father Heathen]

Did you see the movie? If so, name one man in the movie that was good or not meek.

Only insecure beta males get bent out of shape over some silly movie where they're not even the target audience.

Seriously, how many movies have depicted women as helpless damsels in distress whose only purpose is for the hero to rescue and serve as his love interest?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Actually, she looked remarkably like Margo Robbie.

Didn't need to audition apparently. (Not that I know this)

 

[PureX]

Didn't need to audition apparently. (Not that I know this)

Yes, a producer, I think.

 

[syo]

with pro abortion imagery

Hell yeah! Go, Barbie!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I haven't read through the whole thread but I just HAVE to jump to the defense of this movie.

I loved this movie, watched it with my boyfriend. It's been a long time since a movie had me laughing from start to finish.

It is PG-13. It is definitely not a movie for little kids and it's obvious by watching it that little kids were not the target audience at all. I saw a couple parents walk out with their little kiddos before the movie was halfway through. All the humor in it is like for millennials/and gen z even.

My immediate siblings and cousins saw it too (aged 20s-30s) and they all loved it. Sure, the movie was rather "liberal" i.e. a proud proponent of girl power, buuuut like most youngins are more liberal than the generations that has preceded them.

I'm not gonna go through your list of bullet points but I will comment on your first point about the opening scene.

The opening scene was a literal spoof of the opening scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think you read into it the wrong way.

Oh, also does the mentions of patriarchy make you uncomfortable? Do you disagree and say that we don't live in a patriarchal society? We definitely do, sure, progress has been made but not enough.

Agreed. I feel like I watched a different movie than the person describing it in to OP.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Let me know what you think when you see it. All the men were misogynistic, stupid, greedy, easily manipulated, dirty or they were meek. Find one man that was good or not meek. If you replaced jews for the men in this movie you would have a movie that portrayed the jews as dirty, greedy, oppressive, dishonest and stupid. Would that be ok?

Allan.

It was also marketed to kids. In the movie they talk about wanting to see the bulge in the Kens pants, tell the children watching their moms don't like being moms, and ken's beaching each other off. It also shows no women in power in the real world. How is that realistic?

It's rated PG-13.

I used to play with a lot of Barbie's when I was younger. Believe me, we already know what Ken's got under his pants (or doesn't have ). Barbie too.

And it's kind of part of the point that the Ken's are all the same. Ken has always been pretty bland, and practically all Ken dolls created over the last few decades (well, maybe until recently) were pretty much the same thing with the plastic blonde hair and limited clothing options. Not much variety there, because Ken was something of an afterthought to Barbie. I have 3 Ken dolls from 3 different eras - mine, my mother's and my sister's - and they're practically the same doll. Meantime you've got Career Barbie, Wheelchair Barbie, Rocker Barbie, Workout Barbie, and on and on.

I had a lot of fun looking for all the Barbie's, cars and accessories I used to have growing up that showed up at various different points throughout the movie.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think you have to approach it as being satire, but the main issue - as you mentioned - is that it will likely appeal to children (well I wonder why ), even if the main points of the film will go over their heads.

There are a lot of movies like that, even something like Shrek has some element of that.

Heck, most of the movies I watched in the 1980s were like that. When I watch them now I can't figure out how I missed it all when I was a kid.

 

[Mock Turtle]

There are a lot of movies like that, even something like Shrek has some element of that.

Heck, most of the movies I watched in the 1980s were like that. When I watch them now I can't figure out how I missed it all when I was a kid.

Yeah, I suspect I have missed lots from all the various films I have ever seen, although I don't tend to watch that many these days. I'll have to wait before Barbie appears on TV to make any proper judgment, but it sure seems to separate those onboard with feminism from those still not so much.

 

[wellwisher]

Barbie was a relentless attack on men with pro abortion imagery showing all men to be patriarchal, misogynistic, low intelligence, easily manipulated, greedy and violent. I cannot tell you how relentless it was, you have to see it to understand. If I was not at the drive in I would have walked out. My wife was appalled as well. We both felt sick when we left.

Here is a summary: It starts in Barbieland where the Barbies are in charge and the Kens are submissive. Stereotypical Barbie and White Ken go to the real world from Barbieland to find a girl that needs help. They depict the real world as a patriarchal misogynistic world where men rule everything and women are subjugated. White Ken sees this and learns from this "real" society. He goes back to Barbieland without Barbie and brainwashes the Barbies and institutes a patriarchal, misogynistic society that oppresses women. Barbie goes back to find this and manipulates the men into fighting a violent war between themselves so the Barbies can take over again. When this is done, everything is back to the way it should be. The Kens are submissive again and the Barbies are in charge.

Key Takeaways:

1. First scene bashed motherhood and literally had little girls bashing baby dolls heads on strollers, cribs and rocks to destroy them
2. Heard the word patriarchy at least 40 times.
3. All men acted like it was 1950.
4. The only "good" male in the movie was shown as meek and powerless.
5. Showed the Mattel board of directors as all misogynistic men when in actuality Mattel has 5 of the 11 board members as women.
6. All men were shown to be dumb.
7. The white Ken was shown to be a moron and the leader of the rebellion that brainwashed the Barbies into complying with an oppressive patriarchal society.
8. Long monologues of how women are oppressed and how hard it is to be a woman in a patriarchal society with no talk at all of any real issues men have.
9. Ken was "reformed" at the end of the movie depicting him as meek, submissive and powerless.

