Biden and the traitorous People's Democrat Party is trying to start a civil war if not already with the open border being ground zero.

[Twilight Hue]

The Biden administration is following current law. If you have a complaint then you should write your republican representatives who seem to be sabotaging the solution for the border just to make Biden look bad. To my mind that won't lead to Biden being fired, but all these do-nothing, Trump loving republicans.

And who cares what Abbott thinks, he's a Trump hack like most of the others. Republicans are going down the drain with this criminal ex-president. It's only going to persuade citizens to vote blue.

I'm confident Texas has it well in hand as I'm sure those living in that state will be grateful for the efforts of their governor who is acting well within his constitutional authority to protect the border that the federal government is sorely neglecting on purpose.

 

[F1fan]

The degree will vary.

The Trump degree is inhumane and illegal. That doesn't solve anything, only creates more misery.

I blame both parties.
But the Dems do appear more favorable towards illegals.

Illegals? Is that right wing code talk for migrants, even those who came in through an entry and filed for asylum?

Remember, Obama deported many caught in the USA without filing for asylum. And even those who did cross and get caught can file at that time. A bike racing friend of mine was in the USA illegally and none of us knew it until he was pulled over in a small Missouri town. He had a fiance and a young daughter, and many of us supported him as he got a lawyer and filed to stay in the USA. We all learned about how this process works through his experience. He came from El Savador when he was 17 and didn't know what to do as he was escaping the crime and gang life. He's a good guy, funny, excellent athlete, and a partner and father. He paid taxes. His case has been in the system for quite a few years, as the legal system is overwhelmed and the more negative cases are prioritized. So he is in limbo. The was threatened with deporttation when Trump was president but our legal system still followed the law and procedure, and the threats never happened. He was in serious anxiety and fear being sent back to El Salvador because he knew no one there, and was worried about his daughter losing her dad.

So even the label of "illegal" is cruel and insulting. It's a MAGA term and I know you aren't a fan of MAGA. As a libertarian I figured you would appreciate migrants coming to a new country and working to make a life from literally nothing. Let's remember migrant labor is crucial to the US economy, and evenyone knows it. MAGAs just won't acknowledge it when they try to influence conservative voters, and use migrants as invaders, criminals, non-human, etc. The pictures of dead children in the Rio Grand was met with no sympathy by conservatives, and the republicas blame the parents as if migrants are trying to escape annoying neighbors in their El Salvador suburbs. Yeah, migrants are risking their lives because they are sick and tired of Jose and his cousins playing music well past midnight on weekends.

The democrats are in the minority in the House, and why they get criticized because they can't force the right thing is absurd. If you want change in the law that is effective, then vote blue, because the do-nothing republcians are going to do nothing. Be sure you blame the right party when things are getting done. And be sure to look at what both sides want, and then why what democrats want can't be done without republicans.

Fire these MAGA republicans and vote in ethical republicans or democrats or independents. MAGAs are out to solve nothing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The Trump degree is inhumane and illegal. That doesn't solve anything, only creates more misery.

Illegals? Is that right wing code talk for migrants, even those who came in through an entry and filed for asylum?

Remember, Obama deported many caught in the USA without filing for asylum. And even those who did cross and get caught can file at that time. A bike racing friend of mine was in the USA illegally and none of us knew it until he was pulled over in a small Missouri town. He had a fiance and a young daughter, and many of us supported him as he got a lawyer and filed to stay in the USA. We all learned about how this process works through his experience. He came from El Savador when he was 17 and didn't know what to do as he was escaping the crime and gang life. He's a good guy, funny, excellent athlete, and a partner and father. He paid taxes. His case has been in the system for quite a few years, as the legal system is overwhelmed and the more negative cases are prioritized. So he is in limbo. The was threatened with deporttation when Trump was president but our legal system still followed the law and procedure, and the threats never happened. He was in serious anxiety and fear being sent back to El Salvador because he knew no one there, and was worried about his daughter losing her dad.

So even the label of "illegal" is cruel and insulting. It's a MAGA term and I know you aren't a fan of MAGA. As a libertarian I figured you would appreciate migrants coming to a new country and working to make a life from literally nothing. Let's remember migrant labor is crucial to the US economy, and evenyone knows it. MAGAs just won't acknowledge it when they try to influence conservative voters, and use migrants as invaders, criminals, non-human, etc. The pictures of dead children in the Rio Grand was met with no sympathy by conservatives, and the republicas blame the parents as if migrants are trying to escape annoying neighbors in their El Salvador suburbs. Yeah, migrants are risking their lives because they are sick and tired of Jose and his cousins playing music well past midnight on weekends.

