Bible Alone.. For Catholic's

[Dogknox20]

Lol, you just said he was fully God. He was both. You can't just pick one because it's convenient.

Wildswanderer Yes Jesus was fully human & was fully God.
Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God!

The Word became man and lives with us!
The Word was born man!

42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Christ is the head of the Church! Jesus is NOT a fool he did not establish his church on sand! You are REJECTING the words of Jesus as lies!
Wildswanderer You are rejecting Jesus! You place your salvation in the teaching of your pastor not the scriptures.
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

Again you REJECT the scriptures as LIES from Jesus!
Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

You refuse to listen to the Church you are rejecting God!

You are forced to reject the scriptures to believe the teaching of your pastor! All protestants MUST reject the scriptures otherwise they would be Catholic!
The Bible is a Catholic Book put together by the Catholic Church! The Catholic Church came before the Bible!
You claim the BIBLE ALONE but reject the Church that decided the true words of God to put in HER bible!
Question how can you trust your bible is truly Gods words and reject the Church that decided what the words of God are!? You are stuck between a rock and a hard spot!
Pride ALONE keeps you from the truth!

Hilarious! You have it exactly backwards. The Catholic church rejected the clear teaching of scripture that Jesus is the only way and created multiple other ways, other doctrines that aren't taught by the scripture. Indulgences, idol worship, petitioning dead people, priests, popes who people treat as gods ... All anti biblical.

 

[Dogknox20]

Context. People in heaven or hell are not people you are seeing. Good grief.
Jesus offered the ultimate sacrifice. There's no need for an intermediate entity anymore.

“Miracle of the Sun,”
The Virgin Mary told three children on October 13, 1917 she would do a miracle for all to see.
Thousands of people showed up to witness the miracle! News paper reporters wrote about the miracle.. All thousands of people witnessed it!
The sun danced in the sky the rain stopped the mud dried up no one was wet in a matter of a few minutes!
People were healed!

 

[Wildswanderer]

If you and I can pray for each other, what would be the obstacle for us to pray for one who may be in sheol?

They are already in heaven or hell.
Our prayers have no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed.
The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth.

“Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment”

Even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the books of canonical Scripture. It's a man made doctrine.

 

[Wildswanderer]

“Miracle of the Sun,”
The Virgin Mary told three children on October 13, 1917 she would do a miracle for all to see.
Thousands of people showed up to witness the miracle! News paper reporters wrote about the miracle.. All thousands of people witnessed it!
The sun danced in the sky the rain stopped the mud dried up no one was wet in a matter of a few minutes!
People were healed!

The devil can do miracles too. Especially if it takes people's eyes off of Jesus. Assuming this isn't just some Catholic legend which is likely.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The Bible tells all Christians to Pray for each other!
The Bible tells you; Jesus gives all of God' AUTHORITY to HIS CHURCH!
The Bible is a BOOK of the Catholic Church.. The Protestant MUST reject the words of God to reject his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus built on ROCK.. not on sand!
You believe the teaching of a man made church over God'! Scriptures ALONE is a MAN Made Tradition NOT found in the bible!

The teaching of Scriptures ALONE was unheard of for the first 1700 years! Scriptures ALONE is a TRADITION not biblical The Anti-Christ has had his hand in its making! It forces men to Reject scriptures and truth for a LIE!!

Contradicting yourself! "Believe the scripture! No, believe this church tradition!"

You believe the traditions of a man made church over God.

 

[sojourner]

Lol, you just said he was fully God. He was both. You can't just pick one because it's convenient.

<sigh> Once again: It’s a metaphor. If teased out far enough, all metaphors (and all theological constructions are largely metaphoric) will fall apart. That doesn’t make them “bad” or “invalid.” It’s just the nature of the beast. The particular metaphoric, theological construction of “Mary the mother of God” exists due to the other metaphoric, theological construction of “God becoming one of us, and being born of Mary.”

This isn’t about DNA. It’s not about science. It’s not about factual particularity. It’s theology.

 

[Dogknox20]

Context. People in heaven or hell are not people you are seeing. Good grief.
Jesus offered the ultimate sacrifice. There's no need for an intermediate entity anymore.

Wildswanderer The Bible tells all Christians to; Pray for each other!
The Bible tells you; Jesus gives all of God' AUTHORITY to HIS CHURCH!
The Bible is a BOOK of the Catholic Church.. The Protestant MUST reject the words of God to reject his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church that Jesus built on ROCK.. not on sand!
Wildswanderer You believe the teaching of a man made church over God'!

Scriptures ALONE is a MAN Made Tradition it is NOT found in the bible!

The teaching of Scriptures ALONE was unheard of for the first 1700 years!
The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church built on ROCK taught "Jesus & Salvation to the word for the first 1700 years! THERE...

Wildswanderer there were no bibles (very few) bibles were expensive works of art, only the very rich could own a bible! Most people could NOT READ! The very idea of "all man needs is a bible to be saved" shows the depth of ignorance!

Scriptures ALONE is a TRADITION it is not biblical The Anti-Christ has had his hand in making this lie, it sends many souls to him!
Wildswanderer This man made TRADITION of all I need is a bible forces men to Reject scriptures and truth for a LIE!!

 

[Wildswanderer]

Wildswanderer Yes Jesus was fully human & was fully God.
Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God!

The Word became man and lives with us!
The Word was born man!

42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

The Word was there in the beginning...he had no parent except God himself. Mary was just a vessel for his earth body. The incarnation is a grand mystery, but we do know that Mary wasn't a sinless god, she was a normal girl from a normal town. She was also not a perpetual virgin. She had multiple children.

