Biden makes no sense.

[Revoltingest]

I see. I presume you don't see Trump as better in this respect, though, do you?

No, not better.
Hence my choice for November 2020.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"Genitals" is close to "generals" but I'd never confuse one with the other.
Both Biden & Trump are light in the gray matter department, & very weak
on technical knowledge.
I'm voting for neither this time, but for other reasons.

Well of course, you must vote according to your own lights -- nobody can gainsay you that, nor should we try.

For me, I sometimes wonder whether the old Greek notion of "Philosopher Kings" (very intelligent rulers) is all that important. I'd rather have somebody who has a bit of common sense, some dignity, and an ability and willingness to listen to the experts where technical matters are concerned. It was once not so hard to be the "renaissance man," knowing something of everything, because there wasn't all that much to know. There's too much now, and nobody can manage it all.

And on that score -- though of course I cannot vote -- Biden beats Trump hands-down.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This is the full unedited video of his 30 minute speech.

Joe Biden Delivers Remarks on Public Safety and Law Enforcement | C-SPAN.org

If you listen to the whole thing, he makes a ton of sense, point after point, issue after issue, as he absolutely destroys Donald Trump.

Go ahead and listen and judge for yourself.

If you go to about the 13 minute mark, he does indeed stutter and trip over his words. Sorry fellow liberals - turns out that part was not faked, like other fake stuff the Trump campaign has put out.

But if you continue watching, he quickly recovers and continues laying out point after point demolishing Trump, better than I could. The “Trump War Room” doesn’t want you to see any of that.

Thank you for digging that up and posting it.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As far as just Biden goes, I agree that he doesn't sound good. He seems unable to finish words/sentences/thoughts. It seems he doesn't recollect things clearly when speaking extemporaneously. Sometimes it's hard to tell how much of his difficulty is due to some sort of motor speech problem vs a mental problem. I wish he wasn't the Dem candidate.

Did you listen to the full 30 minutes, rather than just 12 seconds? He finishes very many sentences, generally quite well.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well of course, you must vote according to your own lights -- nobody can gainsay you that, nor should we try.

Actually, I welcome attempts to change votes....so long
as they're reasoned & insult free. Could be interesting.

For me, I sometimes wonder whether the old Greek notion of "Philosopher Kings" (very intelligent rulers) is all that important. I'd rather have somebody who has a bit of common sense, some dignity, and an ability and willingness to listen to the experts where technical matters are concerned. It was once not so hard to be the "renaissance man," knowing something of everything, because there wasn't all that much to know. There's too much now, and nobody can manage it all.

And on that score -- though of course I cannot vote -- Biden beats Trump hands-down.

I don't know who would be best.
The only thing I'm sure of is that Jorgensen will lose.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And then... what? The two party monopoly unexpectedly cracks open and new mainstream parties magically drop from the sky?
People start voting Libertarians, Greens and Communists into offices for no reason?

All third parties should have access. The Democrats and Republicans both intentionally rigged the system to be so difficult, if not impossible, that no multiple parties can enter.

 

[Tambourine]

All third parties should have access. The Democrats and Republicans both intentionally rigged the system to be so difficult, if not impossible, that no multiple parties can enter.

What exactly prevents third parties from being on a ballot in the US?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You have failed to demonstrate Trump is any kind of person to address the problems of the country as the bottom line. How about healthcare?

Remember you started this thread with a dishonest bogus edited film clip.

No its not bogus. Its genuine.

Givin the hostile political climate, I doubt Trump could succeed on issues like Healthcare among others. I doubt Biden could either for the same reasons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What exactly prevents third parties from being on a ballot in the US?

Why America Is Stuck With Only Two Parties

Snippet:

First, the rules are rigged against any new political party getting ballot lines in all 50 states in time for 2020. Second, there’s no mass movement searching for a new party vehicle. And third, the idea of a self-financing billionaire popular enough to get around obstacles one and two is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Rizdek]

Did you listen to the full 30 minutes, rather than just 12 seconds? He finishes very many sentences, generally quite well.

