Being true to yourself

[jasonwill2]

Hmm... Seems like that's what Xy does...

I disagree. I say there is no cancer. We have fooled ourselves into believing that there is a cancer, and then we invent these intricate dances that end up taking us away from our true nature, in order to avoid what isn't there to begin with.

I was saying there was no cancer, which is why I put the words in quotes... of course there is no cancer, which is why I referred to it as "cancer". Christians call many things "sins" that are really just normal behaviors, for example.

Really? Most people consider and know that cancer destroying their body is a bad thing and that certain things are bad. "Inappropriate manifestations" are still wrong. Things which are wrong are not right and are therefore not good, but bad. Playing word games doesn't change reality.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5;20

When someones says "but the "cancer" is..." with quotations around a word like that, they are refering to the same thing you did, but are making it clear that they don't agree on what you are calling it.

I was implying that there is no cancer, and that the thing you call a cancer is just how it is supposed to be.

 

[Thief]

But the "cancer" is what we are! there is no "sin" and no "fall", we are what we are! the corruptions and malfunctions are not inherently bad, it's just what we are manifesting in inappropriate ways.

And you suggest we accept our inappropriate ways?

Back to my post about improvement and discipline....

 

[jasonwill2]

And you suggest we accept our inappropriate ways?

Back to my post about improvement and discipline....

I cannot understate how angry I am that people are not taking the time to fully read what I am trying to say. I was clearly disagreeing with her position of there even being a "cancer". I made it quite clear all over this topic what it is:

Yes, we accept that we do inappropriate things, and work to eliminate the behaviours (through rechanneling the emotions), but that can only be done once we accept and acknowledge the fact that they happen. Then we must embrace ourselves... this does not mean embracing the undesirable behaviors as they are not "truly" part of our nature but are corruptions of it... in this sense to embrace yourself is to embrace your nature BUT also work to deal with the parts of your nature that hold the rest of your nature back...

for example if part of my nature is to yell when I am angry, that is not good in most cases. So say I am working at my job and embrace my tendency to yell when angry... that would hold back the rest of my nature that wants to make money, eat, and have friends.. but my job is hard and that makes me angry.

So what do I do? I learn ways to cope with it and then turn that energy into a constructive force to improve my productivity at work. THAT is an example of embracing yourself and being true to yourself, not letting small parts of your nature hold back your larger nature from your happiness. And all the while, you might learn to value yourself.

THAT is being true to yourself.

 

[InChrist]

I was saying there was no cancer, which is why I put the words in quotes... of course there is no cancer, which is why I referred to it as "cancer". Christians call many things "sins" that are really just normal behaviors, for example.




When someones says "but the "cancer" is..." with quotations around a word like that, they are refering to the same thing you did, but are making it clear that they don't agree on what you are calling it.

I was implying that there is no cancer, and that the thing you call a cancer is just how it is supposed to be.

Either you just keep playing word games or you really do believe delusional lies because some things are not normal or acceptable.

 

[InChrist]

I cannot understate how angry I am that people are not taking the time to fully read what I am trying to say. I was clearly disagreeing with her position of there even being a "cancer". I made it quite clear all over this topic what it is:

Yes, we accept that we do inappropriate things, and work to eliminate the behaviours (through rechanneling the emotions), but that can only be done once we accept and acknowledge the fact that they happen. Then we must embrace ourselves... this does not mean embracing the undesirable behaviors as they are not "truly" part of our nature but are corruptions of it... in this sense to embrace yourself is to embrace your nature BUT also work to deal with the parts of your nature that hold the rest of your nature back...

for example if part of my nature is to yell when I am angry, that is not good in most cases. So say I am working at my job and embrace my tendency to yell when angry... that would hold back the rest of my nature that wants to make money, eat, and have friends.. but my job is hard and that makes me angry.

So what do I do? I learn ways to cope with it and then turn that energy into a constructive force to improve my productivity at work. THAT is an example of embracing yourself and being true to yourself, not letting small parts of your nature hold back your larger nature from your happiness. And all the while, you might learn to value yourself.

