Being saved

[savagewind]

I think I am hearing from a certain ecclesia* that to obey God is to love God and to love God is to be saved. But if that is true then what Jesus said would not make sense to me.

This: whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. (Matthew 16:25)

When being saved is linked to a person's own love for God then to obey and to love God is to want to be saved.

Obedience = love = salvation.

John 12:25
Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

I am loving my life along with my love for God

They are making a person's love for God the way to salvation.

* religious is the right modern word but certain people won't accept they are

 

[Windwalker]

I think I am hearing from a certain ecclesia* that to obey God is to love God and to love God is to be saved. But if that is true then what Jesus said would not make sense to me.

This: whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. (Matthew 16:25)

When being saved is linked to a person's own love for God then to obey and to love God is to want to be saved.

Obedience = love = salvation.

John 12:25
Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

I am loving my life along with my love for God

They are making a person's love for God the way to salvation.

* religious is the right modern word but certain people won't accept they are

What I hear you saying is that if you are seeking for personal gain you are not seeking or seeing God, you are seeing yourself. And this is true for those who seek salvation for personal gain. If it is about "God save me from going to hell. I'll be good and do everything you say!", that that is not about God, it is about them loving their life and trying to get the skin saved. The emphasis is wrong, and the result is in fact not knowing salvation. The result is not following God at all, but simply conforming to rules for self-preservation. Correct? If so, I agree.

 

[allfoak]

I think I am hearing from a certain ecclesia* that to obey God is to love God and to love God is to be saved. But if that is true then what Jesus said would not make sense to me.

This: whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. (Matthew 16:25)

When being saved is linked to a person's own love for God then to obey and to love God is to want to be saved.

Obedience = love = salvation.

John 12:25
Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

I am loving my life along with my love for God

They are making a person's love for God the way to salvation.

* religious is the right modern word but certain people won't accept they are

Just be thankful for that which is.
There is no "obedience" for those who are thankful.
The only obedience is to be in harmony with that which is already One.
The way to do this is to be thankful for all things.
I this dedication comes the understanding of what it means to lose one's life to find it.
In this dedication is salvation found.

 

[b.finton]

This: whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. (Matthew 16:25)

Just as in the first Adam all men die, so in the second Adam shall all be made alive.

Acknowledging the spirals of fault, accepting the cross, acknowledging its significance and inevitability, then following, then entering, then joining, then knowing all as One, face upon face? Which of these points may be called "salvation" at the expense of another? They are as stations of the cross.

Where you go and what you do and what you make of it all is not in your hands. You learn the truth of this in joy as you bear your personal cross through the stations of your natural life: parting the hoof-- walking consciously upon both levels of The Path; and chewing the cud-- weighing your experiences in what you understand of the Spirit.

All things are lawful, but all things edify not.
All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.
All things are lawful, but we are not to be brought under the power of any.

We are willing to lay down our lives that others might find life and live. No man takes our lives from us. Our lives are in the hands of the Father.

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