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Biden makes no sense.

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Easy. Your beloved Biden is a racist himself.


So what do you think of that?
Did you track down the whole story? Did you find, for example, that Biden actually knew that this individual was a member of the KKK? Do you know of absolutely everything that the people around you do, or what they belong to, or what they write on their own time (perhaps even here, under the assumed name of an avatar)?

You are aware, I suppose, that politics make strange bedfellows -- this is unavoidable because coalitions must be formed and used. And I presume you are also aware that the kind of video that you linked is generally made up of lots and lots of bits and pieces, and crafted to do as much damage to the enemy (or as much good to the hero) as possible.

And even more important, did you do a "fact check?" I did: Fact check: Biden isn't with KKK grand wizard in photo
 

Rizdek

Member
As usual, watch the thread become about Trump.
On NPR the other day, Uncle Joe talked about
replacing "iridescent" light bulbs. He sure knows
technology.
2020 is the year of Dumb vs Dumber.

But of course it IS about Trump. Because the upcoming election is between Trump and Biden. So while we we're discussing one old guy who, as far as I'm concerned, is far to old to be trusted with the nation, I have to stack it up against another guy who is also old, but who is antagonistic, childish and a serial liar. But that's who we've got to pick from.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Did you track down the whole story? Did you find, for example, that Biden actually knew that this individual was a member of the KKK? Do you know of absolutely everything that the people around you do, or what they belong to, or what they write on their own time (perhaps even here, under the assumed name of an avatar)?

You are aware, I suppose, that politics make strange bedfellows -- this is unavoidable because coalitions must be formed and used. And I presume you are also aware that the kind of video that you linked is generally made up of lots and lots of bits and pieces, and crafted to do as much damage to the enemy (or as much good to the hero) as possible.

And even more important, did you do a "fact check?" I did: Fact check: Biden isn't with KKK grand wizard in photo
Oh yea. The fact check is correct. Byrd wasn't a grand wizard. He was just a simple kkk chapter leader. Clearly not the same thing at all.

As far as knowledge goes, I'm sure the left has convinced themselves that Biden, accursed with harmless naiveté had no knowledge whatsoever of Byrds affiliation and membership at the time the photo was taken, as Biden held Byrds hand in a powerful display of solidarity and friendship.

Incidently, are there any comparative photos available of Trump with David Duke? Just to balence things out properly.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Oh yea. The fact check is correct. Byrd wasn't a grand wizard. He was just a simple kkk chapter leader. Clearly not the same thing at all.

As far as knowledge goes, I'm sure the left has convinced themselves that Biden, accursed with harmless naiveté had no knowledge whatsoever of Byrds affiliation and membership at the time the photo was taken, as Biden held Byrds hand in a powerful display of solidarity and friendship.

Incidently, are there any comparative photos available of Trump with David Duke? Just to balence things out properly.
But you ignored the central question I asked -- how much did Biden know about the private life of Byrd, and how much do you know about the private lives of everybody around you? When you are engaged with them -- perhaps in sports, or debate clubs, or just friends at the pub -- your tendency is to believe they are who they say they are. But the fact is, the Unabomber had friends he drank with daily who had no idea about his secret self.

I once held hands with somebody who in fact was a convicted murderer. I almost made love to him. I did not know that he was a murderer -- it wasn't public knowledge, and nobody said anything to me. Do you think that makes me a rabid supporter of murderers? Or just somebody who found out facts too late to do anything about them?

Now, I will admit that it's possible that you have never in your life even been in the same county with somebody who has done something you wouldn't approve of, but the rest of us are kind of caught up in the middle of living...
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Not quite.
The thread is about Joe, but the anti-Trumpers cannot
face him & his problems, so they whatabout The Donald.
The pro-Trumpers don't object to my criticizing Trump,
But the antis rage against my criticizing their own.
Nobody on the left is reacting in any way what-so-ever about problems of Biden in this thread, because so far, nobody in this thread has broached the subject. All that the righties here have done is show a few poorly hacked together pieces of cutting room floor debris (to be kind).
Biden is old. Yeah. He is known for speaking his mind when it isn’t appropos. Sure. But the OP and other righties here are not discussing his problems. They’re just pigeons on a chess board. Its long since lost its appeal. :rolleyes:
Bring your A-game or go home.

Face it.

