Bible Alone.. For Catholic's

[Wildswanderer]

I remind you that Protestants following the Jewish council deleted from canonical Scripture those books not considered by them to be inspired because they were written in Greek not Hebrew. So, for Catholics they are canonical.

I've seen the " scripture" that the Catholics use to promote purgatory. It says nothing about such a place. I have a Catholic Bible. It contains nothing that would change my doctrine in the extra books. Of course the footnotes by Catholic " authorities" explain away the simple truths the Word.

 

[Wildswanderer]

There is ONLY ONE TRUTH!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

Forever means the Holy Spirit will REMAIN with the Holy Body of Jesus The Catholic Apostolic Church to the end of time!
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Holy Spirit arrived at Pentecost.. The Guide he will guide you into all the truth remains FOREVER!

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.

Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings. Of course the spirit guides whoever loves him into truth. It's got nothing to do with what church you attend.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Theology isn’t fact, and if you think it is, you’re highly mistaken. Not even God is a “fact,” because facts require proof.

The theology is that we’re all divine, since our life comes through the Spirit of God. The theology is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine, but that doesn’t mean it’s a “fact,” or even “literal.” It’s a belief.

Sounds like new age nonsense. Why would I follow that? We aren't divine. God is indeed a fact. He exists in reality, not just in our minds.

 

[Dogknox20]

You try and limit God to one organization that became corrupted and never fully changed it's ways since.
The Holy Spirit isn't limited to any church. He's active where he decides to be, and that's where people love him in truth not in empty rituals.

Ignatius wrote in 110 A.D. “Obey the bishop as if he were Jesus Christ” (2:2, 1).
“Do nothing apart from the bishop,” he wrote to the Philadelphians (7:2).
To the Smyrnaeans he gave the same advice: “You should all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ did the Father . . . Nobody must do anything that has to do with the Church without the bishop’s approval” (8:1).

Ignatius wrote: “When the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (8:2). This is the first surviving mention in Christian literature of the name, “the Catholic Church,” the name which the Council of Constantinople (381) would later employ in the Nicene Creed to designate the entity for which that Council was speaking.
Wildswanderer Did you see it...? just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” A.D. 110

 

[Dogknox20]

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.

Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings. Of course the spirit guides whoever loves him into truth. It's got nothing to do with what church you attend.

To obey Jesus you MUST accept the words of Jesus! You are forced to reject the scriptures to accept the teaching of your pastor!

9 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Wildswanderer Jesus started with his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church he built on ROCK (not sand) this means he is still with his Holy Church to this very day!
It means you are with a counterfeit church with roots back to the Anti-Christ.. Satan rejects Jesus also!
There can only be One Church because there is only One Truth!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

Forever means the Holy Spirit will REMAIN with the Holy Body of Jesus The Catholic Apostolic Church to the end of time!
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Wildswanderer The Holy Spirit arrived at Pentecost.. The Holy Spirit (GOD) he will guide you into all the truth remains FOREVER!

You are forced to reject the scriptures to believe Jesus lied!

 

[Dogknox20]

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.

Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings. Of course the spirit guides whoever loves him into truth. It's got nothing to do with what church you attend.

Wildswanderer just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” A.D. 110

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

 

[Dogknox20]

Theology isn’t fact, and if you think it is, you’re highly mistaken. Not even God is a “fact,” because facts require proof.

The theology is that we’re all divine, since our life comes through the Spirit of God. The theology is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine, but that doesn’t mean it’s a “fact,” or even “literal.” It’s a belief.

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

 

[Dogknox20]

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.

Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings. Of course the spirit guides whoever loves him into truth. It's got nothing to do with what church you attend.

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Wildswanderer The TEACHING of Jesus (God below) all between verse #45 to verse #59 is the TEACHING of Jesus you REJECT the TEACHING as lies!

45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Jews are NOT Christians!
Wildswanderer Christians have ALWAYS believed the TEACHING! You stick your foot into your own mouth... By saying this.. (below)
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.
Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings.

Wildswanderer you REJECT the TEACHING of Jesus as just more lies! Christians do NOT reject the words of Jesus!

Ignatius of Antioch (was NOT a protestant.. he was a CHRISTIAN) He did NOT reject the TEACHING of Jesus as you do!
“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ . . . and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

 

[metis]

They are already in heaven or hell.

It is virtually impossible for you to know that, and most Christians I know believe there will be a judgement day for all of us that have not already been assumed into heaven prior to that. Again, your continued assumptions points to the simple fact that you will never be good at theology with your know-it-all positions.

Even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the books of canonical Scripture. It's a man made doctrine.

