Biden, Pence and Trump.... the tale of the classified documents

[We Never Know]

Both men were not aware they were there. For a person to be held accountable for a crime they have to be the one that did it, or were part of a conspiracy. There's no evidence of either being responsible for the documents. Is it a crime to not going through boxes to check for government documents? As far as the reporting says neither know how they ended up in personal documents. And they certainly were not highly classified documents like what is reported to be in Trump's possession.

The same was for the Clinton email issue. She was not aware there were classified materials attached to the emails, as all classified materials were sent to het by others. She forwarded some of those documents. At the time there was no law that government officials couldn't use private servers. That law came after her case.

"For a person to be held accountable for a crime they have to be the one that did it,"
"There's no evidence of either being responsible for the documents"

So they were planted in their houses by someone else and not taken home by them?

But its good to see you even making excuses for a republican lol

 

[SomeRandom]

"For a person to be held accountable for a crime they have to be the one that did it,"
"There's no evidence of either being responsible for the documents"

So they were planted in their houses by someone else and not taken home by them?

I’m curious.
Is forgetting you have secret documents (which is a dumb thing to do, obviously) a crime in the US?
If you’re president, I mean
Like the amount these guys must be handed is surely obscene, given your secret service and military efforts. Internationally speaking. So forgetting a few documents in one’s possession is surely not an unheard of thing??

 

[We Never Know]

I’m curious.
Is forgetting you have secret documents (which is a dumb thing to do, obviously) a crime in the US?
If you’re president, I mean
Like the amount these guys must be handed is surely obscene, given your secret service and military efforts. Internationally speaking. So forgetting a few documents in one’s possession is surely not an unheard of thing??

"Is forgetting you have secret documents (which is a dumb thing to do, obviously) a crime in the US?
If you’re president, I mean"

I don't know. But neither were president in the timeline of the documents they had. Most of, if not all of Bidens were from when he was vice president, like Pence.
Which means Biden had his since pre 2016/17

 

[SomeRandom]

"Is forgetting you have secret documents (which is a dumb thing to do, obviously) a crime in the US?
If you’re president, I mean"

I don't know. But neither were president in the timeline of the documents they had. Most of, if not all of Bidens were from when he was vice president, like Pence.
Which means Biden had his since pre 2016/17

Does this matter?
Again I’m not American so I’m unfamiliar with your laws

 

[Twilight Hue]

"For a person to be held accountable for a crime they have to be the one that did it,"
"There's no evidence of either being responsible for the documents"

So they were planted in their houses by someone else and not taken home by them?

But its good to see you even making excuses for a republican lol

It's clear Democrats are interfering with the election.

Biden and Pence obviously were never asked to return them at all. Trump was, and it was purposefully and intentionally timed in an election year.

Granted however, Trump should of complied and returned them and save some headaches.

 

[wellwisher]

I made this post on a thread yesterday but its seems my post fell victim to the groundhog day disappearance. So I thought I would make it into a thread.....

Biden, Pence and Trump all three had classified documents in unsecure ares that they shouldn't have had.

Biden and Pence claimed they didn't know, stuck to that, cooperated and the records were returned/retrieved (some through a consent to search) with no problem.

Trump knew he had some, denied/lied he had them, tried to get others to lie about them, didn't cooperate, had to have search warrants served to retrieve them, etc.


Now Biden and Pence when compared to Trump don't look bad..... Maybe Trumps actions even helped them look better.

Bottom line is they all three had classified documents in unsecure area's that they shouldn't have had.... Therefore they all three, in reality, commited the same offense.

Should Biden and Pence be given a pass?

Only the President has board authority to declassify any document, and therefore only Trump is in the clear. Trump can use the Bill Clinton executive order defense as a precedent accepted by the Democrats in the 1990's.

On November 10, 1994, President Clinton issued an Executive order that declassified, in bulk, a selection of classified records within the National Archives. This unprecedented Order declassified approximately 45 million pages or 14% of the National Archives holdings of classified material, including classified holdings through the end of World War II, and an equal number dating into the 1970s.

Biden is the worse case since he had classified documents as far back as his days in the Senate and as VP under Obama, many of which were not even in a secure location; his garage and in China Town. Biden did not have any executive authority when took this classified information, unless ex presidents Clinton and Obama declassified these, so Biden could share in their influence peddling businesses.

