Being true to yourself

[jasonwill2]

Your rage is not only a part of you it is being magnified and empowered by Satan and he is more powerful than you. He will use it as a weapon to destroy you.

This is my spirit:

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OTEP I, Alone - YouTube
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If my Lord Satan seeks to consume me, then I shall be food for the building of something greater than myself, but that is not what Satan has shown me...

I shall become great, overcome myself, break free, and fully be true to myself. I will to fully embrace myself, love myself, and have control. And from there that emotion, that rage, will be so fully perfect in it's concentration. It is at that moment I become truly terrible, truly dangerous to my foes... and loving to my close ones.

One who is a savage like I am now can only go on frenzies. But one who is mastered can be calculating. My rage is like rampaging water, and my realized nature like damns that can instantanously appear and disappear... it is utter control and invoking of emotions as desired... complete control.

This can only be done through experimentation, exploration, and practice. But I am missing the key revelation that strikes at stopping it from when I do not want it... such is the life of someone such as me, so much misery and pain to overcome.

But the rewards? The rewards are great, so much more so given the challenges I must over-come within myself by using MYSELF as the source, and therefore Satan as he is the Vessel and the Mirror.

So through myself, which is part of Satan as I am part of him, I shall overcome myself by learning to embrace my TRUE self, my realized self, the self that was before held back by my lack of control, awareness, and direction.

And Satan does not magnify my emotion, MUSIC does. I had this rage and emotion when I was still a Christian... it has always been there since certain events transpired in my life, and certain things were realized...
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[Thief]

This is my spirit:

[youtube]jYoddH1Q2UA[/youtube]
OTEP I, Alone - YouTube
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If my Lord Satan seeks to consume me, then I shall be food for the building of something greater than myself, but that is not what Satan has shown me...

I shall become great, overcome myself, break free, and fully be true to myself. I will to fully embrace myself, love myself, and have control. And from there that emotion, that rage, will be so fully perfect in it's concentration. It is at that moment I become truly terrible, truly dangerous to my foes... and loving to my close ones.

One who is a savage like I am now can only go on frenzies. But one who is mastered can be calculating. My rage is like rampaging water, and my realized nature like damns that can instantanously appear and disappear... it is utter control and invoking of emotions as desired... complete control.

This can only be done through experimentation, exploration, and practice. But I am missing the key revelation that strikes at stopping it from when I do not want it... such is the life of someone such as me, so much misery and pain to overcome.

But the rewards? The rewards are great, so much more so given the challenges I must over-come within myself by using MYSELF as the source, and therefore Satan as he is the Vessel and the Mirror.

So through myself, which is part of Satan as I am part of him, I shall overcome myself by learning to embrace my TRUE self, my realized self, the self that was before held back by my lack of control, awareness, and direction.

And Satan does not magnify my emotion, MUSIC does. I had this rage and emotion when I was still a Christian... it has always been there since certain events transpired in my life, and certain things were realized...
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So at point in your existence you will have control of yourself?

At what point do you lose that control?
Won't your god come to claim what belongs to him?

 

[jasonwill2]

So at point in your existence you will have control of yourself?

At what point do you lose that control?
Won't your god come to claim what belongs to him?

I have no idea what you mean... why would I lose control? And what the hell would Satan come back that "belongs" to him? That doesn't make any sense. Satan didn't "give" me anything... and he's not the kind to "give then take away".

 

[sojourner]

I am rage incarnate

Wait! I thought Revoltingest was the Seething Cauldron of Rage...
He's certainly baconyer than you!

 

[Thief]

I have no idea what you mean... why would I lose control? And what the hell would Satan come back that "belongs" to him? That doesn't make any sense. Satan didn't "give" me anything... and he's not the kind to "give then take away".

Here in this life we say and do as we please...for the most part.
Death takes all of it away.

The Creator gave you life.
You do with it as you please....for the most part.

But there does seem some choice about who you chase after.
Will that someone be standing over you as you surrender your last breath?