Again and again, it is an "interpretation" from not only scripture but was also from the oral tradition that was passed on. Paul refers to such a tradition that we should follow.

 

[sojourner]

All any man needs to be saved is a bible. The Holy Spirit can do the rest. He doesn't need a huge organization to interpret the truth.

I thought all one needed was Jesus…

 

[sojourner]

Sounds like new age nonsense. Why would I follow that? We aren't divine. God is indeed a fact. He exists in reality, not just in our minds.

‘K. Prove it. Show me the facts.

 

[sojourner]

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Ooookaaayyy…

And…?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Wildswanderer just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” A.D. 110

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

this isn't about any church. Of course the Holy Spirit is with believers forever.
And there was only one church in AD 110, so what's your point?

 

[Wildswanderer]

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Wildswanderer The TEACHING of Jesus (God below) all between verse #45 to verse #59 is the TEACHING of Jesus you REJECT the TEACHING as lies!

45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Jews are NOT Christians!
Wildswanderer Christians have ALWAYS believed the TEACHING! You stick your foot into your own mouth... By saying this.. (below)
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching.
Not the false doctrine of any church, but his teachings.

Wildswanderer you REJECT the TEACHING of Jesus as just more lies! Christians do NOT reject the words of Jesus!

Ignatius of Antioch (was NOT a protestant.. he was a CHRISTIAN) He did NOT reject the TEACHING of Jesus as you do!
“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ . . . and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

I have no idea what you are trying to prove here? The eucharist?
First, the scripture passage you quoted isn't about communion, but I'm not sure what you think Ignatius was saying here?

 

[Wildswanderer]

It is virtually impossible for you to know that,

No, it's illustrated quite clearly in the scripture.

 

[Wildswanderer]

‘K. Prove it. Show me the facts.

If your theology hasn't brought you into the reality of a relationship with the living God, you need to rethink your theology. A lot of church stuff does just the opposite, pushing God away into the stratosphere, especially vain rituals with no Holy Spirit presence.
If you think God is just a metaphor or idea you are not following the truth or the true God.

 

[metis]

No, it's illustrated quite clearly in the scripture.

Oh really? Well then maybe read this: The Bible tells us that God, “has set a day in which He purposes to judge the inhabited earth” (Acts 17:31). For Christians, Judgment Day is the final and eternal judgment by God of the people in every nation resulting in the punishment of some and the glorification of others... -- What is Judgment Day? | When Will Judgment Day Occur? - Beliefnet

 

[sojourner]

If your theology hasn't brought you into the reality of a relationship with the living God, you need to rethink your theology. A lot of church stuff does just the opposite, pushing God away into the stratosphere, especially vain rituals with no Holy Spirit presence.
If you think God is just a metaphor or idea you are not following the truth or the true God.

And all of that comes by faith, not fact. If someone wants to assert the fact of God’s existence, rather than the faith in God’s existence, it’s they who have the problem — not me. You want to assert that God’s existence is a fact? Show me the evidence. And then present an apologetic regarding why you choose nonexistent fact over faith.

While you’re about it, perhaps you’d be so kind as to enumerate some of these “vain rituals,” and demonstrate why they have no “Holy Spirit presence?”

 

[Wildswanderer]

And all of that comes by faith, not fact. If someone wants to assert the fact of God’s existence, rather than the faith in God’s existence, it’s they who have the problem — not me. You want to assert that God’s existence is a fact? Show me the evidence. And then present an apologetic regarding why you choose nonexistent fact over faith.

While you’re about it, perhaps you’d be so kind as to enumerate some of these “vain rituals,” and demonstrate why they have no “Holy Spirit presence?”

If God is not a fact to you do you really have faith?
God has to be experienced. I thought that would be obvious. But the evidence for his existence is overwhelming.
Vain rituals are often things like listening to someone drone in Latin, recite the same prayers over and over, using beads, ( where is that in the Bible?)
Many churches are very ritualistic, it's easy to zone out and do the same thing every week.
Even communion can become just a thing you do without thought.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Oh really? Well then maybe read this: The Bible tells us that God, “has set a day in which He purposes to judge the inhabited earth” (Acts 17:31). For Christians, Judgment Day is the final and eternal judgment by God of the people in every nation resulting in the punishment of some and the glorification of others... -- What is Judgment Day? | When Will Judgment Day Occur? - Beliefnet

Yes I know about that judgement.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.” John 5:24

"we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” 2Cor 5:6–8

Luke 19, ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20, And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22, And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23, And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24, And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25, But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26, And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27, Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28, For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29, Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30, And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31, And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

There's a final judgment, but our destination is fixed at the death of this body.