Biden tanking

[Jayhawker Soule]

From CNN ...

A broad 67% majority of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters now say it’s very or extremely likely that Biden will again be the party’s presidential nominee, up from 55% who felt that way in May. But 67% also say the party should nominate someone other than Biden – up from 54% in March, though still below the high of 75% who said they were seeking an alternative last summer.​

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That remains largely a show of discontent with Biden rather than support for any particular rival, with an 82% majority of those who’d prefer to see someone different saying that they don’t have any specific alternative in mind. Just 1%, respectively, name either of his two most prominent declared challengers, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. or Marianne Williamson.​

Given that U.S. Presidential elections are all about perception (and the peculiarities of the Electoral College), 2024 does not look good irrespective of the Republican candidate. It should be clear that Biden is problematic, and clearer still that dropping Biden may be more so.

The question, then, is what to do.

 

[F1fan]

Americans are exceptional, at being dissatisfied.

I'm not excited about Biden myself, but he has done a good job and he is well qualified for the job. His age? Who knows? Looking at poll numbers it is easy for someone to say they aren't happy with the status quo, but ask them what they prefer? Do they have an answer? Does the majority have a better option that will get better numbers?

I don't like the poll numbers, but citizens don't have their backs against the wall of facing a Trump/Biden showdown, and my guess the majority will see that Biden is vastly better than a criminal. But we can't underestimate Americans, the majority of conservatives support the criminal over better republicans, so that calls into question how smart the average citizen is. The threat is well known of Trump getting elected, and the conservatives don't care. Many independents don't care. As I have stated before, I think America is not a happy place and many want to push society to a breaking point and perhaps hit bottom with a social and economic collapse.

What gets me is that of the many hundreds of people I know, mostly athletes, I don't know many who aren't living happy lives doing sport and events. None that I know want to see this life ruined by political chaos. Who are these Trump supporters?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Americans are exceptional, at being dissatisfied.

Perhaps, although this suggests otherwise.

I'm not excited about Biden myself, but he has done a good job and he is well qualified for the job. His age? Who knows? Looking at poll numbers it is easy for someone to say they aren't happy with the status quo, but ask them what they prefer? Do they have an answer? Does the majority have a better option that will get better numbers?

I don't like the poll numbers, but citizens don't have their backs against the wall of facing a Trump/Biden showdown, and my guess the majority will see that Biden is vastly better than a criminal. But we can't underestimate Americans, the majority of conservatives support the criminal over better republicans, so that calls into question how smart the average citizen is. The threat is well known of Trump getting elected, and the conservatives don't care. Many independents don't care. As I have stated before, I think America is not a happy place and many want to push society to a breaking point and perhaps hit bottom with a social and economic collapse.

What gets me is that of the many hundreds of people I know, mostly athletes, I don't know many who aren't living happy lives doing sport and events. None that I know want to see this life ruined by political chaos. Who are these Trump supporters?

To repeat: The question, then, is what to do.

 

[YmirGF]

Perhaps, although this suggests otherwise.



To repeat: The question, then, is what to do.

This IS a problem. Kamala is not cutting it. Newsom? (although his track record in California may be hard to sell)
Beto O'Rourke? (A good guy with no real record of accomplishments). Dust off Saint Hillary? AOC?

The only real happy face here is that the Republicans are caught in the Trump Circus, which grows stranger every day.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This IS a problem. Kamala is not cutting it.

In my opinion the biggest "problem" with Kamal is the fact that she is a minority female. Be that as it may, any attempt by the Democratic Party leadership to drop her would be seen by many as buying in to a misogynistic and racist subtext. Meanwhile, time is rapidly running out for Biden to gracefully bow out of the race and enable anything approaching a productive Democratic Party primary.

The situation is dire and Biden is more than a little culpable, but because of his policies but because of his hubris.

 

[F1fan]

Perhaps, although this suggests otherwise.

The USA is 16 which is pretty good. But it should be. This makes me wonder why so many are dissatisfied with Biden. Do they have someone better in mind that will have broad support?

To repeat: The question, then, is what to do.

Anyone can complain. How many can come up with workable solutions?

 

[YmirGF]

In my opinion the biggest "problem" with Kamal is the fact that she is a minority female. Be that as it may, any attempt by the Democratic Party leadership to drop her would be seen by many as buying in to a misogynistic and racist subtext. Meanwhile, time is rapidly running out for Biden to gracefully bow out of the race and enable anything approaching a productive Democratic Party primary.

Agree 100%, Jay. Dropping Kamala would be extremely problematic, especially now that she is coming out saying she is ready to lead if anything ever happened to Joe. Like it or not, she has earned her place.

The situation is dire and Biden is more than a little culpable, bit because of his policies but because of his hubris.

Can they resuscitate Kamala's image in time? They have tried to improve her image now, several times, and yet she is still less popular than her boss.

