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Bernie Sanders-Striking while the Iron is hot.

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Here is the topic to discuss. Sorry about the length I wanted it complete.

It used to be that a king made 100,000 x what his peasants made.

The difference has gradually gotten reduced. Now the president makes $400,000/yr.

It is inevitable that it will be reduced as people can afford the same educations and so on and things become automated.

Eventually everyone will gain the same salary so we can have no money. This sounds like communism, but actually it is the result of weeding out class warfare and the gap between rich and poor.

Another difference with communism is that if you are on welfare in America you can get off of welfare, whereas in a communist country you can also but I guess it is illegal. Many take advantage of programs to get off of the safety nets.

Of course, we can delay everyone getting equal or hasten it. If we delay it, we hurt our economy on the way because there is more desperate behavior from the poor that doesn't help the good guys. If we hasten it, change hurts but that helps us reach our goal.

It is a myth that a lot of people just give in to poverty so they can be taken care of. There aren’t generations of families on welfare and people try to get off of food stamps as soon as they can. Many of them are disabled and many can’t get High School diplomas. One who has a good education knows these people are desperate, not lazy.

By the way measuring the gap between classes is subjective.

Currently under this administration the economy seems to be doing very good, but many complain that the racial gap is getting worse.

So since the right wing slows down the equality and the left wing brings it up, and since Obama is helping the economy and debatably the poor are complaining, I think Bernie Sanders would be a great candidate.

Bernie Sanders wants to help the underpaid and overworked. By definition they deserve more pay.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
An inherent problem with capitalism is that it requires a class of poor people so there can be an exclusive elitist class of wealthy that are high above everyone else. We will not solve the problem of poverty until the Golden Calf has been overthrown.
Another difference with communism is that if you are on welfare in America you can get off of welfare, whereas in a communist country you can also but I guess it is illegal. Many take advantage of programs to get off of the safety nets.
Under communism, everyone has an equal obligation to work, each contributes in ways that they can, and each receives according to their needs. There is no welfare, as those who work have their needs taken care of. And because there is limited private property, it becomes much harder for people to horde things and take more than they need because they have more.
 

Wirey

Fartist

Under communism, everyone has an equal obligation to work, each contributes in ways that they can, and each receives according to their needs. There is no welfare, as those who work have their needs taken care of. And because there is limited private property, it becomes much harder for people to horde things and take more than they need because they have more.

What a fantastic description of the former Soviet Union?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What a fantastic description of the former Soviet Union?
I didn't mention Soviet Russia, now did I? You know absolutely nothing about communism if you think Russia is the end-all be-all definition of communism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Soviets weren't communist?
I didn't say that either. But not all Muslims are ISIS, not all Christians are Catholic, not all scientists are physicists, not all writers are journalists, not all libertarians are right-winged, not all republicans are social conservatives, and so on.
 

Wirey

Fartist
I didn't say that either. But not all Muslims are ISIS, not all Christians are Catholic, not all scientists are physicists, not all writers are journalists, not all libertarians are right-winged, not all republicans are social conservatives, and so on.

The Soviets were communist. You described a communist country. The two don't jibe.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Soviets were communist. You described a communist country. The two don't jibe.
Russia was what is known as Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist communism (both are right-winged brands of communism) - a lesser known of Russia, which was not around very long because they gave the guy the boot, is Trotskyism (Snowball, if you are familiar with Animal Farm). There is classic and neo-Marxist communism, religious communism, anarchist-communism, left-winged communism, and many more. It's just like any other social-political theory in that there are more than just one variety.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Russia was what is known as Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist communism (both are right-winged brands of communism) - a lesser known of Russia, which was not around very long because they gave the guy the boot, is Trotskyism (Snowball, if you are familiar with Animal Farm). There is classic and neo-Marxist communism, religious communism, anarchist-communism, left-winged communism, and many more. It's just like any other social-political theory in that there are more than just one variety.

Fine, stop yelling, comrade!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The old USSR was cesspool of bourgeoisie corruption.
N Korea is the true paradise socialist state!

Their missile system needs work though.
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