Say Trump had secure documents that contained intelligence; spy, proof, against the Swamp. The Criminals want that proof so they can destroy it or make it disappear. Trump, as President can declassify this information and secure it, so justice can be served in the future. Say he did not trust the National Archives since the Swamp has people inside there, also. Trump would be enforcing the law by securing the data, avoiding all the criminals, until the time they can be brought to justice.

Say the crooks got nervous about the release of this data, and decided to raid Trump's house and steal all these secure documents, under the guise of enforcing laws, that they themselves do not obey. Biden was in charge of the raid, and he had to know he still had loads of classified materials in his possession, many dating back decades, before he had any executive power to declassify data. I am not sure if Biden can declassify after the fact, which nobody has used as a defense for Biden.

Maybe Biden can use the Hilary Clinton precedent and just ignore the law, destroy evidence, and be in contempt of Congress, and the Swamp and dual justice system will make it go away.

We need to look at the bigger picture, and not let the swamp narrow your brain to a mini-game scam inside their larger criminal game.

 

[We Never Know]

Only the President has board authority to declassify any document, and therefore only Trump is in the clear. Trump can use the Bill Clinton executive order defense as a precedent accepted by the Democrats in the 1990's.

On November 10, 1994, President Clinton issued an Executive order that declassified, in bulk, a selection of classified records within the National Archives. This unprecedented Order declassified approximately 45 million pages or 14% of the National Archives holdings of classified material, including classified holdings through the end of World War II, and an equal number dating into the 1970s.

Biden is the worse case since he had classified documents as far back as his days in the Senate and as VP under Obama, many of which were not even in a secure location; his garage and in China Town. Biden did not have any executive authority when took this classified information, unless ex presidents Clinton and Obama declassified these, so Biden could share in their influence peddling businesses.

Say Trump had secure documents that contained intelligence; spy, proof, against the Swamp. The Criminals want that proof so they can destroy it or make it disappear. Trump, as President can declassify this information and secure it, so justice can be served in the future. Say he did not trust the National Archives since the Swamp has people inside there, also. Trump would be enforcing the law by securing the data, avoiding all the criminals, until the time they can be brought to justice.

Say the crooks got nervous about the release of this data, and decided to raid Trump's house and steal all these secure documents, under the guise of enforcing laws, that they themselves do not obey. Biden was in charge of the raid, and he had to know he still had loads of classified materials in his possession, many dating back decades, before he had any executive power to declassify data. I am not sure if Biden can declassify after the fact, which nobody has used as a defense for Biden.

Maybe Biden can use the Hilary Clinton precedent and just ignore the law, destroy evidence, and be in contempt of Congress, and the Swamp and dual justice system will make it go away.

We need to look at the bigger picture, and not let the swamp narrow your brain to a mini-game scam inside their larger criminal game.

Trump should have wrote the executive order instead of just thinking it.

 

[tytlyf]

It's clear Democrats are interfering with the election.

That's clear only to conservative media viewers. That's the manufactured outrage.
What IS clear is that Democrats want Trump to be the nominee.
This has nothing to do with the election.

 

[We Never Know]

That's clear only to conservative media viewers. That's the manufactured outrage.
What IS clear is that Democrats want Trump to be the nominee.
This has nothing to do with the election.

IMO its clear the dems want Trump gone, out of politics. The two failed impeachments are evidence of that. One impeachment they openly admitted they knew they couldn't win but wasted time doing it anyway.

 

[fantome profane]

Only the President has board authority to declassify any document

And the Vice President. Everyone forgets that.

 

[F1fan]

"For a person to be held accountable for a crime they have to be the one that did it,"
"There's no evidence of either being responsible for the documents"

So they were planted in their houses by someone else and not taken home by them?

Why ask that? Are you unaware that high level politicians have staffers that handle a lot of their documents? This is why there was a big emphasis on the fact that Trump knew what was in his boxes, and that he personally packed many of them.

But its good to see you even making excuses for a republican lol

Why do you think I'm making excuses?

 

[We Never Know]

Why ask that? Are you unaware that high level politicians have staffers that handle a lot of their documents? This is why there was a big emphasis on the fact that Trump knew what was in his boxes, and that he personally packed many of them.

Why do you think I'm making excuses?

You claim as fact that both Pence and Biden didn't know. They claim they didnt know but we don't know if they knew or not.

Don't you think since they saw what was going on with Trump that "I didnt know" would be their best answer/defense?

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's clear only to conservative media viewers. That's the manufactured outrage.
What IS clear is that Democrats want Trump to be the nominee.
This has nothing to do with the election.

