Biden looking into yanking Trump’s access to intelligence briefings

[McBell]

Oh, I thought you were suggesting digging dirt on him if he opens his mouth about something unrelated... That would be different.

My apologies.
I can see where you can get that impression and that is not where I was going with it.

Trump refused to turn over his taxes.
Since it was merely tradition that newly elected Presidents turn over their taxes, Trump did not have to turn over his taxes.
In fact, Trump fought like hell to keep his taxes from being released.

That is all I was referring to.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They could feed him false intelligence. That seems so appropriate.

That probably would be good.
Let him leak faulty intel to Russia, China, and NK.

 

[Heyo]

Based on what, exactly?
Is it merely tradition to allow former Presidents to be included?
Is there some sort of legal precedent?

I don't know. But even if it is just tradition, it was Trumps m.o. to disregard traditions. And though I recommend to reciprocate to teach the pubs how their methods feel, there is the question if this is a case where that should start. IMO, make sure to be on legal ground.

 

[Sunstone]

And a bit paranoid. Trump hasn't read security briefings when he was PotUS. He might just agree to not receive that spam any more.

He most likely didn't look twice at the bust of Abraham Lincoln someone on his staff was recorded leaving the White House with while 'escorting it in their arms' to what we can only assume was 'a safer location'. Nevertheless, can we say it's possible the bust attracted his attention?

I have a feeling Trump's attention span improves remarkably if he spots any dollar signs to help him focus.

 

[Sunstone]

That probably would be good.
Let him leak faulty intel to Russia, China, and NK.

I didn't realize you had such a dry sense of sarcasm. I like it!

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it would be a misuse of power to exclude Trump from the briefings, as much as I agree with the dangers. That measure should not be taken by Biden alone but decided by the appropriate channels. Maybe get that impeachment thing through? That would be good basis.

I'm on board with that. Go through legal channels to exclude Trump.

If they don't, then how will such actions apply with future presidents?

People need foresight.

 

[Sunstone]

It merely points out the fact that Trump cares not about tradition.
If his being allowed access is merely tradition, then I say dump his *** like yesterdays garbage.

The point of allowing ex-presidents access to current intelligence is so they can be up to speed should the current president feel the need for the sort of advice that ex-presidents are usually more qualified to give them than most anyone else. I can imagine that might include tips on what works when dealing with foreign leaders and other high ranking officials. It's said to be largely about foreign relations.

I haven't heard there's a law says an ex-president must get it. There doesn't seem to be any necessary 'legal channels' to go through.

I don't think it would take anyone much Google time to get a good, working idea of the damage that could be done if even a fragment of a daily brief got into the wrong hands. Those things are said to pack top secrets together like sardines in a can.

It would be so irresponsible to let Trump 'get away with releasing one' before closing him down on the bleeding-heart notion anyone needs to be kind to the man. The one 'he got away with releasing' might be one that gets someone killed. Early in his presidency, Trump told a Russian diplomat enough to alarm many American allies about the safety and security of their spies. I don't know if this part is true, but people have said countries quickly cut off the US from some information they'd have in normal times passed along.

If in the future a Republican president takes office and decides to play partisan with who gets those briefings, well then they are cutting off their access to advice from former presidents who are up to date and ready to give it. If they are that big of fools, they aren't likely to ask for advice anyway.

Cut Trump off. That's a no brainier. What could it mean that Biden is dragging his heels on it?

 

[Altfish]

"Trump" and "Intelligence" in the same sentence always struck me as Fake News

 

[Revoltingest]

Past presidents are traditionally given intelligence briefings and access to classified information....​

This seems an odd practice. Unless former Presidents have
a working relationship with the new administration, they should
be cut off from such access. Trump didn't work with Biden
even during transition, so I don't expect his being useful now.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Yah... Trump has a bad habit of not being able to keep his mouth shut when it comes to sensitive information. He has already demonstrated this many times before... Definitely would benefit nothing to keep him informed, and he would only ever just be a liability.

Donald Trump's disclosures of classified information - Wikipedia

 

[Stevicus]

Past presidents are traditionally given intelligence briefings and access to classified information, but some Democratic critics of Trump have argued he should not be trusted with state secrets in the wake of the deadly US Capitol siege.

At Monday’s briefing, the same reporter pointed Psaki to “concerns among some Democrats” that Trump would either “misuse” the information “or leverage it to enrich himself.”

...

“There’s no circumstance in which this president should get another intelligence briefing, not now, not in the future,” House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told CBS’ “Face the Nation” last month.

“I don’t think he can be trusted with it now and in the future, he certainly can’t be trusted,” he went on.
​

https://nypost.com/2021/02/01/biden-considers-revoking-trump-access-to-intelligence-briefings/​

It's probably just as well. I can't see where Trump would have a need to know anymore.

