Biden and the traitorous People's Democrat Party is trying to start a civil war if not already with the open border being ground zero.

[Subduction Zone]

The Left is too wimpy to call things the way they are. If a person sneaks into a country illegally then they are an illegal alien! If I went to France and overstayed my visa then I'm there illegally.

No, one could apply for refugee status in France as well. They have the same sorts of laws that we have.

Until you change US law you are wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Unless you have applied for resistancy.

Rats! Beat me to it, but since you live there you would know. I was very sure that France had the same sorts of laws as we do in this matter.

 

[Colt]

You need to separate refugees from immigrants. This is US law, that people applying for refugee status have to be accepted until their hearing on refugee status. As I said it is not only international law, it is US law as well:

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

At the hearing the burden of proof is on the alien to show that he or she is a refugee, but until then, whether the person crossed the border legally or illegally has the right to be in the US. The person does not have a right to find a job. That can be limited. But that only puts a burden on the US taxpayers.

Sneaking into the country to get a better job isn't a refugee. They may fool you but not people with common since. And frankly Leftist activists coach illegal aliens on what to say.

 

[Colt]

No, one could apply for refugee status in France as well. They have the same sorts of laws that we have.

Until you change US law you are wrong.

But I'm honest, I wouldn't claim refugee status if I'm not one.

 

[ChristineM]

Rats! Beat me to it, but since you live there you would know. I was very sure that France had the same sorts of laws as we do in this matter.

Pretty much, if you have a visa (or are within the 3 months limit for countries not requiring a visa) and you apply for residency the limit is postponed until your application is processed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sneaking into the country to get a better job isn't a refugee. They may fool you but not people with common since. And frankly Leftist activists coach illegal aliens on what to say.

And if that is what they are doing they will then be deported after their hearing. Worse yet for the person there will be a record of him

One does not get to skip justice do to hate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But I'm honest, I wouldn't claim refugee status if I'm not one.

Yes, and most people are that way. That does not mean that there are not a lot of genuine refugees these days.

 

[Colt]

Unless you have applied for resistancy.

Dishonest people play the system and the system isn't working. Thats why we call Leftist enablers of the problem. Americans in general want to be able to take in a certain number of refugees and immigrants all of which still requires preventing too many.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Pretty much, if you have a visa (or are within the 3 months limit for countries not requiring a visa) and you apply for residency the limit is postponed until your application is processed.

What happens if one crosses the border illegally, but then immediately applies for refugee status? In the US they would be here legally at that point. They could not be kicked out until after their hearing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dishonest people play the system and the system isn't working. Thats why we call Leftist enablers of the problem. Americans in general want to be able to take in a certain number of refugees and immigrants all of which still requires preventing too many.

Wow! This is the a first. Obeying US laws is "leftist". Who woulda thunk it?

 

[Colt]

And if that is what they are doing they will then be deported after their hearing. Worse yet for the person there will be a record of him

One does not get to skip justice do to hate.

Only foolish people think that they actually show up to court when they don't have to.

"Nearly 600,000 migrants who crossed the U.S. border since March 2021 have been released into the U.S. without being charged or given a date to appear in court, according to data obtained by NBC News, and thousands have even been dropped from the program that was supposed to track them."

Nearly 600,000 migrants released inside U.S. since 2021 with no court date

 

[ChristineM]

Dishonest people play the system and the system isn't working. Thats why we call Leftist enablers of the problem. Americans in general want to be able to take in a certain number of refugees and immigrants all of which still requires preventing too many.

The problem existed for both left and right government, in fact trump is at this moment deliberately trying to block a bill just so he ban blame biden for its failure. So don't put this on the left

 

[Colt]

Wow! This is the a first. Obeying US laws is "leftist". Who woulda thunk it?

Its manipulating the law and you know it!

 

[Colt]

The problem existed for both left and right government, in fact trump is at this moment deliberately trying to block a bill just so he ban blame biden for its failure. So don't put this on the left

Fair enough but the Hispanic population is a large voting block for (D)'s so they can't be seen as being too strict on illegal immigration.

Last week my neighbor's car was totaled by an illegal immigrant speeding, no license, no insurance! her insurance will have to cover and her rates will go up! The illegal will walk away into the abyss!

 

[fantome profane]

Sneaking into the country to get a better job isn't a refugee. They may fool you but not people with common since. And frankly Leftist activists coach illegal aliens on what to say.

This is true, and this is the problem.

But it is not enough to identify the problem, you need a solution. And I am telling you the solution is not walls, it is not razor wire, it is not shooting them.

The solution is to speed up the processing, you need lawyers, judges, courts, clerks and paper pushers. It might not satisfy the emotional need to punish people, but it is what you need to do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only foolish people think that they actually show up to court when they don't have to.

"Nearly 600,000 migrants who crossed the U.S. border since March 2021 have been released into the U.S. without being charged or given a date to appear in court, according to data obtained by NBC News, and thousands have even been dropped from the program that was supposed to track them."

Nearly 600,000 migrants released inside U.S. since 2021 with no court date

Yes, we do not have enough people working in those branches of government right now. And whose fault is that?

We still have to follow US law regardless until it is changed. And right now the Republicans will not do anything to help to fix the issue. The migrant problem is not a Democratic one, it is a Republican one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its manipulating the law and you know it!

No, the law is clear. If you think that they are manipulating the law why are you not screaming at your Republican senators and congressmen to get on the ball and write some legislation with the Democrats?

Right now it is only the Republicans that are refusing to act meaning that this problem is their fault.

 

[ChristineM]

Fair enough but the Hispanic population is a large voting block for (D)'s so they can't be seen as being too strict on illegal immigration.

Last week my neighbor's car was totaled by an illegal immigrant speeding, no license, no insurance! her insurance will have to cover and her rates will go up! The illegal will walk away into the abyss!

Could quite easily have been a legal . Last weekend my shopping car was badly damaged by a deer. So really is irrelevant here

 

[Colt]

This is true, and this is the problem.

But it is not enough to identify the problem, you need a solution. And I am telling you the solution is not walls, it is not razor wire, it is not shooting them.

The solution is to speed up the processing, you need lawyers, judges, courts, clerks and paper pushers. It might not satisfy the emotional need to punish people, but it is what you need to do.

According to a recent report by Courthouse News Service, the backlog of cases in US immigration courts has been increasing at an alarming rate. As of the first quarter of 2024, immigration judges have issued around 64,000 deportation orders 1. However, the backlog is so severe that it is taking years to resolve cases, with some people waiting for up to 58 months for a decision on their legal status 2.

Florida and Texas have the largest immigration case backlogs, with Florida having 454,434 pending cases and Texas having 426,901 pending cases as of November 2023 3. According to Syracuse University research institute, there are more than 3 million pending cases across the country, and nearly a third are in Florida and Texas 3.

BTW, deported immigrants come back!

Judicial watch.

In fiscal year 2023, which ended in September, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 170,590 illegal immigrants inside the country, almost half of them with criminal records. The criminal aliens had an average of four charges and convictions each, including more than 33,209 charges or convictions for assault, 7,520 for weapons offenses, 1,713 for homicide-related crimes and 1,615 for kidnapping. Removals also included 3,406 known or suspected gang members, 139 known or suspected terrorists, seven human rights violators, and 108 foreign fugitives wanted by their government for crimes including homicide, rape, terrorism, and kidnapping.

 

[Colt]

Could quite easily have been a legal . Last weekend my shopping car was badly damaged by a deer. So really is irrelevant here

Oh well if an illegal alien totals your car and isn't even arrested then I will remind you to just brush it off!