It has everything to do with the election.

 

[F1fan]

It's clear Democrats are interfering with the election.

Explain your accusation, and use facts.

Biden and Pence obviously were never asked to return them at all.

No one knew they were missing and in storage. The documents were found ONLY after a search was made, and only as an effort given how easily Trump walked away with hundreds. In the Biden and pence cases these were misplaced documents, and were not known to be missing. The Trump case is one where he deliberatey removed documents, much like other people who have been arrested and convicted. The difference is intent.

Trump was, and it was purposefully and intentionally timed in an election year.

No, the Trump case has been ongoing since 2017 if you follow the reputable reporting. Trump was given numerous chances to return the documents but did not cooperate. If it was anyone else they would have been searched and arrested way sooner, but for Trump, Mr. Delay, he used his lawyers and his old position as president to delay the legal process. But as we know the law has finally been catching up to him. If he had followed the law, not be corrupt, he would not be facing all these legal issues, both criminal and civil. You seem to want to see Trump keep getting away with it. I don't see you wanting other criminals to be let go.

Granted however, Trump should of complied and returned them and save some headaches.

And the legal process. He's not a very smart man. Reporting reveals that he has been ignoring legal advice for non-lawyer advice, thus more of his lawyers have been resigning. How many more mistakes of judgment does Trump have to make before you realize he just isn't all that smart?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You claim as fact that both Pence and Biden didn't know. They claim they didnt know but we don't know if they knew or not.

Don't you think since they saw what was going on with Trump that "I didnt know" would be their best answer/defense?

Anybody who is so unfathomably reckless with classified materials and so incredibly inept as to forget where they are or where went to needs to be impeached and removed out of office asap. Biden is clearly a danger to national security.as much a people say Trump is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

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Explain your accusation, and use facts.

The fact is Biden wasn't asked for decades and throughout several elections.

Trump was asked just before the 2024 election season and well timed.


It dosent get any more factual than that.

 

[F1fan]

IMO its clear the dems want Trump gone, out of politics.

Don't forget Chris Christie, and some other more rational republicans. If Nikki Haley wanted Trump she wouldn't be running against him. Nor would any of the other republicans running for the nomination. Most of them are cowards and afraid of Trump's insults, so they won't say much against him in public.

The two failed impeachments are evidence of that. One impeachment they openly admitted they knew they couldn't win but wasted time doing it anyway.

The grounds for imveachment were valid, and it's only because republicans have become an unethical organization that MOST, not all, didn't vote against him. And you seem to forget McConnell, and even McCarthy, went on long tirades against Trump after Jan 6. Their justification for not impeaching him then was because he was voted out and leaving anyway.

 

[F1fan]

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The fact is Biden wasn't asked for decades and throughout several elections.

It was never an issue. No one knew there were a few documents mistakenly packed in boxes. They were safe from spies becuase no one expected there were a few misplaced documents in some arbitrary box. Trump had many, mnay boxes stacked on a stage, in a bathroom, and avaliable for anyone to come grab. If anything this tells us we need better tracking of documents. But over the many years and tens of thousands of documents there were only a few misplaced. Trump took many hundreds deliberately, and hid them from the FBI.

I don't really blame Trump, he was never fit to be president. I blame conservative voters who are unfit to vote if this is who they select.

Trump was asked just before the 2024 election season and well timed.

Trump should have thought about that before he committed crimes against the United States of America. Just more evidence the guy is unfit.

It dosent get any more factual than that.

Your bias isn't factual.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It was never an issue. No one knew there were a few documents mistakenly packed in boxes. They were safe from spies becuase no one expected there were a few misplaced documents in some arbitrary box. Trump had many, mnay boxes stacked on a stage, in a bathroom, and avaliable for anyone to come grab. If anything this tells us we need better tracking of documents. But over the many years and tens of thousands of documents there were only a few misplaced. Trump took many hundreds deliberately, and hid them from the FBI.

I don't really blame Trump, he was never fit to be president. I blame conservative voters who are unfit to vote if this is who they select.

Trump should have thought about that before he committed crimes against the United States of America. Just more evidence the guy is unfit.

Your bias isn't factual.

Your in complete denial.

 

[F1fan]

Your in complete denial.

Yet you can't explain what I am in denial about, as if you are being dishonest in your accusation. Could it be your bias that is distorted, and being your bias you can't see beyond it?