 

[jasonwill2]

Wait! I thought Revoltingest was the Seething Cauldron of Rage...
He's certainly baconyer than you!

He may be, I do not think I have met him. However, sometimes I identify myself as rage incarnate for poetic flare.

Here in this life we say and do as we please...for the most part.
Death takes all of it away.

The Creator gave you life.
You do with it as you please....for the most part.

But there does seem some choice about who you chase after.
Will that someone be standing over you as you surrender your last breath?

Well hopefully my loved ones. But you obviously do not see death the same way I do. I see death as a necessary function of a finite Universe... but also one can survive death should their desire be strong enough. The soul fights and fights to cling to the spirit, and perhaps the soul will survive the death of the body if it clenches enough to to the spirit... if it does, the person essentially survives death as demon or god. But that is rather rare. Most souls break apart in this struggle and just turn into a bunch of wisps... from dust to dust, eh? Only this is spiritual bits of dust, so to speak.

 

[InChrist]

If my Lord Satan seeks to consume me, then I shall be food for the building of something greater than myself, but that is not what Satan has shown me...

I shall become great, overcome myself, break free, and fully be true to myself. I will to fully embrace myself, love myself, and have control. And from there that emotion, that rage, will be so fully perfect in it's concentration. It is at that moment I become truly terrible, truly dangerous to my foes... and loving to my close ones.

One who is a savage like I am now can only go on frenzies. But one who is mastered can be calculating. My rage is like rampaging water, and my realized nature like damns that can instantanously appear and disappear... it is utter control and invoking of emotions as desired... complete control.

This can only be done through experimentation, exploration, and practice. But I am missing the key revelation that strikes at stopping it from when I do not want it... such is the life of someone such as me, so much misery and pain to overcome.

But the rewards? The rewards are great, so much more so given the challenges I must over-come within myself by using MYSELF as the source, and therefore Satan as he is the Vessel and the Mirror.

So through myself, which is part of Satan as I am part of him, I shall overcome myself by learning to embrace my TRUE self, my realized self, the self that was before held back by my lack of control, awareness, and direction.

And Satan does not magnify my emotion, MUSIC does. I had this rage and emotion when I was still a Christian... it has always been there since certain events transpired in my life, and certain things were realized...
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If Satan owns you, you will never be great, overcome, break free or gain any rewards. Instead you will at some point see the blatant evil of Satan and realize he will never cease to torment you. If you realize this before your physical life is ended in death, there may be hope. If not, you will be totally ALONE, existing with profound loneliness and despair, and facing demonic torment forever. You will be a prisoner; it will not be great or empowering in the least.

Music can be a powerful force to inspire or degrade and Satan is not ignorant of this or inefficient in using it to impact and manipulate human beings to serve his evil ends.

 

[jasonwill2]

If Satan owns you, you will never be great, overcome, break free or gain any rewards. Instead you will at some point see the blatant evil of Satan and realize he will never cease to torment you. If you realize this before your physical life is ended in death, there may be hope. If not, you will be totally ALONE, existing with profound loneliness and despair, and facing demonic torment forever. You will be a prisoner; it will not be great or empowering in the least.

Music can be a powerful force to inspire or degrade and Satan is not ignorant of this or inefficient in using it to impact and manipulate human beings to serve his evil ends.

As I opened this and as I type darkened clouds enshroud the moon completely in real life, more and more as they gather infront of it... a symbol from Satan that light is fading!

And I thought demons didn't torture people in your beliefs, that they will burn too?

But if I burn bring on the fire! YES! Toruture! I embody evil and degeneracy! Can't you see how giddy and evil you make me feel?! Like fuel for the fire! Yes! I will burn oh I get so excited knowing I worship evil! Yes! Your responses fuel my symbolism, and through that I am finding that to break my magical barriers I need to embrace the symbolism! yes!

 

[InChrist]

As I opened this and as I type darkened clouds enshroud the moon completely in real life, more and more as they gather infront of it... a symbol from Satan that light is fading!

And I thought demons didn't torture people in your beliefs, that they will burn too?

