Biden tanking

[Augustus]

I think she is more than capable. The image issue is not relevant to her ability to manage our national affairs. Speech writing is also not crucial to her ability to handle the job.

The image issue is highly relevant to anyone’s ability to do the job of President though.

Few, if any, things are more relevant.

Public speaking is also highly relevant.

The President is a figurehead not a bureaucrat.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I've never met a true Biden supporter in my life.

Now you do. Glad to know you.

Are citizens well informed? I’m not sure.

I'm fairly sure they're not in general, and sadly, even Democratic voters have been manipulated by the media. Joe had a tremendous first two years deftly managing the pandemic while spearheading New Deal age legislation (Inflation Reduction Act and Builds Back Better), during which time his approval fell even among Democratic voters. That's what the media's sensationalism and nihilism generates even with what the right calls liberal media, and why these polls mean nothing to me.

It should be clear that Biden is problematic ... The situation is dire

You've only made the claim, not the case. I don't know what your objection to Biden is beside being old and not stepping down. Do you think he's demented or will become so in his second term? Are you concerned that he'll die in office? Do you consider him insufficiently competent as a politician? None of those are issues for me.

The question, then, is what to do.

There's nothing you can do except vote and express your opinion in venues like this one. Biden will run if he feels like it and is physically able. That's his prerogative. You can vote against him if you like in the primaries, where he is likely to prevail against any Democrat, and in the general election, where he is likely to prevail against any Republican, and democracy will survive at least four more years in America. If the Democrats can retake the House and keep the Senate, then we can expect more groundbreaking output from Biden, especially if the Democrats can neutralize Republicans filibustering, and if not, then America can settle for at least two more years of gridlock while Biden is reduced to acting presidential as is his role now. And he's done a fine job of that as well. He's a good and kindly man with a strong moral compass and lot of experience (including four years as president) and a steady hand. He's the very picture of competent leadership and has done much to reestablish America's place on the world stage after the disastrous Trump years, which had the opposite effect.

Do you disagree with any of that? If not, ask yourself why you feel like you do. If you can't find a concrete reason, maybe you've succumbed to the media's lackluster depiction of him.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You've only made the claim, not the case. I don't know what your objection to Biden is beside being old and not stepping down.

Please quote where I've objected to Biden because of his age.

 

[dybmh]

For example?

Trump or Desantis running as an independent and splitting the republican votes. Either one. Whomever doesn't win the primary.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

For me personally, I'm hoping that the words "enthusiasm gap" are not on repeat in the news and on media. That will drive me a bit bonkers.

Edit: I just checked the polling, and it doesn't look good for splitting the republicans.

Trump or Desantis running as an independent and splitting the republican votes. Either one. Whomever doesn't win the primary.

Yep.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There's nothing you can do except vote and express your opinion in venues like this one. Biden will run if he feels like it and is physically able. That's his prerogative. You can vote against him if you like in the primaries, where he is likely to prevail against any Democrat, and in the general election, where he is likely to prevail against any Republican, and democracy will survive at least four more years in America. If the Democrats can retake the House and keep the Senate, then we can expect more groundbreaking output from Biden, especially if the Democrats can neutralize Republicans filibustering, and if not, then America can settle for at least two more years of gridlock while Biden is reduced to acting presidential as is his role now. And he's done a fine job of that as well. He's a good and kindly man with a strong moral compass and lot of experience (including four years as president) and a steady hand. He's the very picture of competent leadership and has done much to reestablish America's place on the world stage after the disastrous Trump years, which had the opposite effect.

Again: Please quote where I've objected to Biden because of his age.

Let me help. What I wrote was ...

From CNN ...

A broad 67% majority of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters now say it’s very or extremely likely that Biden will again be the party’s presidential nominee, up from 55% who felt that way in May. But 67% also say the party should nominate someone other than Biden – up from 54% in March, though still below the high of 75% who said they were seeking an alternative last summer.​

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That remains largely a show of discontent with Biden rather than support for any particular rival, with an 82% majority of those who’d prefer to see someone different saying that they don’t have any specific alternative in mind. Just 1%, respectively, name either of his two most prominent declared challengers, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. or Marianne Williamson.​

Given that U.S. Presidential elections are all about perception (and the peculiarities of the Electoral College), 2024 does not look good irrespective of the Republican candidate. It should be clear that Biden is problematic, and clearer still that dropping Biden may be more so.