THAT is being true to yourself.

Maybe it is a matter of semantics. The scriptures call being true to yourself...honesty and admitting your shortcomings or sins. If one does not honestly face these things about themselves then there is no hope of change.

 

[jasonwill2]

Either you just keep playing word games or you really do believe delusional lies because some things are not normal or acceptable.

And you are refusing to read what I say. I clear as day said that some behaviors work against our greater nature, and that they must be dealt with by channeling our emotions and desires. In other words, pragmatically working WITH our nature and not against it.

Don't you get it? It's not the emotions, feelings, or desires that are bad, it's how we act on them sometimes... we just need to learn how to use them for good.

There is no light! there is no dark! there is only what we are! we can use the same human nature for good, or for bad. we are neutral, gray. not good or evil, but manifesting as both based on how we react within the confines of our nature.

The ultimate test from Lord Satan! the test of learning to control how we behave, and how to channel our desires, instincts, and emotions that make us fail into something that will make us successes!

 

[jasonwill2]

Maybe it is a matter of semantics. The scriptures call being true to yourself...honesty and admitting your shortcomings or sins. If one does not honestly face these things about themselves then there is no hope of change.

no sin no sin, just denial of self, being in denial of yourself, the only "sin" other than trying to kill god....


We are here to learn and grow, not to confess "sins" of which we have no choice to commit.

my lust is not sin, my hate is not sin, my anger is not sin, my love is not sin, my compassion is not sin, my expressionism is not sin, my fear is not sin... they are all part of me, my temperment and personality is not sin...it's what I am and what I am can do many things, both good and bad. There is no evil were there is no harm to those unprovoked.

I explore the deepest reaches of my mind, reach beyond the abyss to where I find Satan, and THERE I find a mirror, and in it, I see myself.... this animal and heart of darkness.. and it beats with the blood that is my life, my vitality....

And I realize... I am what I am: an animal made in the image of my Lord Satan from whom Leviathan has crafted us all!

Spoiler: why im talking all poetically and what-not

I think I'm hitting a manic phase, could of been induced by the lack of sleep and music I'm listening too, then again I am about the time I would be manic anyway regardless

 

[sojourner]

I cannot understate how angry I am that people are not taking the time to fully read what I am trying to say.

Perhaps if we built a large, wooden badger...

 

[InChrist]

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Don't you get it? It's not the emotions, feelings, or desires that are bad, it's how we act on them sometimes... we just need to learn how to use them for good.

The Bible does not say that emotions, feelings, or desires are wrong. It says that the actions which proceed from these emotions, feelings and desires can be right or wrong. How is that different from what you are saying?

 

[InChrist]

Take anger for example which you say is an issue you deal with...

What does the Bible say about anger?

“Anger is not always sin. There is a type of anger of which the Bible approves, often called “righteous indignation.” God is angry (Psalm 7:11; Mark 3:5), and believers are commanded to be angry (Ephesians 4:26). Two Greek words are used in the New Testament for our English word “anger.” One means “passion, energy” and the other means “agitated, boiling.” Biblically, anger is God-given energy intended to help us solve problems.”

“Anger turns to sin when it is selfishly motivated (James 1:20), when God’s goal is distorted (1 Corinthians 10:31), or when anger is allowed to linger (Ephesians 4:26-27). Instead of using the energy generated by anger to attack the problem at hand, it is the person who is attacked. Ephesians 4:15-19 says we are to speak the truth in love and use our words to build others up, not allow rotten or destructive words to pour from our lips. Unfortunately, this poisonous speech is a common characteristic of fallen man (Romans 3:13-14). Anger becomes sin when it is allowed to boil over without restraint, resulting in a scenario in which hurt is multiplied (Proverbs 29:11), leaving devastation in its wake, often with irreparable consequences. Anger also becomes sin when the angry one refuses to be pacified, holds a grudge, or keeps it all inside (Ephesians 4:26-27). This can cause depression and irritability over little things, often things unrelated to the underlying problem.”

What does the Bible say about anger?