But if I burn bring on the fire! YES! Toruture! I embody evil and degeneracy! Can't you see how giddy and evil you make me feel?! Like fuel for the fire! Yes! I will burn oh I get so excited knowing I worship evil! Yes! Your responses fuel my symbolism, and through that I am finding that to break my magical barriers I need to embrace the symbolism! yes!

Is William gone?

 

[jasonwill2]

Is William gone?

Took me a while to realize what you meant.

For those who don't know, my name jasonwill2 means "Jason William two" as in my two contrasting personas and sides of my ego....

Anyway...

Jason and William are one, you cannot separate my from my higher self/the mirror.

Also I was too melodramatic... the clouds keep drifting in front of and out from in front of the moon...but it did look quite ominous from my view outside here on the porch!

Also apparently I learned today that I'm addicted to adrenaline rushes, which explains why I go into manic frenzies after getting pumped up listening to music. Also hear adrenaline makes mania worse.

speaking of rage and overcoming myself, it's quite hard as this is how I feel about rage and pain:

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Three Days Grace - Pain - YouTube


This has degenerated into an outlet for my self-expression, but it is inevitable as THIS IS part of what it means to embrace myself! This is the kind of rambling to myself and music listening I do ON A DAILY BASIS.

I don't think people understand though, it's more than madness, it's poetry. My expression provides this outlet for energies that would otherwise destroy me... and through it, perhaps one day I will create great works of art!

That is what it is to embrace yourself and not deny it!

Hail to our Lord Satan.
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[jasonwill2]

You know, if you want a serious discussion and want to stop trying to convert me, then go ahead.

I called you out earlier InChrist on just making accusations against Satan (which means accuser actually) instead of addressing my argument.

Actually, you do not need Satan to embrace yourself in the way I described, you just need a higher power that loves you for what you are does not try to change your fundamental nature but works with it pragmatically. That can be Buddhism, LHP, or even some forms of Liberal Christianity. It doesn't have to be Satanism, but it can be.

Actually you don't need a higher power, you just need to be the [higher/inner] power to self-actualize your way to overcoming it.

Perhaps this doesn't ring for you, but it does for me. I'm bipolar, I can't fix it, I can't get rid of it. I just need to live with it. Perhaps with my case that embracing of myself is taken to the extreme due to my illness? I know not, but if I learn to do this all right, I can essentially turn myself into a vessel of extremely powerful expression when I become skilled enough with art by using the mania and my own self-control to direct it roughly for those means... I can't tell you the wonderful and colorful flight of ideas and thoughts that Mania gives... some of the most artistic and beautiful things I have ever written have been when Manic. So this to me is a safe outlet for something that might otherwise destroy me.

But that is just one example, people can overcome themselves by learning to accept themselves fully and embrace their nature as a whole. If you can't fully love yourself, every part of you, why is life worth living? Sure, some behaviors we may not like, but our behaviors are not WHO WE ARE, they are HOW WE MANIFEST. Anger for example as you said need not be destructive.. that is one manifestation of it.. it can also be constructive motivation. Likewise embracing the anger teaches us to control it, so that it manifests in good and healthy ways.

Religions that just try to ignore or eliminate our nature are wrong... we need to embrace our nature so that we can control it, not try to get rid of something integral to our very existence.

 

[InChrist]

You know, if you want a serious discussion and want to stop trying to convert me, then go ahead.

I called you out earlier InChrist on just making accusations against Satan (which means accuser actually) instead of addressing my argument.

Actually, you do not need Satan to embrace yourself in the way I described, you just need a higher power that loves you for what you are does not try to change your fundamental nature but works with it pragmatically. That can be Buddhism, LHP, or even some forms of Liberal Christianity. It doesn't have to be Satanism, but it can be.

Actually you don't need a higher power, you just need to be the [higher/inner] power to self-actualize your way to overcoming it.