 

[Audie]

It is incomprehensible that Trump is still getting intelligence briefings. The damage he could do to sources alone by divulging even hints and fragments of their contents could require weeks, months, maybe longer to assess. That much is public knowledge. The gods know what a briefing could be sold for.

This is the second or third bit of news since the inauguration that implies the senior Democratic leadership might be appallingly incompetent. Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and other key leaders are either basing some of their most significant and influential decisions on inside information so important and compelling it overshadows every publicly known fact -- which could indeed be the case -- or something is seriously wrong.

I have no idea which it is. But I can think of only one reason any responsible person would decide to continue sending Trump intelligence briefings. That's something I won't openly speculate about.

Strange times when my greatest hope for America some days is I'm too dumb to figure out what could possibly be going on. That's always given me hope. I just don't like it when it's all that gives me hope.

It is super easy to comprehend.
One could begin to detail the petty,
ridiculous incompetent and plain trashy
behaviour of the democratic opposition
to Trump-Hillarys paid for golden shower
dossier, pelosi tearing up his speech
and fumigation talk- shameful, childish,
inept, a disgrace.
Good freaking luck, America, you are going to
need it.

 

[Audie]

Yah... Trump has a bad habit of not being able to keep his mouth shut when it comes to sensitive information. He has already demonstrated this many times before... Definitely would benefit nothing to keep him informed, and he would only ever just be a liability.

Donald Trump's disclosures of classified information - Wikipedia

Be glad he can't. If he'd played Silent Cal,
he'd never have aroused the passionate
loathing required to rally a win for sleepy joe.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

They could feed him false intelligence. That seems so appropriate.

I was thinking along the same lines... but my thoughts were just some watered down version. False intelligence would be even more amazing though! Just think about it - if he acts on it, and you figure out that he's simply bound to, then you could easily use that channel to start rounding up the "bad guys" as they acted on the bad intel - all while you knew where they were going to be and when. And Trump gets nailed to the wall by anyone he shares it with. This is just win, win, win all around. Despite likely being illegal and unethical of course.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was thinking along the same lines... but my thoughts were just some watered down version. False intelligence would be even more amazing though! Just think about it - if he acts on it, and you figure out that he's simply bound to, then you could easily use that channel to start rounding up the "bad guys" as they acted on the bad intel - all while you knew where they were going to be and when. And Trump gets nailed to the wall by anyone he shares it with. This is just win, win, win all around. Despite likely being illegal and unethical of course.

I know. One teeny tiny objection. Ironically if Trump was still in power and Obama was suspect he would have advocated doing it anyway. His handlers had to rein him in on a daily basis.

 

[Sunstone]

It is super easy to comprehend.
One could begin to detail the petty,
ridiculous incompetent and plain trashy
behaviour of the democratic opposition
to Trump-Hillarys paid for golden shower
dossier, pelosi tearing up his speech
and fumigation talk- shameful, childish,
inept, a disgrace.
Good freaking luck, America, you are going to
need it.

That stuff doesn't sit well with me, either. It's a
struggle for me to keep in mind the purpose of such
behavior, given how appalling it is.

Theatrics, pettiness, etc. is an intrinsic part of politics
in every system on the planet.


Listen to any one of Stalin's speeches to a gathering
of party members. Theatrics 'all the way down'.

Find out what you can about the information regarding
his political enemies that J. R. Hoover found useful
to send F.B.I agents off on missions to find.

Bring along an air sickness bag when you go looking.

 

[Audie]

That stuff doesn't sit well with me, either. It's a
struggle for me to keep in mind the purpose of such
behavior, given how appalling it is.

Theatrics, pettiness, etc. is an intrinsic part of politics
in every system on the planet.


Listen to any one of Stalin's speeches to a gathering
of party members. Theatrics 'all the way down'.

Find out what you can about the information regarding
his political enemies that J. R. Hoover found useful
to send F.B.I agents off on missions to find.

Bring along an air sickness bag when you go looking.

Electing those democrats solved one problem by
substituting another.

Its a bit too cynical for my taste to think
such trashy people are the best you can do..

J Ed wise, I know about him.

 

[Sunstone]

Already did.

I see you have the basic survival skills required to
keep your sanity while becoming politically informed.

I forgot the bag.

'splains my state of mind ever since.

 

[Audie]

I see you have the basic survival skills required to
keep your sanity while becoming politically informed.

I forgot the bag.

'splains my state of mind ever since.

I hope I do, its getting scary here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't realize you had such a dry sense of sarcasm. I like it!

I have this picture in my head, of Trump being the little kid trying to be one of the grown ups, and trying to impress Putin and Xi with all the big boy secrets he knows.