The democrats are in the minority in the House, and why they get criticized because they can't force the right thing is absurd. If you want change in the law that is effective, then vote blue, because the do-nothing republcians are going to do nothing. Be sure you blame the right party when things are getting done. And be sure to look at what both sides want, and then why what democrats want can't be done without republicans.

Fire these MAGA republicans and vote in ethical republicans or democrats or independents. MAGAs are out to solve nothing.

Migrants follow the rules and laws of this country and apply properly.

Illegals don't.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Trump degree is inhumane and illegal. That doesn't solve anything, only creates more misery.

When you don't say to what degree in
what way, I don't know what you mean.

Illegals? Is that right wing code talk for migrants, even those who came in through an entry and filed for asylum?

Don't play that game with me.
Your "migrant" is PC duplicitous wordplay.
"Illegals" is just an abbreviation of "illegal immigrant"
which accurately describes what they're doing.

Remember, Obama deported many caught in the USA without filing for asylum. And even those who did cross and get caught can file at that time. A bike racing friend of mine was in the USA illegally and none of us knew it until he was pulled over in a small Missouri town. He had a fiance and a young daughter, and many of us supported him as he got a lawyer and filed to stay in the USA. We all learned about how this process works through his experience. He came from El Savador when he was 17 and didn't know what to do as he was escaping the crime and gang life. He's a good guy, funny, excellent athlete, and a partner and father. He paid taxes. His case has been in the system for quite a few years, as the legal system is overwhelmed and the more negative cases are prioritized. So he is in limbo. The was threatened with deporttation when Trump was president but our legal system still followed the law and procedure, and the threats never happened. He was in serious anxiety and fear being sent back to El Salvador because he knew no one there, and was worried about his daughter losing her dad.

So even the label of "illegal" is cruel and insulting. It's a MAGA term and I know you aren't a fan of MAGA. As a libertarian I figured you would appreciate migrants coming to a new country and working to make a life from literally nothing. Let's remember migrant labor is crucial to the US economy, and evenyone knows it. MAGAs just won't acknowledge it when they try to influence conservative voters, and use migrants as invaders, criminals, non-human, etc. The pictures of dead children in the Rio Grand was met with no sympathy by conservatives, and the republicas blame the parents as if migrants are trying to escape annoying neighbors in their El Salvador suburbs. Yeah, migrants are risking their lives because they are sick and tired of Jose and his cousins playing music well past midnight on weekends.

The democrats are in the minority in the House, and why they get criticized because they can't force the right thing is absurd. If you want change in the law that is effective, then vote blue, because the do-nothing republcians are going to do nothing. Be sure you blame the right party when things are getting done. And be sure to look at what both sides want, and then why what democrats want can't be done without republicans.

Fire these MAGA republicans and vote in ethical republicans or democrats or independents. MAGAs are out to solve nothing.

I oppose both Dem & Pub policies.
They're an unholy mix of feckless & inhumane.

 

[F1fan]

I'm confident Texas has it well in hand

Breaking domestic and international laws doing it. And defying the federal government as if they can get away with their illegal policies?

The funny thing is republcians are the "illegals" where it comes to these extreme immigration actions. The republicans are breaking the law deliberately. Migrants have a US and international right to cross the border and surrender to authorities. Killing or injuring migrants as they enter is a domestic and international crime.

as I'm sure those living in that state will be grateful for the efforts of their governor who is acting well within his constitutional authority to protect the border that the federal government is sorely neglecting on purpose.

There are more than MAGAs living there, and let's hope more citizens are getting tired of the inhumane treatment of migrants and fire republicans.

It's notable that you conservatives talk about this issue astractly, and avoid acknowledging that these migrants are human beings.

 

[F1fan]

Migrants follow the rules and laws of this country and apply properly.

Illegals don't.

Do you support migrants coming into the USA and applying, and being allowed to stay?

If so, why not make the application process faster and easier for the high flow of migrants? Why not support new legislation that Trump is trying to sabotage? Right now many of them fear the republicans and avoid applying. They face cruelty and inhumanity either way, and their only hope is trying to avoid the republicans IF Trump is re-elected.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Breaking domestic and international laws doing it. And defying the federal government as if they can get away with their illegal policies?

The funny thing is republcians are the "illegals" where it comes to these extreme immigration actions. The republicans are breaking the law deliberately. Migrants have a US and international right to cross the border and surrender to authorities. Killing or injuring migrants as they enter is a domestic and international crime.