Perhaps this doesn't ring for you, but it does for me. I'm bipolar, I can't fix it, I can't get rid of it. I just need to live with it. Perhaps with my case that embracing of myself is taken to the extreme due to my illness? I know not, but if I learn to do this all right, I can essentially turn myself into a vessel of extremely powerful expression when I become skilled enough with art by using the mania and my own self-control to direct it roughly for those means... I can't tell you the wonderful and colorful flight of ideas and thoughts that Mania gives... some of the most artistic and beautiful things I have ever written have been when Manic. So this to me is a safe outlet for something that might otherwise destroy me.

But that is just one example, people can overcome themselves by learning to accept themselves fully and embrace their nature as a whole. If you can't fully love yourself, every part of you, why is life worth living? Sure, some behaviors we may not like, but our behaviors are not WHO WE ARE, they are HOW WE MANIFEST. Anger for example as you said need not be destructive.. that is one manifestation of it.. it can also be constructive motivation. Likewise embracing the anger teaches us to control it, so that it manifests in good and healthy ways.

Religions that just try to ignore or eliminate our nature are wrong... we need to embrace our nature so that we can control it, not try to get rid of something integral to our very existence.

I am very serious when I share my perspective concerning Satan. I don’t want to convert you. Converting is in reference to joining or accepting a religion and I’m not into religion. If you think I am trying to get you love and trust Jesus Christ like I do, that is impossible because love and trust are voluntary choices between those involved. I can’t make you love anyone, including Jesus. I can discuss things with you but only from my perspective and what I have seen to be true. I believe truth is reliable while the pragmatic approach can be deceptive.

Do you see a difference between embracing our nature, as you say, and acknowledging our nature? Or does that mean about the same thing?

You don't need to answer right away or at all if you don't feel like it. I have to get offline now, anyway.

 

[jasonwill2]

I am very serious when I share my perspective concerning Satan. I don’t want to convert you. Converting is in reference to joining or accepting a religion and I’m not into religion. If you think I am trying to get you love and trust Jesus Christ like I do, that is impossible because love and trust are voluntary choices between those involved. I can’t make you love anyone, including Jesus. I can discuss things with you but only from my perspective and what I have seen to be true. I believe truth is reliable while the pragmatic approach can be deceptive.

Do you see a difference between embracing our nature, as you say, and acknowledging our nature? Or does that mean about the same thing?

You don't need to answer right away or at all if you don't feel like it. I have to get offline now, anyway.

Bull, stop playing the label game with religion and kindly get yourself out of my topic if you continue to threaten me with hell or get us into another tirade about Satan, who isn't even central to the concept I am presenting. Though he can be used as a tool for it if one is a Satanist, one not need be a Satanist or even be religious to use this form of self actualization. I tried a different tactic for once after a while but apparently it didn't dissuade you, which I should of realized. (though I admit I was pretty much manic for most of what I was saying).

Accepting our nature and embracing it, there is a huge amount of overlap, enough to essentially say that it's the same thing. You can't embrace what you don't accept. It's the nature we embrace though, not the negative behaviors. The behaviors are not the nature, they are just ways that our nature manifests in our actions. It's not the nature that's the problem, just the behaviors or self-destructive habits.

 

[Polymorphic Grass]

why not u worship JESUS satan is evil afterall that why he went to hell you know

 

[jasonwill2]

why not u worship JESUS satan is evil afterall that why he went to hell you know

Make an actual argument for once people.

 

[Polymorphic Grass]

it argument it true satan lucifer is evil. evil is in devil but with d he disobey god because he want to burn in hell and trick all

 

[InChrist]

Bull, stop playing the label game with religion and kindly get yourself out of my topic if you continue to threaten me with hell or get us into another tirade about Satan, who isn't even central to the concept I am presenting. Though he can be used as a tool for it if one is a Satanist, one not need be a Satanist or even be religious to use this form of self actualization. I tried a different tactic for once after a while but apparently it didn't dissuade you, which I should of realized. (though I admit I was pretty much manic for most of what I was saying).

