Bill Cosby.....You Know You Wanna Discuss It.

[Robert.Evans]

1) Drinking with a group of people in a public place is a pervasive social custom. Telling people not to drink around strangers will be mostly ineffective. Most victims who are raped by being roofied are done in spite of arriving with a group of trusted friends who look after each other, only to strike up a conversation with a potential hook-up. Hook-ups, in and of themselves, are not and should not be demonized because consent being the foundational pursuit, all else being equal, sex can be super with a one-night fling. Been there, done that, and can attest to it.

It is called adultery, and is immoral. Not a good example to anyone I feel. I would hate to think you are teaching anyone this. You seem to be suggesting all the wrong things. Be immoral, commit adultery, if anything goes wrong, be voilent. What about being good and not doing those thigns in the first place.... ahhh, back to freedom again

2) The overwhelming number of predators do not believe what they are doing is wrong, nor do they believe any "no" or fighting back was meant to be serious. Predators believe they are finding willing partners. It's the biggest reason why child molestors believe after raping a kid that they were enticed by the child because he or she sat on their lap. They'll find consent in the target in some way to justify their action.

Sometimes as regards the ''willing'' partners.
As for let a child on someone's lap, don't. It's your child look after it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We teach children not to accept anything from a stranger and not to get in a car with strangers but then as adults we DO it?

haha... you make me laugh because of your common sense. I agree. Somewhat strange eh.

I realize people are able to hide what they really are so a person might feel confident their newish friend is a good person. If my new friend turns out to be no friend is it my fault if something bad happens? Just a little bit. It is a lesson to be more cautious. Is it a little bit my fault in every situation? I don't think so. When a ship goes down is it the passengers fault they took the trip? Maybe, maybe not. Were there signs that were ignored? Probably. If there were no signs then no, no fault present.

I saw an tv program in older times where the gentleman went to the lady (there were of humble means) and said. "I would like permission to walk out with you." She said yes. They MET in the park... no going into her house, that would seem to be a little bit dangerous... a threshhold would be crossed. We have no boundaires now I feel, or at least, not many. At one time they were too much, but at least they respected people in that way. Not that it was prefect you understand. You need a different society for that, a different mindset, smaller groups of people. But human nature is a tough think, is it not? We like freedom, and freedom allows us to go into places thinking it will not happen to us, and at some point, it will. There are many of ''us''

 

[Robert.Evans]

But it wasn't like Bill Cosby had "rapist" written across his forehead. You could've said that she made a poor choice had it been clear that he was an unsavory and questionable character, but were there really any obvious signs or cues that she should've picked up on? Predators often use deception and manipulation to gain the trust of and to get close to their victims (take the priests of your faith as an example.)

So are you saying that, as a precaution, all women should keep a great distance from any male who isn't a eunuch? And if they get hurt by someone, it's their own fault for wanting to interact with other human beings?

For a woman or child to be put in a situation with anyone alone or private is asking for trouble once you meet the right person.

Keep the children with the mother, the mother with the husband, the husband looking after his wife, the wife respecting her husband.

 

[Robert.Evans]

The intent is to lower her inhibitions. Predators are convinced that a target is already willing, but doesn't want to express it. It's part of the dynamic of de-humanizing the target and believing what the target wants is exactly what the perpetrator wants.

But why would they think that?

 

[Robert.Evans]

But what about the bad people who pretend to be good (which most of them do)? Sometimes it may be obvious, but most times it's hard to judge a person's character without first spending time with them and getting to know them. Do you have a magic ring that begins to glow in the presence of bad people?

But you said it there... get to know them. That means distance.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Then it's a catch 22: shouldn't spend time with someone you don't know, but can't get to know someone without spending time with them.

Do you want to spedn time with a murderer getting to know them?

No contact or private situations at first. Wife with husband.. why is this difficult?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Child rape is committed under the umbrella of sexual assault.

Which means what?

Prison rape,

Chastity belts

marital rape,

love one another respect one another

and statutory rape all fits in the discussion if we are to consider broadening the scope of how Cosby assaulted over a dozen women. It begins with a de-humanization of the target by the perpetrator as well as a foundational de-humanizing of the demographic targeted.

Don't make yourself a target. Live in smaller groups. Look after one another.

"Don't drop the soap" is a common joke with male inmates, which is a perfect example of how we 1) acknowledge a culture of rape, 2) overlook a demographic of male victims, and 3) blame the victim. It's but one factor of the denominator of rape culture, where less attention is given to the predators in crime reduction and more attention is given to targets in crime reduction.

What hurts the most is the increase in responsibility granted upon targets and survivors while the justice system fails to follow through in investigations, indictments, and sentencing. More amnesty is granted to those accused, and more suspicion is heaped upon the accusers. Even with video, audio, multiple witnesses, rape kits, and a confession....more often than not rapists do not face incarceration unless the rapist is a serial killer in addition.

That is because women can be nasty and lie about such things just to attack a man. They like to make them suffer so accusations are not always true. If women always spoke the truth in such cases, which is the way they would have been judged in the past, most rape cases would end up with convictions.

So, I do not think Cosby will face any convictions.