The question, then, is what to do.

That you would consider your response to be at all responsive is patently ridiculous.

 

[AnthonyGiarrusso]

I agree, but that is our system for free elections. Why are there no democrat primary debates scheduled? Will they be scheduled?

Democrats don't have the skill-sets to debate. The democrat party is literally cult-like in behavior pushing a controlled narrative. Think about why Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents have hundreds of debates. It is because Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents are thinking people with opinions. Cults conform to a narrative. That is why you rarely see democrats ever debate.

 

[F1fan]

The image issue is highly relevant to anyone’s ability to do the job of President though.

I would agree insofar as integrity matters, and not being anti-democratic and corrupt goes. Thus far I don't see any negative image by Biden or Harris. There is political rhetoric against them both but it is more rhetoric than substantive critique. Apart from the withdrawl from Afghanistan Biden has had a rather successful presidency. It hasn't been huge, blockbuster things like killing bin Laden, but he has helped manage our affairs in ways that a less experienced person could have pulled off. Look at the debt ceiling confronation. With all the advantges the republicans had they got owned by Biden. Did Biden bombast about it? No. I think his real interest is in helping the nation, and that means not humiliating the republicans, even if they don't reciprocate.

Few, if any, things are more relevant.

How?

Public speaking is also highly relevant.

Yes it is. What the message is tends to be most important, not style.

The President is a figurehead not a bureaucrat.

I would say this is dead wrong. Look at how Trump screwed up the Covid response, how he ruined many global alliances, including threats to withdraw from the UN, how he pushed a huge tax cut that benefitted the wealth 83%, how that caused less than expected revenue and business investment, which then made the Covid response more money we had to borrow. Imagine what the state of the war in Ukraine would be today if Trump had won in 2020. I could see a scenario with Trump supporting putin. How would our justice system be affected if Trump wins in 2024? Based on his comments thus far he will turn it into an unlawful organization that will harrass and accuse his opponents. He wouldn't need to convict anyone, he would just need to put so much stress on people that they stop investigating him, or trying to create any policies that oppose him.

Just a figurehead, like the Japanese emperor during WW2? No. US presidents are very involved in global and domestic affairs that affect lives all over the planet.

 

[Revoltingest]

In my opinion the biggest "problem" with Kamal is the fact that she is a minority female.

That's the same tired old perfunctory excuse that
Democrats, feminists, & liberals always trot out
whenever they offer an uninspiring troubling
female candidate who fails to rally their voters.
When Biden has bad numbers, do they blame
it on ageist anti-white misandrists? Nah.

 

[F1fan]

Democrats don't have the skill-sets to debate.

What skill sets do they lack? Go into detail.

The democrat party is literally cult-like in behavior pushing a controlled narrative.

Give us examples of this.

Think about why Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents have hundreds of debates.

Over what period of time? There has only been one republican debate in the last three years. Expalin your claim, and use facts.

It is because Republicans, Libertarians, and Independents are thinking people with opinions.

Of this list I would agree that Libertarians can think and have opinions. Their conclusions are too idealistic and unrealistic to work. As for republicans, well, what policies do you think they advocate for? How does their platform aim to help the average American citizen? And indevendents? Well, confused fence sitters I would say.

Cults conform to a narrative.

Like stolen election?

That is why you rarely see democrats ever debate.

Actually we see democrats debate quite well when they do. They have policies that tend to help the average citizen, like expanded medical access, lower drug prices, working to reduce inflation, working to increase minimum wages, public safety by advocating for more gun safety laws, more access to voting, greater equality and liberty for minorities and marginalized citizens, and so on.

Your turn. What do republicans argue for in debate, that they do so well?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Americans are exceptional, at being dissatisfied.

I'm not excited about Biden myself, but he has done a good job and he is well qualified for the job. His age? Who knows? Looking at poll numbers it is easy for someone to say they aren't happy with the status quo, but ask them what they prefer? Do they have an answer? Does the majority have a better option that will get better numbers?