There are more than MAGAs living there, and let's hope more citizens are getting tired of the inhumane treatment of migrants and fire republicans.

It's notable that you conservatives talk about this issue astractly, and avoid acknowledging that these migrants are human beings.

I think it should be noteworthy that the Republicans didn't start this mess. It was the egging on by Democrats that was and is creating the crisis and a manufactured one at that, all at the expense of American citizens living there as the Biden Administration allowed things to get overrun.

If the governor was that wrong , I'm sure that he will be replaced next election.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you support migrants coming into the USA and applying, and being allowed to stay?

If so, why not make the application process faster and easier for the high flow of migrants? Why not support new legislation that Trump is trying to sabotage? Right now many of them fear the republicans and avoid applying. They face cruelty and inhumanity either way, and their only hope is trying to avoid the republicans IF Trump is re-elected.

Sure any foreigner who comes to this country can always apply properly to be admitted and I will welcome them with open arms as a fellow citizen once they are declared one. I also have no problems with those holding a valid green card and visa who are in this country.

I also support making the application process easier and less hindering for those who want to come into this country either long-term or as permanent citizens.

In the age of the internet and computers I don't see why this could ever be a problem or they could apply in their home country, a designated location, or at an embassy and then migrate once they're approved.

 

[Colt]

Apparently not. The constitution has priority

Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts.

Department of Justice | Homepage | United States Department of Justice › archives

1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses | United States Department of Justice​

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the Left thought illegals were future (R)’s then “suddenly” they would be concerned about illegal immigration! They would be as concerned as they are about Trump paying extortion money to a porn actress!

I guess that Democrats are not "the Left" since they have a record of trying to protect the border. They merely oppose wasteful, immoral, and illegal attempts to keep illegal aliens out.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts.

Department of Justice | Homepage | United States Department of Justice › archives

1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses | United States Department of Justice​

That too, and the Biden administration can certainly be viewed as violating many of those provisions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Illegals shouldn't vote in any election, but Democrats don't care about that. They just want to milk people for votes and if that means stealing votes via illegals, they will do it.

Already they got 800,000 illegals voting in New York City. That should speak volumes and how much they care about actual citizens. As if they really cared in the first place.

And they have the sheer gall to accuse others of foreign interference.

Massive Hypocrites and traitors. Almost all of them.

I see, so you do not like the US Constitution. The US Constitution gives the rules for federal elections. Who can vote and who cannot. But it also allows for states to set their own laws and some states allow cities and counties to make their own decisions on who votes. Keeping that in mind many cities realize that if one has a voice in how things are run in one's city one will have a vested interest in it so they allow aliens to vote for local issues even if they cannot vote for federal issues. Where do you get your authority to tell cities how they should run their local elections?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm confident Texas has it well in hand as I'm sure those living in that state will be grateful for the efforts of their governor who is acting well within his constitutional authority to protect the border that the federal government is sorely neglecting on purpose.

What Texas is doing is just a show for the local yahoos. It really will not make a dent in the issue of asylum seekers.

 

[McBell]

Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts.

Department of Justice | Homepage | United States Department of Justice › archives

1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses | United States Department of Justice​

Ok.
So Gov Abbott is in violation of your presented order.
What is it you think the punishment should be?

 

[Colt]

Ok.
So Gov Abbott is in violation of your presented order.
What is it you think the punishment should be?

If so then whatever the penalty is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What Texas is doing is just a show for the local yahoos. It really will not make a dent in the issue of asylum seekers.

It will over time. One look at border numbers will tell which administration, past, present, and future is doing the right or wrong things in keeping those numbers manageable and low.

 

[McBell]

What Texas is doing is just a show for the local yahoos. It really will not make a dent in the issue of asylum seekers.

I suspect that Gov Abbott is frustrated and upset over the fact that the Federal Government is following the current laws and is currently testing the waters to see what he can and can not get away with.

Take this razor wire thing for example.
There is no law saying it cannot be used.
However, if it gets in the way of border patrol doing their job, border patrol has every legal right to remove it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts.

Department of Justice | Homepage | United States Department of Justice › archives

1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses | United States Department of Justice​

Interesting how none of the offenses listed would cover the case of an individual just crossing the border somewhere other than a port of entry.

 

[Laniakea]

So disband border security, your dreams can come true.

Or how about telling them to actually provide security for the American people instead of prioritizing the lawbreakers entering the country?

 

[Laniakea]

The razor wire is illegal.
The border patrol is supposed to be adhering to the law.

So are biden's people who are in charge of keeping illegals out. So much for adhering to the law being important.