 

[jasonwill2]

The Bible does not say that emotions, feelings, or desires are wrong. It says that the actions which proceed from these emotions, feelings and desires can be right or wrong. How is that different from what you are saying?

Nonsense.

1 John 4:20

If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Mathew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.



Clearly these emotions are, according to your Bible, sins. This is why your religion is unhealthy.

 

[jasonwill2]

Take anger for example which you say is an issue you deal with...

What does the Bible say about anger?

“Anger is not always sin. There is a type of anger of which the Bible approves, often called “righteous indignation.” God is angry (Psalm 7:11; Mark 3:5), and believers are commanded to be angry (Ephesians 4:26). Two Greek words are used in the New Testament for our English word “anger.” One means “passion, energy” and the other means “agitated, boiling.” Biblically, anger is God-given energy intended to help us solve problems.”

“Anger turns to sin when it is selfishly motivated (James 1:20), when God’s goal is distorted (1 Corinthians 10:31), or when anger is allowed to linger (Ephesians 4:26-27). Instead of using the energy generated by anger to attack the problem at hand, it is the person who is attacked. Ephesians 4:15-19 says we are to speak the truth in love and use our words to build others up, not allow rotten or destructive words to pour from our lips. Unfortunately, this poisonous speech is a common characteristic of fallen man (Romans 3:13-14). Anger becomes sin when it is allowed to boil over without restraint, resulting in a scenario in which hurt is multiplied (Proverbs 29:11), leaving devastation in its wake, often with irreparable consequences. Anger also becomes sin when the angry one refuses to be pacified, holds a grudge, or keeps it all inside (Ephesians 4:26-27). This can cause depression and irritability over little things, often things unrelated to the underlying problem.”

What does the Bible say about anger?

I am rage incarnate... a gift from Ha-Satan that I must master, or will consume me in it's fiery glory... but oh the rewards are so great! and the rush so powerful!

 

[Thief]

I cannot understate how angry I am that people are not taking the time to fully read what I am trying to say. I was clearly disagreeing with her position of there even being a "cancer". I made it quite clear all over this topic what it is:

Yes, we accept that we do inappropriate things, and work to eliminate the behaviours (through rechanneling the emotions), but that can only be done once we accept and acknowledge the fact that they happen. Then we must embrace ourselves... this does not mean embracing the undesirable behaviors as they are not "truly" part of our nature but are corruptions of it... in this sense to embrace yourself is to embrace your nature BUT also work to deal with the parts of your nature that hold the rest of your nature back...

for example if part of my nature is to yell when I am angry, that is not good in most cases. So say I am working at my job and embrace my tendency to yell when angry... that would hold back the rest of my nature that wants to make money, eat, and have friends.. but my job is hard and that makes me angry.

So what do I do? I learn ways to cope with it and then turn that energy into a constructive force to improve my productivity at work. THAT is an example of embracing yourself and being true to yourself, not letting small parts of your nature hold back your larger nature from your happiness. And all the while, you might learn to value yourself.

THAT is being true to yourself.

I get it...
But you're giving credit to someone other than the Creator.

Even if you succeed in becoming a better person....the effort you make denies the Creator as you perform this effort in the name of someone else.

I understand your expression.

So perhaps you could explain how such effort is valid, when delivered in the name of someone known for the act of deception?

 

[InChrist]

Nonsense.

1 John 4:20

If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Mathew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.



Clearly these emotions are, according to your Bible, sins. This is why your religion is unhealthy.

Theses examples are inappropriate manifestations of legitimate emotions which God gave to be expressed properly. Hate should be expressed toward evil, not one's brother. Sexual desire or lust toward a woman one does not have care or commitment to is defrauding her person and looking at her as only an object for one's one selfish pleasure.

 

[jasonwill2]

I get it...
But you're giving credit to someone other than the Creator.

Even if you succeed in becoming a better person....the effort you make denies the Creator as you perform this effort in the name of someone else.

I understand your expression.

So perhaps you could explain how such effort is valid, when delivered in the name of someone known for the act of deception?

Satan is part of god... he is truth and life personified.