 

[F1fan]

This IS a problem. Kamala is not cutting it.

How is she not cutting it? She has been doing quite a bit of outreach to citizens in various ways, from reproductive rights to voting access to gender equality. So I’m curious how that suggests “not cutting it”.

 

[YmirGF]

How is she not cutting it? She has been doing quite a bit of outreach to citizens in various ways, from reproductive rights to voting access to gender equality. So I’m curious how that suggests “not cutting it”.

Lord Google sayeth: "Vice President Kamala Harris' approval ratings have remained low throughout her term, with only 32% of registered voters having a positive view of her."

Lady Google sayeth: "The rating is the lowest CNN recorded for Biden this year, down from 41 percent in July and 45 percent in January. While 39 percent approve of Biden's job performance as president, 61 percent disapprove, according to the poll released Thursday"

You are welcome to pretend she is doing well. The numbers show that no one is especially convinced.

 

[F1fan]

Lord Google sayeth: "Vice President Kamala Harris' approval ratings have remained low throughout her term, with only 32% of registered voters having a positive view of her."

Lady Google sayeth: "The rating is the lowest CNN recorded for Biden this year, down from 41 percent in July and 45 percent in January. While 39 percent approve of Biden's job performance as president, 61 percent disapprove, according to the poll released Thursday"

You are welcome to pretend she is doing well. The numbers show that no one is especially convinced.

I asked you why she’s not cutting it. If you meant her poll numbers are low that is a different thing. Biden’s polling is low too. What does this mean? I’m not sure. Are citizens well informed? I’m not sure.

 

[YmirGF]

I asked you why she’s not cutting it. If you meant her poll numbers are low that is a different thing. Biden’s polling is low too. What does this mean? I’m not sure. Are citizens well informed? I’m not sure.

Come now, to say she has been lack-lustre is being generous.

 

[F1fan]

Lord Google sayeth: "Vice President Kamala Harris' approval ratings have remained low throughout her term, with only 32% of registered voters having a positive view of her."

Lady Google sayeth: "The rating is the lowest CNN recorded for Biden this year, down from 41 percent in July and 45 percent in January. While 39 percent approve of Biden's job performance as president, 61 percent disapprove, according to the poll released Thursday"

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As far as Biden’s approval I think we can ignore the 50% who lean conservative since they won’t approve no matter what. So that means the number is 78% of democrats who approve of Biden. That’s pretty good.

 

[F1fan]

Come now, to say she has been lack-lustre is being generous.

Meaning she’s not been involved in scandals that get her media attention?

 

[YmirGF]

As far as Biden’s approval I think we can ignore the 50% who lean conservative since they won’t approve no matter what. So that means the number is 78% of democrats who approve of Biden. That’s pretty good.

Keep workin' it.

Edit: You know, Kamala desperately needs better speechwriters. Perhaps you should apply for the job! Win/Win.

 

[F1fan]

Keep workin' it.

Edit: You know, Kamala desperately needs better speechwriters. Perhaps you should apply for the job! Win/Win.

I think she is more than capable. The image issue is not relevant to her ability to manage our national affairs. Speech writing is also not crucial to her ability to handle the job.

I notice your comments are mostly about the superficial and not that she’s not capable. I see many fed up with politics yet you are focusing on politics. How about her ability to lead successfully?

 

[YmirGF]

How about her ability to lead successfully?

Well, to be fair and open-minded, I'll have to get back to you if I EVER see her exhibiting any kind of leadership skill.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

From CNN ...

A broad 67% majority of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters now say it’s very or extremely likely that Biden will again be the party’s presidential nominee, up from 55% who felt that way in May. But 67% also say the party should nominate someone other than Biden – up from 54% in March, though still below the high of 75% who said they were seeking an alternative last summer.​

​

That remains largely a show of discontent with Biden rather than support for any particular rival, with an 82% majority of those who’d prefer to see someone different saying that they don’t have any specific alternative in mind. Just 1%, respectively, name either of his two most prominent declared challengers, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. or Marianne Williamson.​

Given that U.S. Presidential elections are all about perception (and the peculiarities of the Electoral College), 2024 does not look good irrespective of the Republican candidate. It should be clear that Biden is problematic, and clearer still that dropping Biden may be more so.

The question, then, is what to do.

Just let the democrats vote for who they want. Isn't that what the primaries are for?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Come now, to say she has been lack-lustre is being generous.

"Lack-lustre" is the job description of the Vice President.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just let the democrats vote for who they want. Isn't that what the primaries are for?

That's precisely what primaries are for, but that is no guarantee that they will prove helpful, particularly when the options are

• Joe Biden
• Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
• Marianne Williamson
• [ write-in ]

 

[F1fan]

Well, to be fair and open-minded, I'll have to get back to you if I EVER see her exhibiting any kind of leadership skill.

And I will get back to you when I see you exhibit an open minded attitude towards Biden and Harris.