Your defending a status quo moron who cant put two sentences together as much as you accuse the right of doing the same thing.

Its called dishing it out but cannot take it whenever its fairly reversed where Uncle Joe justifiably gets called out.
Again, you’ve missed the point. :facepalm: Your President Chump is a pathetic loser as is demonstrated in unedited clips and full speaches, time and time again. Nothing here is “fairly reversed”.
Show us some real news and we can discuss and debate it. We don’t need to address these fresh slung piles of steaming bull****.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And you've never, ever used the wrong word when speaking? You must admit that iridescent is actually quite close to incandescent, and that kind of slip is extremely common.
"Genitals" is close to "generals" but I'd never confuse one with the other.
Both Biden & Trump are light in the gray matter department, & very weak
on technical knowledge.
I'm voting for neither this time, but for other reasons.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, it's about Joe. He is incoherent at times.

But Is he better or worst than Trump? That is the true basis of these discussions.

Anti-Trump supporters like myself can admit that Joe isn't the best candidate and has his flaws. However, I find it dishonest for a Trump supporter to make a criticism, when that same criticism applied to Trump is much worst.

So, I admit that Joe can be incoherent, and then moving on the discussion... How much worst or better is Trump. Do I need to pull out all the clips of him speaking nonsense, only for him and his party to deny he actually said it?

It's hypocritical to point the finger but yet, not admitting to the same faults.

Every presidential related thread will point back to Trump. Isolating this conversation to be only about Joe is, IMO, being just as dishonest.
Who would be better a better Prez....Joe or The Donald?
Joe's record of supporting wars is a problem.
Trump's nearly starting one with Iran is a problem.
Which is more intellectually capable?
Trump seems to have his wits more about him, but
they don't see much exercise. Joe is doddering.
USSC justice appointments...Trump's look better
than Joe's would be.
Civil liberties....Joe has the worse record.
Economy....I'd expect Joe to be an even greater
tax & spend Prez.
Managing civil strife, Joe is much better.

Reasonable could favor either, depending upon
how they weigh the pros & cons of each.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Its called being hypocritical. Its the signature stance of Bidens adoring left wing.

Flame Trump non stop, then accuse the right whenever Biden gets called out and exposed himself and deny deny deny.
I don't think they adore Biden.
It just looks that way cuz the hatred for Trump is so strong.

Come to think of it....
I can't think of any who actually likes Biden as a candidate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But of course it IS about Trump. Because the upcoming election is between Trump and Biden. So while we we're discussing one old guy who, as far as I'm concerned, is far to old to be trusted with the nation, I have to stack it up against another guy who is also old, but who is antagonistic, childish and a serial liar. But that's who we've got to pick from.
I've no argument against your assessment.
But there should be a discussion about Biden's mental
problems....something more than "Trump is worse".
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nobody on the left is reacting in any way what-so-ever about problems of Biden in this thread, because so far, nobody in this thread has broached the subject. .
The OP does broach it. But addressing should've
been given more attention during the primaries.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't think they adore Biden.
It just looks that way cuz the hatred for Trump is so strong.

Come to think of it....
I can't think of any who actually likes Biden as a candidate.
It just exemplifies just how messed and screwed up people are.

Putting a person one doesn't like, much less adore, and then proactively backing and endorsing that person as one's apex leader is nothing less than a form of collective mental illness/insanity imv. Its flat out irrational.

It makes me wonder now if we ever had a president that the entire country respected and adored as an apex leader.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
@exchemist
This is likely not the original CNN video.
When I p found it on YouTube, it is one of a collection of Republican propaganda videos, the channel is Donald J Trump ... also in the Trump War Room.
It was televised live. Its hard to fake something that was live and broadcasted. Too easy to debunk.

No. Biden actually said that with his own words.

Of course the Trump War Room is going to use the clip as with any other right wing source like Fox.

CNN probably will never show that themselves as with any other leftvwing source. They are just going to pretend it never happened.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
It was televised live. Its hard to fake something that was live and broadcasted. Too easy to debunk.

No. Biden actually said that with his own words.

Of course the Trump War Room is going to use the clip as with any other right wing source like Fox.

CNN probably will never show that themselves as with any other leftvwing source. They are just going to pretend it never happened.

At this point I have no reason to believe it did happen.
The video could easily have been doctored.
If there is no version with a reliable source ...
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
At this point I have no reason to believe it did happen.
The video could easily have been doctored.
If there is no version with a reliable source ...