He is not deception, the deception is that a human could be so presumptuous as to think that GOD HIMSELF would hand the human race a book with all the answers... there are thousands if not millions or perhaps billions of planets with life... surely with hundreds of thousands of them with intelligent life that can read... why would of all of them would God himself base himself around our one species and give us a book detailing the answers?

The Universe is big, and Satan gives no answers... he makes us try to figure them out. It is in his nature to test his creations. The becoming a better person part is like a struggle for survival in many ways... it's a thing to over come, a challenge, because when we get there, we appreciate it so much more.

 

[InChrist]

I am rage incarnate... a gift from Ha-Satan that I must master, or will consume me in it's fiery glory... but oh the rewards are so great! and the rush so powerful!

It will consume you because it is more powerful than you are and you are indulging it.

 

[Thief]

Satan is part of god... he is truth and life personified.

He is not deception, the deception is that a human could be so presumptuous as to think that GOD HIMSELF would hand the human race a book with all the answers... there are thousands if not millions or perhaps billions of planets with life... surely with hundreds of thousands of them with intelligent life that can read... why would of all of them would God himself base himself around our one species and give us a book detailing the answers?

The Universe is big, and Satan gives no answers... he makes us try to figure them out. It is in his nature to test his creations. The becoming a better person part is like a struggle for survival in many ways... it's a thing to over come, a challenge, because when we get there, we appreciate it so much more.

In my belief there is only one Creator.
This ability held by one, is the cause of consistency in our reality.
There is but one universe....'one word'.

And I don't see God handing out answers.
I perceive a hands off....stand back and watch... technique.
We find the answers for ourselves....regardless of what we chase after.

 

[InChrist]

Satan is part of god... he is truth and life personified.

He is not deception, the deception is that a human could be so presumptuous as to think that GOD HIMSELF would hand the human race a book with all the answers... there are thousands if not millions or perhaps billions of planets with life... surely with hundreds of thousands of them with intelligent life that can read... why would of all of them would God himself base himself around our one species and give us a book detailing the answers?

Satan is a murderer seeking whom he can destroy, a liar and you believe him.

God Himself focuses His attention upon us and gives us answers because we are His creation whom He loves.

 

[jasonwill2]

It will consume you because it is more powerful than you are and you are indulging it.

Then so be it! If I am weak and cannot handle my own emotions in the end, I will die and be stamped out like I should! Glory to Satan! Glory to Leviathan!

But be that as it may, how can I be more powerful than myself??? How can my own rage be more powerful than me? My rage is only part of me, not the entire thing. How can a part be greater than the sum?

This is beyond indulgence, this is embracing who I am in masterful artistic expressions! The feeling of the beat, the hearing of the melody, and the vocalization of the words praising our Lord! The rage is there.. for all the wrongs I have had to endure, but in art and my passion it finds itself a place, to be my motivation for expression, feeling alive, and for the things I create (that are not actually violent).

In my belief there is only one Creator.
This ability held by one, is the cause of consistency in our reality.
There is but one universe....'one word'.

And I don't see God handing out answers.
I perceive a hands off....stand back and watch... technique.
We find the answers for ourselves....regardless of what we chase after.

Then you have no basis for calling Satan the devil? Or you are just saying god can't manifest in many ways? I'm quasi-pantheistic... to me God and Satan are like wave and particle.

Satan is a murderer seeking whom he can destroy, a liar and you believe him.

God Himself focuses His attention upon us and gives us answers because we are His creation whom He loves.

LOL. You provide not an argument to my posts, but instead hand out personal insults to my Lord and God, who is part of me? As I am part of him? You have no logical basis for saying that... you know not what Satan is. Your ideas are purely Christian and are neither true to reality or the actual meaning of the word Satan.

 

[InChrist]

But be that as it may, how can I be more powerful than myself??? How can my own rage be more powerful than me? My rage is only part of me, not the entire thing. How can a part be greater than the sum?

Your rage is not only a part of you it is being magnified and empowered by Satan and he is more powerful than you. He will use it as a weapon to destroy you.