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Bible Alone.. For Catholic's

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Wildswanderer

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Dogknox20 said:
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
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Oh my goodness! Really? Even this you twist into being about your fantasy place?
C'mon get real!
Purgatory isn't in the Bible. It's not even alluded to.
Whoever believes in Him avoids condemnation, but whoever does not believe is already condemned for not believing in the name of God's only Son (John 3:18). There are only two choices: Whoever believes in the Son has life eternal. Whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure the wrath of God (John 3:36)

There is no condemnation now for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1).

their sins and transgressions I will remember no more (Hebrews 10:17).

Anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus completely saved him, has not completely trusted Christ to save him.... he does not believe that Christ's sacrifice has paid for all of his sins, and thinks he must pay for some of them himself. That's Catholicism. A doctrine where God punishes for sins Christ already covered.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
1213 said:
Ok, thanks for the tip. But, I doubt it would make it any clearer why “Church” claims to be the source of Bible, but doesn’t believe what it says.
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I don't know whether the above is more based on ignorance or dishonesty or both. Either way, your accidental or intentional twisting of the subject is clearly showing.

Jesus created an organization with the Twelve and, later with their appointees many more, and yet you seemingly can't get that fact through your head. And as Paul said, the Church is to be "one body", not 30,000 bodies [denominations]. And that same "one body" chose the Christian canon most widely used today. To say that this "one body" doesn't follow the Bible is so totally twisted, especially since it implies that you have all the correct interpretations, and that Catholics have none or few. Seems that you have made yourself "judge & jury" on this, so maybe it's time to take a "humble pill" and get over yourself.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Wildswanderer said:
That's Catholicism. A doctrine where God punishes for sins Christ already covered.
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And that's nothing short of being a lie as Catholicism does believe that Christ died for our sins and that it is necessary to live out of the Gospel as Jesus specified in his answering "Which was the greatest commandment?".

Study.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Wildswanderer said:
It confirms what I said. He took on the form of man and humbled himself.

"did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage."

He didn't give up his equality with God.
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“7 but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form…”
What do you think that means? “Being in the form of God, and then being found in human likeness?” What do you think “emptying himself” means? It means that he gave up his divinity to be born as a human being. According to the Doctrine of the Trinity (which I follow), Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. When he was born, he was born as a fully human baby. That means he had a mother who carried him. Just like any other human baby.
 
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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
sojourner said:
“7 but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form…”
What do you think that means? “Being in the form of God, and then being found in human likeness?” What do you think “emptying himself” means? It means that he gave up his divinity to be born as a human being. According to the Doctrine of the Trinity (which I follow), Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. When he was born, he was born as a fully human baby. That means he had a mother who carried him. Just like any other human baby.
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Fully human and fully God sure doesn't equal giving up his divinity. Human likeness surely doesn't equal only a human being. He was never anything less than the Creator of all, including his own human body. Where do you get this nonsense of giving up his divinity? That's not Christianity. God wasn't born. He didn't die and then be reborn as a baby. He always existed. So the human Jesus had a mother but God didn't.
 
Dogknox20

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Wildswanderer said:
We are never told to pray to people.
This is scripture:
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Not this:

Hail, Holy Queen”:
“Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy,
hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you we cry, the children of Eve;
to you we send up our sighs,
mourning and weeping in this land of exile.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
your eyes of mercy toward us;
lead us home at last.”

The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God.

The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in heaven for their prayers.
Mary and the saints are not omniscient, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people?

Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination—activities the Bible strongly condemns!
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‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob’ ar45e in heaven
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Wildswanderer said:
Fully human and fully God sure doesn't equal giving up his divinity. Human likeness surely doesn't equal only a human being. He was never anything less than the Creator of all, including his own human body. Where do you get this nonsense of giving up his divinity? That's not Christianity. God wasn't born. He didn't die and then be reborn as a baby. He always existed. So the human Jesus had a mother but God didn't.
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Except that Jesus was fully God.
 
Dogknox20

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Wildswanderer said:
So?The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God.
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The Bible tells us that Christians will always honor Mary as blessed!

And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Four living creatures and the twenty-four elders have the PRAYERS!
Prayers are petitions to God!
Hebrews 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.

Intercede make Petition to God for another person with Prayer! You should pray and God will give them life
Wildswanderer Give who life who gets the life? YOU Pray and give life to the brother or sister you pray for! That brother or sister who is going to Get Life... This is NOT going directly to Jesus to be saved: It is OTHERS praying for them that need life!!
1 John 5:16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.
 
Dogknox20

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Wildswanderer said:
The Catholic church has already fallen repeatedly because of corrupted Popes and leaders. Christ is our head. Not any mortal man.
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Christ is the head of the Church! Jesus is NOT a fool he did not establish his church on sand! You are REJECTING the words of Jesus as lies!
Wildswanderer You are rejecting Jesus! You place your salvation in the teaching of your pastor not the scriptures.
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

Again you REJECT the scriptures as LIES from Jesus!
Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

You refuse to listen to the Church you are rejecting God!

You are forced to reject the scriptures to believe the teaching of your pastor! All protestants MUST reject the scriptures otherwise they would be Catholic!
The Bible is a Catholic Book put together by the Catholic Church! The Catholic Church came before the Bible!
You claim the BIBLE ALONE but reject the Church that decided the true words of God to put in HER bible!
Question how can you trust your bible is truly Gods words and reject the Church that decided what the words of God are!? You are stuck between a rock and a hard spot!
Pride ALONE keeps you from the truth!
 
Dogknox20

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Wildswanderer said:
So?The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God.
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The Bible tells all Christians to Pray for each other!
The Bible tells you; Jesus gives all of God' AUTHORITY to HIS CHURCH!
The Bible is a BOOK of the Catholic Church.. The Protestant MUST reject the words of God to reject his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus built on ROCK.. not on sand!
You believe the teaching of a man made church over God'! Scriptures ALONE is a MAN Made Tradition NOT found in the bible!

The teaching of Scriptures ALONE was unheard of for the first 1700 years! Scriptures ALONE is a TRADITION not biblical The Anti-Christ has had his hand in its making! It forces men to Reject scriptures and truth for a LIE!!
 
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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Dogknox20 said:
The Bible tells us that Christians will always honor Mary as blessed!

And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Four living creatures and the twenty-four elders have the PRAYERS!
Prayers are petitions to God!
Hebrews 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.

Intercede make Petition to God for another person with Prayer! You should pray and God will give them life
Wildswanderer Give who life who gets the life? YOU Pray and give life to the brother or sister you pray for! That brother or sister who is going to Get Life... This is NOT going directly to Jesus to be saved: It is OTHERS praying for them that need life!!
1 John 5:16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.
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Context. People in heaven or hell are not people you are seeing. Good grief.
Jesus offered the ultimate sacrifice. There's no need for an intermediate entity anymore.

 
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