Thats actually a growing problem. What to believe and trust.

There's no question the growing danger of deep fake technology by which my view is both, left and right isles will willingly utilize and employ.

I'm not surprised in this case, CNN will refuse to replay what was aired live here.
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Thats actually a growing problem. What to believe and trust.

There's no question the growing danger of deep fake technology by which my view is both, left and right isles will willingly utilize and employ.

I'm not surprised in this case, CNN will refuse to replay what was aired live here.

I would expect that some legitimate source would have it if it is real.
It would be newsworthy. Money is money.
So right now, I’d have to say ‘Busted’.
 

How can this not be a problem?
This is the full unedited video of his 30 minute speech.

Joe Biden Delivers Remarks on Public Safety and Law Enforcement | C-SPAN.org

If you listen to the whole thing, he makes a ton of sense, point after point, issue after issue, as he absolutely destroys Donald Trump.

Go ahead and listen and judge for yourself.

If you go to about the 13 minute mark, he does indeed stutter and trip over his words. Sorry fellow liberals - turns out that part was not faked, like other fake stuff the Trump campaign has put out.

But if you continue watching, he quickly recovers and continues laying out point after point demolishing Trump, better than I could. The “Trump War Room” doesn’t want you to see any of that.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This is the full unedited video of his 30 minute speech.

Joe Biden Delivers Remarks on Public Safety and Law Enforcement | C-SPAN.org

If you listen to the whole thing, he makes a ton of sense, point after point, issue after issue, as he absolutely destroys Donald Trump.

Go ahead and listen and judge for yourself.

If you go to about the 13 minute mark, he does indeed stutter and trip over his words. Sorry fellow liberals - turns out that part was not faked, like other fake stuff the Trump campaign has put out.

But if you continue watching, he quickly recovers and continues laying out point after point demolishing Trump, better than I could. The “Trump War Room” doesn’t want you to see any of that.
I will say this. Biden years ago was far more articulate then he is now, which is why its disconcerting that he has been chosen when his degradation is so obvious.

I tend to think the real reason is the selection of Harris whom I think/suspect is going to be a covert backdoor president. I dont see Biden finishing out a presidential term if elected, leaving Harris behind the reigns of power for the DNC, to actually run the country.
 
Here’s the full transcript of Joe Biden’s remarks. Can you find the part that “makes no sense”? It’s like a needle in a haystack of stuff that makes a TON of sense.

I want to thank Carnegie Mellon for providing this space and all the promise it holds for future jobs in the high tech world. In recent days, we’ve had a lot of talk about who’s going where and how I’ve decided to come to Pittsburgh to talk a little bit about what’s going on right now. In the early days of World War II, Franklin Roosevelt told the country, and I quote, “The news is going to get worse and worse before it gets better and better. And the American people deserve to have it straight from the shoulder.” Straight from the shoulder. The job of a president is to tell it straight from the shoulder, tell the truth, to be candid, to face facts, to lead, not to insight. That’s why I’m speaking to you today. The incumbant president is incapable of telling us the truth, incapable of facing the facts and incapable of healing. He doesn’t want to shed light, he wants to generate heat and he’s stroking violence in our cities.

Joe Biden: (01:12)
This is a tragic fact of the matter, how he’s dealing with this perilous hour in our nation. And now we have to stand against violence in every form it takes. Violence we’ve seen again and again and again, of unwarranted police shooting, excessive force, seven bullets in the back of Jacob Blake. Knee on the neck of George Floyd, killing of Breonna Taylor in her own apartment, violence of extremists and opportunists, right wing militias… And to derail any hope and support for progress, the senseless violence of looting and burning and destruction of property. I want to make it absolutely clear, so I’m going to be very clear about all of this, rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It’s lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It’s wrong in every way. It divides instead of unites, destroys businesses, only hurts the working families that serve the community. It makes things worse across the board, not better.

Joe Biden: (02:42)
It’s not what Dr. King or John Lewis taught and it must end. Fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames rather than fighting the flames. But we must not burn, we have to build. This president, long ago, forfeited any moral leadership in this country. He can’t stop the violence because for years he’s fomented it. He may believe mouthing the words law and order makes him strong. But his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an armed militia in this country shows how weak he is. Does anyone believe there’ll be less violence in America if Donald Trump is reelected?