Too much power and money.
That is a failure in the judicial system, which we have over here. Money can buy the best lawers so they win. Flawed system. Harsh penalties for rapist, harsh for those lying of rape. Has to be proof though.

Statue of limitations is past, and he has access to money, a legal team, a media presence, and has pandered to a variety of organizations enough to give a pleasing presence overall. Pair that with the way the cards are stacked against rape and sexual assault survivors, and we see what happens in discussions like this.....The conclusion in the majority of cases like this is: "Cosby is innocent until proven guilty, but no matter what, these women were stupid, liars, or have an agenda to get his money."

If they are already well off probably not. But there are women who could willingly do things like that, and that is why you get such low conviction rates. How do you prove it?

 

[Revoltingest]

What about people (everybody) misreading me sir, will you protect me sir? Or do I have to a woman sir... haha

I'm a vile knuckle walk'n, cold hearted, repulsive, patronize'n, patriarchal, misogynistic, neckbeard. Ask'n aboot me selective chivalry be like ask'n a scorpion why it stings. Tis in me nature.

 

[Revoltingest]

This thread is not about child rape.

True dat, but I see a parallel in that children are often victimized by people they should trust, & the abuser violates that trust. Cosby cultivated that trust....one could say "weaponized" it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sometimes.
But it is the whole picture we must consider not just the physical, which if you are an atheist, is all you look at.

Heathens aren't going to adopt a conservative religious lifestyle, so many of your useful suggestions won't apply to us. Cutting down on the prevalence of sexual assault will require many solutions, some of which suit some individuals & groups, but not others.

 

[Robert.Evans]

True dat, but I see a parallel in that children are often victimized by people they should trust, & the abuser violates that trust. Cosby cultivated that trust....one could say "weaponized" it.

It is interesting though, is it not, that when people are celebrities we think they can be trusted. That is strange don't you think? We lift them up as gods I think. I suppose we think they have too much to lose and they have everything anyway so why would they do wrong. But with great power can come great corruption. It appears the rules are the same for strangers, friends, priests and celebs

 

[Revoltingest]

It is interesting though, is it not, that when people are celebrities we think they can be trusted. That is strange don't you think? We lift them up as gods I think. I suppose we think they have too much to lose and they have everything anyway so why would they do wrong. But with great power can come great corruption. It appears the rules are the same for strangers, friends, priests and celebs

A problem with celebrities is that we get the sense that we know them from seeing them all the time. But this is a one way interaction.
Of course, there are some celebrities who inspire distrust...

 

[Debater Slayer]

It is called adultery, and is immoral. Not a good example to anyone I feel. I would hate to think you are teaching anyone this. You seem to be suggesting all the wrong things. Be immoral, commit adultery, if anything goes wrong, be voilent. What about being good and not doing those thigns in the first place.... ahhh, back to freedom again

For a woman or child to be put in a situation with anyone alone or private is asking for trouble once you meet the right person.

Keep the children with the mother, the mother with the husband, the husband looking after his wife, the wife respecting her husband.

That is because women can be nasty and lie about such things just to attack a man. They like to make them suffer so accusations are not always true. If women always spoke the truth in such cases, which is the way they would have been judged in the past, most rape cases would end up with convictions.

I think you have just demonstrated why trying to reason with you is absolutely worthless.

Have fun flaunting the medieval puke you have spouted in this thread and others. Just keep in mind that, thankfully, a lot of (or most) people here are most likely just going to look at what you've been saying with utter contempt and disdain.

 

[Revoltingest]

....trying to reason with you is absolutely worthless.
Have fun flaunting the medieval puke....

I think it's "medieval puke" too, but we can find friendlier ways to say it. Add a smiley, perhaps?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I think it's "medieval puke" too, but we can find friendlier ways to say it. Add a smiley, perhaps?

I prefer honesty to political correctness.

 

[savagewind]

What about people (everybody) misreading me sir, will you protect me sir? Or do I have to a woman sir... haha

You have to be cute. Are you cute?

 

[Revoltingest]

I prefer honesty to political correctness.

One can be honest & still civil.

 

[Debater Slayer]

One can be honest & still civil.

Of course. Sometimes saying exactly what you think isn't uncivil, though. There are ideas that don't deserve any garnishment when you speak of your opinion about them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course. Sometimes saying exactly what you think isn't uncivil, though. There are ideas that don't deserve any garnishment when you speak of your opinion about them.

It's a tough line to draw, I know. But "puke" is a metaphor beyond the pale. "Medieval" though, is accurate. If someone is a troll, & I call them a "troll", I'm being honest, but we know that's against the rules. (Got me knuckles rapped for it once.) I hate to see honesty used as an excuse for abuse.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It's a tough line to draw, I know. But "puke" is a metaphor beyond the pale. "Medieval" though, is accurate. If someone is a troll, & I call them a "troll", I'm being honest, but we know that's against the rules. (Got me knuckles rapped for it once.) I hate to see honesty used as an excuse for abuse.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, then. I don't think it's abuse to call a spade a spade when speaking of ideas. (Speaking of people is a different thing.)

I stand by my earlier statement that rape apologetics and outdated misogynistic views are medieval puke. Actually, calling them that may even be disrespectful to puke.