No...do you have a link? I don't know which speech this was.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Biden was not even remotely responsible for employment
levels in Ameristan. He was simply second banana to
Obama at the time. But if one were to credit him for
the economy, then he'd own the extremely slow recovery
in those 8 years. But that too would be a facile connection.

Instead, look at what he personally effected. The 1994
Crime Bill was his baby, & he owns its consequences.

As you said the Crime Bill has been around since 1994. That didn’t cause chaos during Biden’s term as VP and it’s not why Trump has failed to contain the chaos we are seeing during his term as president. Biden is trying to fix the problems we are seeing while Trump pours fuel on every fire.

 

[shunyadragon]

No its not bogus. Its genuine.

Givin the hostile political climate, I doubt Trump could succeed on issues like Healthcare among others. I doubt Biden could either for the same reasons.

Did not address the issue of Trump and the Republicans on health care, and the issue the senate Republicans blocked funding for Veteran healthcare.

 

[shunyadragon]

Did you track down the whole story? Did you find, for example, that Biden actually knew that this individual was a member of the KKK? Do you know of absolutely everything that the people around you do, or what they belong to, or what they write on their own time (perhaps even here, under the assumed name of an avatar)?

You are aware, I suppose, that politics make strange bedfellows -- this is unavoidable because coalitions must be formed and used. And I presume you are also aware that the kind of video that you linked is generally made up of lots and lots of bits and pieces, and crafted to do as much damage to the enemy (or as much good to the hero) as possible.

And even more important, did you do a "fact check?" I did: Fact check: Biden isn't with KKK grand wizard in photo

I lived in West Virginia and met Robert Byrd. He is a fine upstanding gentleman that took the heat supporting Civil Rights legislation when the South was stonewalling trying to prevent it. When he was young he joined the KKK and then resigned and apologized. The slanderous low blow Republican ad obviously did not tell the whole story.

I wanted to add that Robert Byrd plays a mean country fiddle.

In fact I have not found a Republican ad the did not fudge the truth or down right lie.

 

[Revoltingest]

As you said the Crime Bill has been around since 1994. That didn’t cause chaos during Biden’s term as VP and it’s not why Trump has failed to contain the chaos we are seeing during his term as president. Biden is trying to fix the problems we are seeing while Trump pours fuel on every fire.

Trump has his failings too.
Comparing both is fraught with complexities.

 

[shunyadragon]

Why America Is Stuck With Only Two Parties

Snippet:

First, the rules are rigged against any new political party getting ballot lines in all 50 states in time for 2020. Second, there’s no mass movement searching for a new party vehicle. And third, the idea of a self-financing billionaire popular enough to get around obstacles one and two is a contradiction in terms.

Having only two parties evolved out of our history and that of our forefathers of Great Britain, which traditionally had two parties. Yes there have been attempts at third parties, and occasionally morphed into a two party system, but the adversarial two party remains and likely will be with us for a very long time.

 

[Shadow Link]

How can this not be a problem?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Having only two parties evolved out of our history and that of our forefathers of Great Britain, which traditionally had two parties. Yes there have been attempts at third parties, and occasionally morphed into a two party system, but the adversarial two party remains and likely will be with us for a very long time.

Largely thanks to Hamilton and Madison.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Trump has his failings too.
Comparing both is fraught with complexities.

Yes. It’s like comparing apples to race-baiting, xenophobic bigoted lying ignorant narcissistic oranges.

 

[shunyadragon]

Largely thanks to Hamilton and Madison.

I avoid living in the nostalgia of the past, and deal with the matter of fact present. We have a two party system simply as a matter of fact. Remember it was the Republicans who first took the stand of "No Compromise" lead by the "Conservative Evangelicals" and painted the Democrats in extreme leftist and socialist terms that lead to stone walls of today. The Democrats will never elect a Burnie Sanders, he is not as extreme as Republicans paint him.

 

[Thief]

How can this not be a problem?

Putin will have Biden for breakfast

and then throw up