 

[1213]

...To say that this "one body" doesn't follow the Bible is so totally twisted, ....

Bible tells Jesus is a man and that there is only one true God that is greater than Jesus (1). Bible tells also that people should not make images of God (2). And also, that it is wrong to deny people to marry (3). By what I know, Catholic Church goes against those. If Bible is from Catholic Church, why did they wrote those things, when they don’t obey them?

(1) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
… the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

(2) You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20:4-6

(3) But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron; forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1 Tim. 4:1-3

Catholic Church needs to twist those truths to fit to their doctrines and I think it is kind of stupid, if they made the book. If it is from them, they could have done it so that they would not need to make silly interpretations to avoid the truth.

 

[1213]

15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
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Ok, thank you. But what if the church says nothing is sin anymore, people can do whatever they want?
Does it actually mean, it is not anymore God’s Church?

 

[Wildswanderer]

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<sigh> Once again: It’s a metaphor. If teased out far enough, all metaphors (and all theological constructions are largely metaphoric) will fall apart. That doesn’t make them “bad” or “invalid.” It’s just the nature of the beast. The particular metaphoric, theological construction of “Mary the mother of God” exists due to the other metaphoric, theological construction of “God becoming one of us, and being born of Mary.”

This isn’t about DNA. It’s not about science. It’s not about factual particularity. It’s theology.

If your theology isn't fact, it's useless. Jesus was and is not a metaphor. He was literally born with blood and labor and he was literally divine.
God both literally became one of us and was literally fully God also.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Wildswanderer This man made TRADITION of all I need is a bible forces men to Reject scriptures and truth for a LIE!!

All any man needs to be saved is a bible. The Holy Spirit can do the rest. He doesn't need a huge organization to interpret the truth.

 

[Dogknox20]

Contradicting yourself! "Believe the scripture! No, believe this church tradition!"

You believe the traditions of a man made church over God.

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Wildswanderer You will have to prove your accusation, we both know you can't! Wanting it to be true does not make it so! You reject Jesus and condemn yourself to say what you say!
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

Wildswanderer You reject Jesus and thus you reject God to say what you say..
Luke 10:16
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Wildswanderer You reject LOGIC to say what you say..
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

FOREVER means the Holy Spirit is still today with the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus built on ROCK!
FOREVER means the Holy Spirit is NOT he CANNOT be with you or any man made Church; God does NOT accept error or lies!
Satan is the father of lies and chaos caused by these thousands of man made churches!

Ignatius wrote in 110 A.D. “Obey the bishop as if he were Jesus Christ” (2:2, 1).
“Do nothing apart from the bishop,” he wrote to the Philadelphians (7:2).
To the Smyrnaeans he gave the same advice: “You should all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ did the Father . . . Nobody must do anything that has to do with the Church without the bishop’s approval” (8:1).

Ignatius wrote: “When the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (8:2). This is the first surviving mention in Christian literature of the name, “the Catholic Church,” the name which the Council of Constantinople (381) would later employ in the Nicene Creed to designate the entity for which that Council was speaking.
Wildswanderer Did you see it...? just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” A.D. 110

 

[pearl]

Even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the books of canonical Scripture. It's a man made doctrine.

I remind you that Protestants following the Jewish council deleted from canonical Scripture those books not considered by them to be inspired because they were written in Greek not Hebrew. So, for Catholics they are canonical.

 

[Wildswanderer]

FOREVER means the Holy Spirit is still today with the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus built on ROCK!
FOREVER means the Holy Spirit is NOT he CANNOT be with you or any man made Church; God does NOT accept error or lies!
Satan is the father of lies and chaos caused by these thousands of man made churches!

You try and limit God to one organization that became corrupted and never fully changed it's ways since.
The Holy Spirit isn't limited to any church. He's active where he decides to be, and that's where people love him in truth not in empty rituals.

 

[sojourner]

Contradicting yourself! "Believe the scripture! No, believe this church tradition!"

You believe the traditions of a man made church over God.

Scripture is part of the “man-made” Tradition. You’re creating a false distinction.

 

[Dogknox20]

Ok, thank you. But what if the church says nothing is sin anymore, people can do whatever they want?
Does it actually mean, it is not anymore God’s Church?

1213 The ONLY Church Jesus established is the Holy Catholic Church... He built it on ROCK not on sand.. It will never fall!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

Forever means the Holy Spirit will REMAIN with the Holy Body of Jesus The Catholic Apostolic Church to the end of time!
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Holy Spirit arrived at Pentecost.. The Guide he will guide you into all the truth remains FOREVER!

 

[Dogknox20]

You try and limit God to one organization that became corrupted and never fully changed it's ways since.
The Holy Spirit isn't limited to any church. He's active where he decides to be, and that's where people love him in truth not in empty rituals.

There is ONLY ONE TRUTH!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

Forever means the Holy Spirit will REMAIN with the Holy Body of Jesus The Catholic Apostolic Church to the end of time!
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Holy Spirit arrived at Pentecost.. The Guide he will guide you into all the truth remains FOREVER!

 

[sojourner]

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If your theology isn't fact, it's useless. Jesus was and is not a metaphor. He was literally born with blood and labor and he was literally divine.
God both literally became one of us and was literally fully God also.

Theology isn’t fact, and if you think it is, you’re highly mistaken. Not even God is a “fact,” because facts require proof.

The theology is that we’re all divine, since our life comes through the Spirit of God. The theology is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine, but that doesn’t mean it’s a “fact,” or even “literal.” It’s a belief.