Accepting our nature and embracing it, there is a huge amount of overlap, enough to essentially say that it's the same thing. You can't embrace what you don't accept. It's the nature we embrace though, not the negative behaviors. The behaviors are not the nature, they are just ways that our nature manifests in our actions. It's not the nature that's the problem, just the behaviors or self-destructive habits.

I don’t threaten and I’m not threatening you with anything, As far as I know this is the religious debate section, not the Satanist or LHP DIR so it’s not as if I’m not allowed to express my view. Besides that, you are the one who regularly seems to bring up Satan as a central point.

I don’t know what you are referring to about “trying a different tactic” to dissuade me. If you don’t want to converse with me or you don’t want to hear or think about thoughts different than your own you could just ask or say so.

How do you know that the behaviors or self-destructive habits are not connected to our nature or that it isn’t the nature that is the problem? The scriptures say that the sinful nature produces negative or destructive behavior and that is the problem. The solution is a new nature which is free to change and choose behaviors that benefit self and others. What do you find wrong with such a concept?



Jesus loves you…truly loves you.

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10

 

[jasonwill2]

it argument it true satan lucifer is evil. evil is in devil but with d he disobey god because he want to burn in hell and trick all

The entire point of this topic is not Satan though, it's just a side-note that Satanism is one religion that this can work for, and as it is my religion I presented it in that form. One does not need to even be religious to do what I described, though it might make them spiritual in a sense.

Also Satan isn't Lucifer, and there is nothing to support that, but that is a different debate.

I don’t threaten and I’m not threatening you with anything, As far as I know this is the religious debate section, not the Satanist or LHP DIR so it’s not as if I’m not allowed to express my view. Besides that, you are the one who regularly seems to bring up Satan as a central point.

I don’t know what you are referring to about “trying a different tactic” to dissuade me. If you don’t want to converse with me or you don’t want to hear or think about thoughts different than your own you could just ask or say so.

How do you know that the behaviors or self-destructive habits are not connected to our nature or that it isn’t the nature that is the problem? The scriptures say that the sinful nature produces negative or destructive behavior and that is the problem. The solution is a new nature which is free to change and choose behaviors that benefit self and others. What do you find wrong with such a concept?



Jesus loves you…truly loves you.

In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:10

No, what I was referring to was all this talk of 'if you don't realize Satan is evil you will be tortured in hell' which you said quite clearly at one point and the side-tracting of missing the main point, Satan was mentioned ONCE in the OP and need not actually be part of embracing yourself. Arguing that Satan is a destroyer and evil completely derails the main conversation about self-actualization.

Also as far as a "new nature", I don't see how that is possible, because to get rid of the "sin" or "flesh" would require we die physically... also I already addressed that a religion that denies who we are and tries to replace it is unhealthy because it works against every fiber of the person's being, it's just not practical.

 

[Thief]

The entire point of this topic is not Satan though, it's just a side-note that Satanism is one religion that this can work for, and as it is my religion I presented it in that form. One does not need to even be religious to do what I described, though it might make them spiritual in a sense.

Also Satan isn't Lucifer, and there is nothing to support that, but that is a different debate.



No, what I was referring to was all this talk of 'if you don't realize Satan is evil you will be tortured in hell' which you said quite clearly at one point and the side-tracting of missing the main point, Satan was mentioned ONCE in the OP and need not actually be part of embracing yourself. Arguing that Satan is a destroyer and evil completely derails the main conversation about self-actualization.

Also as far as a "new nature", I don't see how that is possible, because to get rid of the "sin" or "flesh" would require we die physically... also I already addressed that a religion that denies who we are and tries to replace it is unhealthy because it works against every fiber of the person's being, it's just not practical.

So I see the tendency to chase after whatever you feel like doing.

Your nature?...is dual....mind and heart.
With your heart in the lead, you could easily lose the very things you chase after.

At this moment I see you're caught up in what you are doing.
Until that subsides, nothing more will achieved.

 

[waitasec]

At this moment I see you're caught up in what you are doing.
Until that subsides, nothing more will achieved.

whats the alternative?