Belief in human evolution makes people better persons

[Father Heathen]

YUP!

Denying evolution is an exercise in willful ignorance. How is making such an observation "bigoted"?

 

[firedragon]

Denying evolution is an exercise in willful ignorance. How is making such an observation "bigoted"?

Saying "wilful ignorance" generalising to any kind of n, is the definition of bigotry. The irony is projecting bigotry on others, you have shown it yourself.

If you just said ignorance that would have been better. But you said wilful ignorance. And you generalised it to an n.

Unless you have any research study that shows everyone in the whole world who ever deny evolution are "wilfully ignorant", not just "ignorant".

Go ahead. Thanks in advance.

 

[Father Heathen]

Evolution was used as an excuse not only by Nazis for racism; but in Australia to murder Aboriginals. It was used to justify racial supremacy by WW2 Japan as well. It's still used to this day as justification for many racial supremacist groups around the world.

These are just facts; love them or hate them.

That's not what evolution is. That's not how evolution works.
Biological facts aren't tarnished by the misunderstandings/misrepresentations of fools.

 

[Kenny]

Denying evolution is an exercise in willful ignorance. How is making such an observation "bigoted"?

#41

Because you sound intolerant?

 

[74x12]

That's not what evolution is. That's not how evolution works.
Biological facts aren't tarnished by the misunderstandings/misrepresentations of fools.

That's not the discussion here. We're just talking about people who believe in evolution. Are they more or less racist? Or about the same?

I say that believing in evolution tends to exacerbate racist tendencies in people. That's what eugenics is based on.

As for higher education, race, and evolution, you dont find
the Klan, or the evolution deniers lurking in
the ivory towers.

Are you sure? You should look up some old clips of Biden in his earlier days.

 

[blü 2]

I think that identifying any one belief as making someone better or worse is probably overly simplistic. A number of determining factors go into what people believe typically and saying that a single factor is all that matters is well.. silly.

I'd say in this case that's only partly correct.

Belief in evolution, as others have said, gives you a personal connection to all living things, hence not just an intellectual position but an aspect of your emotional basis, your outlook on the world, as well.

Yes, of course there's a variety of factors in play, but this one arguably has increased importance, as the finding that more anti-evolutionists are more likely to discriminate against their fellow humans suggests (though I'd be interested to know the percentages).

 

[Audie]

That's not the discussion here. We're just talking about people who believe in evolution. Are they more or less racist? Or about the same?

I say that believing in evolution tends to exacerbate racist tendencies in people. That's what eugenics is based on.

Are you sure? You should look up some old clips of Biden in his earlier days.

As long as you understand you
are being ridiculous it saves me the
tedium of detailing it.

 

[Audie]

I'd say in this case that's only partly correct.

Belief in evolution, as others have said, gives you a personal connection to all living things, hence not just an intellectual position but an aspect of your emotional basis, your outlook on the world, as well.

Yes, of course there's a variety of factors in play, but this one arguably has increased importance, as the finding that more anti-evolutionists are more likely to discriminate against their fellow humans suggests (though I'd be interested to know the percentages).

Of course evolution like chemistry is
not about "believing" and anyone
who understands it would not be caught up
in the folly of racism or eugenics.

 

[F1fan]

Belief in evolution can encourage racism. The Nazis used it as an excuse for their racism.

No, the Nazis used their extremism to use evolution as a justification for their racism. This is similar to Baptists of the Confederate South using the Bible as justification for slavery. Extremist views can allow a person and society to do horrible things.

They really thought they were the most evolved race and that they needed to cleanse the gene pool. Such ideas are certainly not exclusive to Nazis however ...

I'm glad you see atheists as equal to Christians like yourself.

 

[F1fan]

"From what you've seen", and "history".


You are comparing-
But none of history i mentioned counts,

You may be unaware that religiosity, esp
of a fundamentalist sort, is inversely correlated with education.

This is correct. When I was in college I did my psychology study on the relationship between religiosity and attitudes towards science. There was a very significant correlation between negative attitudes towards and higher religiosity, and the reverse was the same, the lower the religiosity the better the attitude towards science. I had a prediction but the data surpassed it beyond my expectation.