I don't like the poll numbers, but citizens don't have their backs against the wall of facing a Trump/Biden showdown, and my guess the majority will see that Biden is vastly better than a criminal. But we can't underestimate Americans, the majority of conservatives support the criminal over better republicans, so that calls into question how smart the average citizen is. The threat is well known of Trump getting elected, and the conservatives don't care. Many independents don't care. As I have stated before, I think America is not a happy place and many want to push society to a breaking point and perhaps hit bottom with a social and economic collapse.

What gets me is that of the many hundreds of people I know, mostly athletes, I don't know many who aren't living happy lives doing sport and events. None that I know want to see this life ruined by political chaos. Who are these Trump supporters?

People are often very shallow and ignorant when it comes to elections. That is why Trump won. He is totally incompetent, but he has a rather sick charisma. Obama had tons of charisma, but too little experience. Think what he could have done if he had his eight years of experience at the start.

Biden is competent. But he lacks the charisma needed to initiate a change.

Perhaps the fact that we can't find a leader with both is a good thing. As a country we may turn over the reins of power too easily. If the Trump supporters had their way Trump would be our dictator now.

 

[LuisDantas]

Well, to be fair and open-minded, I'll have to get back to you if I EVER see her exhibiting any kind of leadership skill.

That is precious coming from a Trump supporter.

 

[F1fan]

That's the same tired old perfunctory excuse that
Democrats, feminists, & liberals always trot out
whenever they offer an uninspiring troubling
female candidate who fails to inspire them.

Harris has quite a bit of support by women's groups. She has been doing a lot of outreach to women and minority groups to show they have an advocate in the highest office. Does this not excite you, as an old white guy? If not, then harden up and enjoy your privilege. She's doing what she needs to do.

When Biden has bad numbers, do they blame
it on ageist anti-white misandrists? Nah.

Well there is plenty of prejudice in the right wing arsenal.

 

[F1fan]

People are often very shallow and ignorant when it comes to elections. That is why Trump won. He is totally incompetent, but he has a rather sick charisma. Obama had tons of charisma, but too little experience. Think what he could have done if he had his eight years of experience at the start.

I really wanted Clinton to be president for two terms with Obama as vp, and then Obama for two terms. But Obama was smart and had a great set of advisors, including Biden. So he was successful. Of course the right wing backlash was severe. They still are rabid and dangerous.

Biden is competent. But he lacks the charisma needed to initiate a change.

For American supposedly a "pull up your own bootstraps" there are a lot of folks desperate for a leader that feels big. It's so funny that conservatives always talk about small government but want a huge leader that is in your face. They are so confused. Of course they want big government, they just are in denial about so much, no wonder they need to follow a leader.

I think liberals are vastly more self-reliant. I am fine with Biden doing his job managing our affairs and not causing us problems, like the other guy did.

Perhaps the fact that we can't find a leader with both is a good thing. As a country we may turn over the reins of power too easily. If the Trump supporters had their way Trump would be our dictator now.

Apart from Teddy, Reagan, and JFK there haven't been many of these presidents. Sure, we Americans want our theater. But getting the job done right is the first priority and I wish more Americans admitted this.

 

[YmirGF]

That is precious coming from a Trump supporter.

Who is a Trump supporter, Luis?

*looks around*

 

[LuisDantas]

Who is a Trump supporter, Luis?

*looks around*

My mistake. Am I misremembering, or have you changed your mind?

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Biden's asleep at the wheel. His teleprompters tell him to support war, child sterilization, and the woke mafia. Utterly unelectable, but if they have to, Democrats will vote for him regardless. It's not about competence anyway; it's about those bullet points.

 

[YmirGF]

My mistake. Am I misremembering, or have you changed your mind?

I soured on Trump when I noticed the revolving door at the White House under his administration. I was more delighted that Saint Hillary had lost.

 

[LuisDantas]

I soured on Trump when I noticed the revolving door at the White House under his administration. I was more delighted that Saint Hillary had lost.

Then I guess I take back my apologies.

 

[YmirGF]

Then I guess I take back my apologies.

If you really are curious in the last election, federally, I tossed my vote to the NDP (who are about as left as things get here in Canada).