I wanted to like this movie hoping it was a fun movie with a good message for women and girls. It was worse than anything I could have imagined and a bait and switch. No trailer showed what the movie was really about. My 12 yo son will not be watching this movie. He would come out of it thinking that he is terrible just for being a boy. Instead of cleverly bringing up issues men and women have and have them work together to resolve or at least understand each other, they used hate and bigotry to get their view across.

Before you write this off as some kind of male fragility or something, take time to understand the movie or watch it. It was unfair and divisive.

The political Left likes to pander to its base, using alternate reality. I have not seen the movie, but the Barbie movie appears to be part of the continuing programing effort for the lucrative transgender industries. The line between male and female is deliberately blurred, for the young children; Barbie and Ken, making it easier to create free future lab rats for medical experiments.

What I would like to see a movie about women being women, instead of women made to copy men, while employing a role reversal for men, to create a mirror world of alternate reality. Why doesn't Liberal Hollywood think women are not proud to be women? Why do they think they need to mimic men? Why place men in a hole, to create the illusion of rising above? The math does not add up to reality, but appears like social engineering propaganda.

One can see this template in US commercials, where the female, and minorities play the role of 1950's style men, and the white male is the now the 1950's dingbat wife. I think it is funny, but it is more like brain washing than the soil for healthy child development for reality. This could explain adolescent confusion issues and vulnerability to fake news.

It would be like having commercials about basketball shoes, where in that alternate reality, white boys are winning the games with their new shoes, while the black boys are all thumbs and feet and can't dance. I would prefer what is real, instead of pandering to a social engineering brain wash for marketing purposes.

Left wing Fake News does the same thing, in terms of building up crooked leaders as honest, while putting the honest leader in a hole, so the other can appear to rise above. Biden won on that, but now we have a reality check which is not like the movie.

This social engineering pattern of the Left could explain something else. Say you pander to minorities in commercials and movies, but fail to change reality in Democrat run cities, will the movies and commercial illusion be enough to add cover to an illusion of change, than never really happens as sold? On the one hand, minorities can see ideal social change on TV commercials, but nothing have changed in their own hard reality. This sudden awareness may be where the blame game comes in; add smoke to the mirrors.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Why doesn't Liberal Hollywood think women are not proud to be women? Why do they think they need to mimic men?

I think this question is answered by this:

One can see this template in US commercials, where the female, and minorities play the role of 1950's style men, and the white male is the now the 1950's dingbat wife.

There's nothing wrong with wanting or being proud to be a homemaker by anyone regardless of sex or gender, but it would appear that the role of "digbat wife" isn't a desired one.

No wonder traditional gender roles are being questioned.

Also, why shouldn't minorities play the part of a "head-of-household" figure? This seem less about Hollywood being liberal and more about it not engaging in bigotry.

 

[Viker]

The political Left likes to pander to its base, using alternate reality. I have not seen the movie, but the Barbie movie appears to be part of the continuing programing effort for the lucrative transgender industries. The line between male and female is deliberately blurred, for the young children; Barbie and Ken, making it easier to create free future lab rats for medical experiments.

What I would like to see a movie about women being women, instead of women made to copy men, while employing a role reversal for men, to create a mirror world of alternate reality. Why doesn't Liberal Hollywood think women are not proud to be women? Why do they think they need to mimic men? Why place men in a hole, to create the illusion of rising above? The math does not add up to reality, but appears like social engineering propaganda.

One can see this template in US commercials, where the female, and minorities play the role of 1950's style men, and the white male is the now the 1950's dingbat wife. I think it is funny, but it is more like brain washing than the soil for healthy child development for reality. This could explain adolescent confusion issues and vulnerability to fake news.

It would be like having commercials about basketball shoes, where in that alternate reality, white boys are winning the games with their new shoes, while the black boys are all thumbs and feet and can't dance. I would prefer what is real, instead of pandering to a social engineering brain wash for marketing purposes.

Left wing Fake News does the same thing, in terms of building up crooked leaders as honest, while putting the honest leader in a hole, so the other can appear to rise above. Biden won on that, but now we have a reality check which is not like the movie.

This social engineering pattern of the Left could explain something else. Say you pander to minorities in commercials and movies, but fail to change reality in Democrat run cities, will the movies and commercial illusion be enough to add cover to an illusion of change, than never really happens as sold? On the one hand, minorities can see ideal social change on TV commercials, but nothing have changed in their own hard reality. This sudden awareness may be where the blame game comes in; add smoke to the mirrors.

I'm just curious. Do you ever get this outraged over the portrayal of the "1950s dingbat wife"?

 

[Viker]

What I would like to see a movie about women being women, instead of women made to copy men, while employing a role reversal for men, to create a mirror world of alternate reality

Exactly what role should women be playing? Aren't most movies like an alternate reality?

 

[Viker]

social engineering propaganda.

Ah, people made the same accusation about the movie '300'. And it almost looked that way.

 

[PureX]

"... the lucrative transgender industries ..."

That's hilarious.

 

[Viker]

"... the lucrative transgender industries ..."

That's hilarious.

No no. It's really real. It's a multi gabillion dollar industry. Big pharma and all that!