• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Biden Out!

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
How about Harris? She seems to keep a pretty low profile, at least that’s how it seems outside of the US. Gives a general impression of being a bit rabbit in the headlights. Is she up to the job?
A dead donkey would be better than Trump, so a 'rabbit in the headlights' would be much better. I heard an ex Republican on the BBC the other night (before Biden stepped down), saying that he'd vote for Biden over Trump even if he was 110 years old and in a coma, and "it wouldn't even be a close call". It really isn't just the lefty liberals that think Trump is running a dangerous cult, and threatens American democracy, and could well threaten to destabilise the entire western, democratic world.

Those of us outside the US, who value democracy, are scared too.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
After some thought what Biden and the Democrat party did is heroic. They listen to the public and there party members. Yes I'm sure money was an issue but the money was being stopped because of the people. The Republicans are already looking bad and now they want to force a Man that made a hard decision for the better of the country and party to resign, when there own party has the same problem and they refuse to listen. Even though Haley left the primary and support Trump she was still getting large numbers of votes. The general public does not want Biden or Trump. The Democrats are proving that they listen while the Republicans are proving that they are just bullies.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I wouldn't resent the teacher at all in that situation, but I'm wondering whether enough voters would to have a tangible effect on the election. Hopefully not, since all of Biden's likely replacements would be a major improvement over Trump either way.
I think what's key here is that for months, we here at RF and voters I've listened to (except the rabid MAGAs) have been chaffing at having to choose between the lesser of two evils. That's never really a good place to be. Now, if Harris can a) win the Democratic nomination and b) put together a platform with some real stuff in it, that could change dramatically -- and I believe that most people would rather cast their vote for something than against it. That would also hold true for anyone else the Democrats might nominate, but it will be harder for anyone else than for Harris -- she can spend the 100+ million raised for the Biden/Harris campaign, and she has at least one foot in the White House already (incumbency matters).

I think that we are going to see a sea change in the race over the next 106 days. I think a lot of Democrats are going to feel more comfortable with Harris or any other nominee, as are quite a few independents and even some centrist Republicans.
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
You're a big fan of, raping women, cheating contractors,
opposing vaccination, increasing the deficit, fewer civil
liberties, committing treason, killing Muslims, & bad haircuts?
Not everyone will share your views, and how arrogant are you to criticise people for having an opposing view.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Yep. Trump (like Farage, LePen, Meloni, Orban etc) is only a symptom. The underlying problem is the millions of people willing to be taken in by populist rhetoric.
What's really odd about Trump, even amongst all these unpleasant people, is that he's so obviously dumb, ignorant, and childish, and his lies are so blatant, barefaced, and often totally unnecessary for his cause (just ego boosting, maybe?)

In the UK, Farage is clearly lying, but he does so in a way that you'd have to actually fact-check to be sure, and often just by omission, like he'd get net immigration to zero without any hint as to how he might do it and who would do the jobs that are currently only filled by immigrants.

They are all using the normal far-right tactics of scapegoating minorities, offering simplistic solutions to complex problems, and making unrealistic promises that they could never keep, but Trump is something else.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
What's really odd about Trump, even amongst all these unpleasant people, is that he's so obviously dumb, ignorant, and childish, and his lies are so blatant, barefaced, and often totally unnecessary for his cause (just ego boosting, maybe?)

In the UK, Farage is clearly lying, but he does so in a way that you'd have to actually fact-check to be sure, and often just by omission, like he'd get net immigration to zero without any hint as to how he might do it and who would do the jobs that are currently only filled by immigrants.

They are all using the normal far-right tactics of scapegoating minorities, offering simplistic solutions to complex problems, and making unrealistic promises that they could never keep, but Trump is something else.


Yeah, Trump’s something else alright. He’s like one of those characters from the old western movies, who shows up selling snake oil from the back of his wagon. His audience knows he’s selling snake oil, but what they’re really buying is the show; and he’s nothing if not a showman. In a country where art, sport and politics are all about showbusiness, that goes a long away.

It’s a cultural thing, really. Nigel Farage dresses like an English country gent, because he understands instinctively that many British people lap that stuff up. Pointing out that a wealthy, public school educated former currency trader, is a strange champion of working class interests, ignores the centuries of forelock tugging our “betters” which pervades the culture of these islands.

In Italy and France, the far right made advances when they toned down the obvious fascism, and started wearing crisp business suits. Packaging matters, basically, however rotten the commodity being sold.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I apologize to all for the soliciting/advertising & off-topic spam of the OP.
 
