Ben Carson wants abortion outlawed in cases of rape and incest

[columbus]

This is one definition.
Others exist.....
- It becomes a human as soon as it is viable outside the womb.
- It becomes a human as soon as it is born.
- It becomes a human after x weeks gestation. (The value of x is a subject of contention.)

Why is your definition the only valid one?

Because it is the one supported by rock solid science. Human beings begin at conception and end at death. This is as unambiguous as the earth orbiting the sun.
Tom

 

[Sand Dancer]

Have you ever heard of a human fertilized embryo that turned out to be a tapeworm or a tumor?

Are you also outraged at the number of people who eat eggs that have been fertilized by roosters?

 

[katiemygirl]

Are you also outraged at the number of people who eat eggs that have been fertilized by roosters?

I'm not outraged. I'm saddened.

I don't value chickens in
the way I do human beings.
Do you?

 

[Revoltingest]

Because it is the one supported by rock solid science. Human beings begin at conception and end at death. This is as unambiguous as the earth orbiting the sun.
Tom

What scientific works state that an egg becomes fully human (with all the attendant rights & responsibilities) at conception?

 

[columbus]

What scientific works state that an egg becomes fully human (with all the attendant rights & responsibilities) at conception?

Science has little to say about rights and responsibility. But there is no doubt that a zygote is a full human, as opposed to a tumor or a finger. In cases like that human is an adjective.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Are you also outraged at the number of people who eat eggs that have been fertilized by roosters?

Heck, I even eat full grown chickens. How is that relevant?
Tom

 

[Demonslayer]

But there is no doubt that a zygote is a full human,

A "full" human? How can two cells be considered a "full" human?

 

[columbus]

A "full" human? How can two cells be considered a "full" human?

Easy.
A zygote is one stage in a well known process that human beings all go through. This is extremely elementary science.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Science has little to say about rights and responsibility. But there is no doubt that a zygote is a full human, as opposed to a tumor or a finger. In cases like that human is an adjective.
Tom

You have no doubt.
But I don't see why the line should be drawn there, & nowhere else.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I'm not outraged. I'm saddened.

I don't value chickens in
the way I do human beings.
Do you?

Well, I think we are all God's creatures and try not to think of us as superior, although we do have a higher awareness and a larger burden to care for the earth and other living things.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Heck, I even eat full grown chickens. How is that relevant?
Tom

Just checking to see what her opinion was of the same type of thing in animals vs people. To think that an nonviable fetus and an already born human being having the same rights seems silly and not well thought out. I used to think that when I was a Christian too. I think it's par for the course in conservative denominations. They like a narrow and specific set of ideas.

 

[Demonslayer]

Easy.
A zygote is one stage in a well known process that human beings all go through. This is extremely elementary science.
Tom

I understand the science behind human development. I just think your choice of the word "full" human is silly. Is an infant a full grown adult? Why use the word "full" human? It made the comment seem agenda driven rather even though you're couching it in scientific terms.

 

[Demonslayer]

I don't value chickens in
the way I do human beings.

"I say, I say, I say, well I nevah!"

- Foghorn Leghorn

 

[columbus]

You have no doubt.
But I don't see why the line should be drawn there, & nowhere else.

Because if your opinion requires you to ignore basic facts, it is probably wrong. At least that has been my experience.
Tom

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm glad you said Roe V Wade needs better implementation. That would be a good start.

As for the day after pill, how about using birth control before getting pregnant? Wouldn't that have a HUGE effect on the number of abortions performed in this country?

Are we really so self centered that we can't be bothered to use birth control? Just think how things could change if people weren't so into self. Don't you think that would be a much better route? If a woman can have the wherewithal to take a morning after pill, how much more effort would it take to use birth control?

Sometimes birth control doesn't work. Isn't having both the morning after pill AND birth control available to everyone a good idea?

 

[Revoltingest]

Because if your opinion requires you to ignore basic facts, it is probably wrong. At least that has been my experience.
Tom

No, I see the same facts which you do.
And I note that you used the qualifier of "probably" regarding my error.
So you really don't have The Truth....just an opinion (as do I).

Btw, my opinion is......
I don't know when "human life" begins.

 

[katiemygirl]

This is one definition.
Others exist.....
- It becomes a human as soon as it is viable outside the womb.
- It becomes a human as soon as it is born.
- It becomes a human after x weeks gestation. (The value of x is a subject of contention.)

Why is your definition the only valid one?

I'd say the scientific one would be a good start.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd say the scientific one would be a good start.

Per RF Rule #37.2, you must state the definition & cite the source.
(Btw, I don't make the rules.)

 

[columbus]

Those aborted are close to God; for God knows they are innocent and is a JUST judge. Objectively speaking who cares if the potential human being lives HERE? Those aborted will be in the presence of GOD before US. They already ARE where I desire to BE when I die.

This is one of those illogical things I puzzle over.
Religious people get all up in arms over a baby going directly to heaven, with no risk of hell. Even though there is no relevant biblical scripture on the subject.
But when parents decide to destroy the only chance their progeny will ever have for life and love and happiness, because they only wanted the sex and not the well understood responsibility that sometimes goes with it, non theists tend to shrug and pretend that they don't understand basic biology.
I don't get it.
Tom

 

[katiemygirl]

What scientific works state that an egg becomes fully human (with all the attendant rights & responsibilities) at conception?

You're arguing from two points, scientific and legal. The scientific argument is irrefutable. Life begins at conception.