Joe Biden: (03:30)
We need justice in America. We need safety in America. We’re facing multiple crises. Crises that under Donald Trump have kept multiplying. COVID, economic devastation, unwarranted police violence, [inaudible 00:03:48] white nationalists, a reckoning on race, declining faith in the birth of the right American future. There’s no reason why we can’t just do so much more than we’re doing. The common threat, the incumbent president who makes things worse, not better, an incumbent president who sows chaos rather than providing order. An incumbent president who fails in the basic duty of the job, which is to advance the truth that all of us know, that we’re all born with the right to life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness. That’s right. All of us, the moms and dads in Scranton, where I grew up, who have worked and scraped for everything they’ve ever gotten in life.

Joe Biden: (04:34)
The auto worker in Michigan, who still makes the best automobile in the world, single mom in Ohio, working three jobs just to stay afloat who’ll do anything for her child. Retired veteran in Florida who gave everything he had to this country. And now just wants us to honor the promises made to him. [inaudible 00:04:58] salesperson who just lost their job. A store closing after 194 years in business. Nurses and doctors in Wisconsin who’ve seen so much sickness, so much death in the past six months. And they wonder how much more can they take, but still they muster up the courage to take care of those patients in this pandemic while risking their own lives. Researchers in Minnesota who woke up this morning determined to find a breakthrough in treating cancer and who’ll do the same thing tomorrow and the day after and the day after, because she’ll never give up. White, Black, Latino, Asian American, Native Americans, everybody, I’m in this campaign for you. No matter your color, no matter your zip code, no matter your politics.

Joe Biden: (05:51)
When I think of the presidency, I don’t think about myself. It isn’t about my brand. It’s about you, the American people. We can do better and we have to do better. I promise you this. We will do better. The road back begins now in this campaign. You know me, you know my heart, you know my story, my family story. Ask yourself, do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters? Really? I want a safe America, safe from COVID, safe from crime and looting, safe from racially motivated violence, safe from bad cops. Let me be crystal clear, safe from four more years of Donald Trump. I look at this violence and I see lives and communities and the dreams of small businesses being destroyed and the opportunity for real progress on issues of race and police reform and justice being put to the test. Donald Trump looks at this violence and he sees a political lifeline. Having failed to protect this nation from the virus that has killed more than 180,000 Americans so far, Trump posts an all caps tweet, screaming, “Law and order,” to save his campaign.

Joe Biden: (07:23)
One of his closest political advisers in the White House doesn’t even bother to speak in code, just comes out and she says it. “The more chaos, violence, the better it is for Trump’s reelection.” Just think about that. This is a sitting president of the United States of America. He’s supposed to be protecting this country, but instead he’s rooting for chaos and violence. The simple truth is Donald Trump failed to protect America. So now he’s trying to scare America. Since Donald Trump and Mike Prince can’t run on their record that has seen more American death to a virus, this virus, then the nation suffered in every war since Korea combined, since they can’t run on their economy that has seen more people lose their jobs than any time since the Great Depression, since they can’t run on a simple proposition of sending our children safely back to school, since they have no agenda or vision for a second term, Trump and Pence are running on this.

Joe Biden: (08:36)
And I find it fascinating. “You won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America.” And what’s their proof? The violence we’re seeing in Donald Trump’s America. These are not images of some imagined Joe Biden America in the future. These are images of Donald Trump’s America today. He keeps telling you if only he was president, it wouldn’t happen. If he was president. He keeps telling us that he was president you’d feel safe. Well he is president. Whether he knows it or not, and it is happening, it’s getting worse. And you know why? Because Donald Trump adds fuel to every fire because he refuses to even acknowledge that there’s a racial justice problem in America because he won’t stand up to any form of violence. He’s got no problem with right-wing militia, white supremacists, and vigilantes with assault weapons often better armed than the police. Often in the middle of the violence at the protestors and aiming it there. And because tens of millions of Americans simply don’t trust this president to respect their rights, to hear their concerns or to protect them. It doesn’t have to be this way.

Joe Biden: (09:55)
When President Obama and I were in the White House, we had to defend federal property. We did it. We didn’t see it. You didn’t see us whipping up fears around the deployment of secret federal troops. We just did our job and the federal property was protected.
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Source: Joe Biden Pittsburgh Speech Transcript August 31 - Rev
 
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