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Believer vs Knowers

osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Little Dragon said:
Evidence, itself, is not a human invention, it is a word used to describe something that confirms a hypothesis. For example, the background microwave radiation of the universe, is evidence, of the Big Bang (rapid inflation theory). The latter is a human invention, in that it is a testable mathematical model of reality.
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Evidence itself has limits and there are often contrary interpretations of it. A model of reality is not a full explanation of the phenomena it describes.

The Big Bang event isn't an explanation of why it happened, what came before it, nor what that actually means in the grander picture of reality. There's no intrinsic explanation for why the Big Bang occured. Inflation is said to have an ultimate beginning even if the Big Bang is not that beginning. I know scientists are working on quantum gravity to explain the Big Bang, and how that came to be.

In terms of questions regarding religion and the existence of life, and its perceived purposes, The Big Bang, and inflation does not get anywhere closer to describing that.

I know galaxy formation was thought to be well understood, and jwst confirmed otherwise.

The Big Bang is a purely physical process that can only be explained in terms of its behavior and properties. No deeper explanation can it have.

Evidence is a powerful invention used to explain purely physical processes. It cannot explain, confirm, or deny the existence of abstract properties of being.
 
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Little Dragon

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osgart said:
The Big Bang event isn't an explanation of why it happened, what came before it, nor what that actually means in the grander picture of reality.
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A metaphysical question that cannot be answered with the scientific method yet, since we have no way of looking beyond the point our universe suddenly inflated exponentially. At the point of singularity, in the theory, our laws of physics, break down. We have yet to unify quantum mechanics with gravity, and until we do. There will be many things we cannot test.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
osgart said:
Evidence itself has limits and there are often contrary interpretations of it. A model of reality is not a full explanation of the phenomena it describes.
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Indeed it isn't. Which is why ever increasing precision of measurement and observation leads to better refinement of theory.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Little Dragon said:
A metaphysical question that cannot be answered with the scientific method yet, since we have no way of looking beyond the point our universe suddenly inflated exponentially. At the point of singularity, in the theory, our laws of physics, break down. We have yet to unify quantum mechanics with gravity, and until we do. There will be many things we cannot test.
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It's quite possible that QM and gravity will never able be unified. I admire the effort.

Abstract mathematics may have limited truth value as well. Mathematics is a powerful, precise method of engineering controlling, and manipulating things for our uses. How much explanatory power does math have on metaphysical questions though? Human limit is always reduced to behavior and properties of physical phenomena? Human limits always exist with modeling actual reality.

In terms of abstract and intrinsic qualities of reality science and its demand for evidence doesn't work.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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lukethethird said:
Such as?
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Unchecked Copy Box
Jhn 5:39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Psalm 35, Isaiah 53.
 
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Little Dragon

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osgart said:
It's quite possible that QM and gravity will never able be unified. I admire the effort.
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One way or another, we will obtain a grand unified theory of everything. Even if AI +++ has to explain it to us first. Until then, we probe and measure and repeat.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Ebionite said:
But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 15:25-26

Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.
Psalms 35:19

Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of YHWH persecute them.
For without cause have they hid for me their net [in] a pit, [which] without cause they have digged for my soul.
Psalms 35:6-7

Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk.
Matthew 22:15

False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge [things] that I knew not.
Psalms 35:11

And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this [fellow] perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.
Luke 23:2
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Ooookay.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Fool said:
i understand that there are conditional things but ninguna brahman or pure consciousness still creates the light and is understood by all even if described by differences in language, or expressions of culture.
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A source for the light shines brightest.
 
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