Last edited:

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How about Harris? She seems to keep a pretty low profile, at least that’s how it seems outside of the US. Gives a general impression of being a bit rabbit in the headlights. Is she up to the job?
I don't really have an impression of her yet.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Politicians don't cater to anyone but their donors. They pander to everyone else and then do whatever their donors tell them once elected.
So just a general complaint, eh.
But expressed as accusation of crimes.
All without evidence.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
After some thought what Biden and the Democrat party did is heroic. They listen to the public and there party members. Yes I'm sure money was an issue but the money was being stopped because of the people. The Republicans are already looking bad and now they want to force a Man that made a hard decision for the better of the country and party to resign, when there own party has the same problem and they refuse to listen. Even though Haley left the primary and support Trump she was still getting large numbers of votes. The general public does not want Biden or Trump. The Democrats are proving that they listen while the Republicans are proving that they are just bullies.
It's worse than that. many tens of millions of
Republican, Magas, & even independents
want Trump as President.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
After some thought what Biden and the Democrat party did is heroic. They listen to the public and there party members. Yes I'm sure money was an issue but the money was being stopped because of the people. The Republicans are already looking bad and now they want to force a Man that made a hard decision for the better of the country and party to resign, when there own party has the same problem and they refuse to listen. Even though Haley left the primary and support Trump she was still getting large numbers of votes. The general public does not want Biden or Trump. The Democrats are proving that they listen while the Republicans are proving that they are just bullies.
The (D) media tried to hide Biden’s decline. Even Harris worked to dispel concerns, but the debate showed the truth!
 

Wirey

Fartist
While I'm glad Biden did this, it looks like the nomination process may devolve into a sideshow. Joe Manchin was on CNN this morning claiming that there were centrist Democrats pushing him to run as the candidate because it was time for "a new generation", embodied by a 76 year old who already quit the party once.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The biggest threat to Democracy is Socialism, which makes the Left the real threat against Democracy. Democracy is best supported with a strong economy and jobs, since a good job allows for independence in our pursuit of happiness. If one is beholden to the Government for support, you do not have many choices other than what Big Brother chooses for you; electric cars but no other option. Centralize planning interfering in the economy is Socialism. Democracy needs freedom market competition to provide a wide range of jobs and choices; electric, gas and hydrogen cars and all the direct jobs and support jobs for the wages needed to support these choices and the competition needed for each choice to evolve in quality.

Biden had not been himself for years, yet the elite in the Democrat Socialist Republic ran a con job, with their propaganda wing in the legacy and social media. How many thought he was fine up to a few weeks ago? Who drank the kool-aid? Who was actually in charge and what happen to the Democratic vote that nominated the Biden and Harris ticket? Democracy was just overrun by the Socialist elite.

Big Brother Socialists will ignore that Democratic vote; will of the people, and will now let the upper level socialist management do what it best for themselves. This change was about protecting their own power. Your job as a socialist minion is to bend over and take it. Then again, before Biden got the popular vote in the spring, no other candidate was allowed to run; sabotaged and strong armed all possible campaigns. RF Kennedy Jr tried to keep it Democratic, but was not even given secret service protection to shut down his choice for Democracy. There never was a choice other than what the Socialists Big brothers and Big Mama Pelosi, had already decided.

Trump is a businessman who is running on the needs of the working class; jobs and low inflation. Working people come from all parties. A strong working class means a strong middle class, which is the litmus test for Democracy. The choice in November is Democracy versus Socialism and I think Democracy, after declining the last four years, has decided Socialism is a down grade and will vote it out.

Right now because of the US National Debt and the interest on the National debt the US Government gives the tax payer about a -22.7% rate of return. That Government is the worse investment in the history of Governments. We need to restructure Government so it is not such a rip off populated by unqualified people more concerned with central socialized power.

I would send most of the Fed agencies back to the States along with the federal tax dollars that each state provides. Other than a few Liberal States, most know how to balance their budgets and offer a better rate of return on your tax dollar investment. That is another path toward Democracy and away from the bloated incompetence of a few Socialist overlords who place their power before service.

The Constitution says the Federal government is to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare. Provide and promote are two different things. The Federal government was not told to provide for the general welfare. The needs of the general welfare should go back to the states, with the Fed promoting by offering suggestions after examining the 50 experiments the states provide. The military, the intelligence services, border security, and other police agencies is what the fed will provide for.

One way the Fed can promote the general welfare is to lease public lands for mineral and energy production, thereby gaining revenue for a positive rate of return and to pay down the debt. Cheap energy lowers all prices and allows everyone to have more to spend. This is the simple fix that can turn this around; reduce prices makes your wages go farther like a pay increase.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I wonder how things would shake out if Harris picked a blue state Republican for her VP (if any would accept.) Someone centrist or just a tad bit left of center (if they exist.) Could be a signal to the electorate that MAGA is not welcome at the table, but other Republicans are. It may also send the signal that we need to get over our hatred of the other side and start working together for the good of the country.

Haven't thought through the implications of this, so looking for feedback.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
The (D) media tried to hide Biden’s decline. Even Harris worked to dispel concerns, but the debate showed the truth!
Yes, conservatives have said for a while there was something wrong with Biden and even tried to show the decline and that was "fact checked" as deep fakes by the dem media. Now they think they have a winner in Harris. Their judgement of candidates has been bad due to their Trump hatred and they will find out no one trusts Harris. She comes across as a person who thinks they are smart but are really not. Her approval rating is 38.6, Bidens is 38.5. Trumps is higher at 41.7. Harris received no delegates in the 2020 primaries and had to drop out quickly. The best thing for Trump is if biden stays in office and Harris runs, if these things happen I believe Trump will win.
 
Top