 

[F1fan]

This equation is a display of bigotry.

So two correlated facts is bigotry?

 

[F1fan]

Saying "wilful ignorance" generalising to any kind of n, is the definition of bigotry. The irony is projecting bigotry on others, you have shown it yourself.

If you just said ignorance that would have been better. But you said wilful ignorance. And you generalised it to an n.

Unless you have any research study that shows everyone in the whole world who ever deny evolution are "wilfully ignorant", not just "ignorant".

Go ahead. Thanks in advance.

You could have an argument here if you highlighted how many believers who reject evolution do so NOT because they made a willful choice and decision, but because they were indoctrinated by their family and religion. One of our posters admitted this in a discussion this weekend. the person still can't accept evolution even though he is aware that he was indoctrinated in a false view that was deliberately biased against evolution. Fascinating.

 

[blü 2]

Of course evolution like chemistry is
not about "believing" and anyone
who understands it would not be caught up
in the folly of racism or eugenics.

I slightly disagree. I think many more people believe that the theory of evolution is correct than have gone into it to a sufficient depth to say they understand the modern theory.

But the result is about the same.

And the eugenics notion is not entirely simple ─ a non-racist version might well be made to work in modern hands eg in the West most mongoloid pregnancies don't go to term. The difficulties are moral rather than scientific.

 

[74x12]

Of course evolution like chemistry is
not about "believing" and anyone
who understands it would not be caught up
in the folly of racism or eugenics.

This kind of thinking about "evolution" is dogmatic and reeks of religious like fervor.

 

[ppp]

This kind of thinking about "evolution" is dogmatic and reeks of religious like fervor.

You are projecting your fervor onto Audie.

 

[Audie]

I slightly disagree. I think many more people believe that the theory of evolution is correct than have gone into it to a sufficient depth to say they understand the modern theory.

But the result is about the same.

And the eugenics notion is not entirely simple ─ a non-racist version might well be made to work in modern hands eg in the West most mongoloid pregnancies don't go to term. The difficulties are moral rather than scientific.

I oversimplified,a bit

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The critique to that is that what is moral or not, is in the eye of the beholder. People rejecting evolution might consider what you consider “better”, actually. “worse”.

So, in my opinion the result of that is question begging.

Ciao

- viole

Until you get someone who comes along and insists certain morals, guided by thousands of years of philosophical ponderings and debates and epiphanies, is indeed better than lots of others. Such as the Aztecs or even much of Abraham's God. Their senses of morality are not good as, in a nut shell, they impede our natural ways that are good for us, condone the oppression of others, and have no short supply of examples of murder and genocide that's called "righteous judgment." Sure, Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh thought they were justified, but it's widely accepted they held extremist and radical positions that are improper and unsuitable for morality.
Much of the same push that put murderous marauders in prison instead of on a throne is simply needed against religion.

 

[Audie]

So two correlated facts is bigotry?

of course. Bi =2

 

[sayak83]

I looked at the site you posted and it wasn't very informative. What questions were asked, how many people, what type of people, what type of religions, what breakdown of socio/economic people per type of person et al. All are relevant question. (Unless you have a better site)

As my statics teacher said, "You can make statistics say anything you want".

But just thinking logically, if someone was religiously illiterate and his/her teacher was biased it would produce a biased person because of his lack of religious instruction. Likewise if you believed in evolution but were educationally illiterate and your mentor was bias, you would still produce biased people

Obviously if one religion espouses "Kill the infidels" and another espouses "love your enemies" you would get two different types of people even if you believed in evolution or not. And then again, if you believed in evolution and figured "You were the epitome of evolutionary process", then you could be just as biased. For that matter, an atheist could say "If you are religious, you are completely ignorant and stupid" beginning the process of bias.

So, in my thought, what you are being taught has more to do with bias that your faith or not faith and belief in evolution or not believing in evolution.

Here is the link to the paper
APA PsycNet

 

[SkepticThinker]

This kind of thinking about "evolution" is dogmatic and reeks of religious like fervor.

How so?