Blasphemy and compassion

[Spiderman]

Can a person hate God out of a righteous anger for justice and consider him the greatest evil, creating all of this misery, constantly bullying and threatening people, tempting Eve with forbidden fruit so that he could have an excuse to murder and curse her and all of her descendants, and multiply labor pains so that giving birth was the leading cause of why women were dead before the age of 30 (for many centuries.)

And then he afflicts women with menstruation and says everything they touches unclean so that men would kick them out of their house while they were having their period (and yet The God who made it so that it is his idea
nothing anyone but he chose, is he
perfectly clean?

Should we hate venomous serpents for killing thousands of people, or was it God's idea....

when they do not have any nature but to do that, and God gave them that venom because he obviously wants them to terrorize torture and kill people.

I believe that child protective services should take away the license that any God or entity can have to torture and murder people, to leave people confused, to send devil's prowling like roaring Lions to attack and devour their children.

The God who stands by and watches and does nothing while his children are being trafficked, raped, tortured, murdered, or Led into the fires of hell, and threatens them with wailing and gnashing of teeth in the next life, is far more guilty than any criminal who often cannot help themselves or know any better, correct?

Am I evil, or do I simply have compassion?

I read scripture and it is repeatedly telling me God is racist, kills pregnant women and children, tosses souls in a lake of fire, leaves people petrified that they or their loved ones are burning in hell for All eternity, and condemns people for having appetites that he will not take away, condemns them for being mentally ill, and says opposite things are true to cause confusion.

Babel was an attempt at getting people to work together, end division, and help people use their natural resources to build each other up and not destroy each other.

God despised the idea of peace and unity, so he divided everybody to speak different languages, because he needs war , death, fear, starvation, death , and chaos for people to entertain him and turn to him in prayer, no?

I have asked him many times for understanding on these matters, and many times his Spirit seems to tell me that his absolutely the case.

So, which humans in history have ever shown themselves that terrible?

Is this compassion or is this evil, or is compassion evil?

 

[John D. Brey]

Can a person hate God out of a righteous anger for justice and consider him the greatest evil, creating all of this misery, constantly bullying and threatening people, tempting Eve with forbidden fruit so that he could have an excuse to murder and curse her and all of her descendants, and multiply labor pains so that giving birth was the leading cause of why women were dead before the age of 30 (for many centuries.)

And then he afflicts women with menstruation and says everything they touches unclean so that men would kick them out of their house while they were having their period (and yet The God who made it so that it is his idea
nothing anyone but he chose, is he
perfectly clean?

Should we hate venomous serpents for killing thousands of people, or was it God's idea....

when they do not have any nature but to do that, and God gave them that venom because he obviously wants them to terrorize torture and kill people.

I believe that child protective services should take away the license that any God or entity can have to torture and murder people, to leave people confused, to send devil's prowling like roaring Lions to attack and devour their children.

The God who stands by and watches and does nothing while his children are being trafficked, raped, tortured, murdered, or Led into the fires of hell, and threatens them with wailing and gnashing of teeth in the next life, is far more guilty than any criminal who often cannot help themselves or know any better, correct?

Am I evil, or do I simply have compassion?

I read scripture and it is repeatedly telling me God is racist, kills pregnant women and children, tosses souls in a lake of fire, leaves people petrified that they or their loved ones are burning in hell for All eternity, and condemns people for having appetites that he will not take away, condemns them for being mentally ill, and says opposite things are true to cause confusion.

Babel was an attempt at getting people to work together, end division, and help people use their natural resources to build each other up and not destroy each other.

God despised the idea of peace and unity, so he divided everybody to speak different languages, because he needs war , death, fear, starvation, death , and chaos for people to entertain him and turn to him in prayer, no?

I have asked him many times for understanding on these matters, and many times his Spirit seems to tell me that his absolutely the case.

So, which humans in history have ever shown themselves that terrible?

Is this compassion or is this evil, or is compassion evil?

I think St. Paul, who endured some of the worst of the ugliness you express, said it best in 2 Corinthians 4:17 where he points out that time as we experience it now is but fleeting such that in eternity the ugliness you correctly list will be seen to be, in Rabbi Hirsch's words, a transitional phase, a sort of crucible, to burn the bad off those who can withstand the heat.



John

 

[Spiderman]

I think St. Paul, who endure some of the worst of the ugliness you express, said it best in 2 Corinthians 4:17 where he points out that time as we experience it now is but fleeting such that in eternity the ugliness you correctly list will be seen to be, in Rabbi Hirsch's words, a transitional phase, a sort of crucible, to burn the bad off those who can withstand the heat.



John

Eternity really bothers me if a tyrant this sadistic, brutal, jealous, pompous, self-absorbed, obsessed with power, chronic history of terrorism and mass murder in genocide, a monster who shows no signs of consideration for human lives or human suffering...

For him to have control of where tortured souls spend eternity after dying in agony, that is what really bothers and troubles me and concerns me.

He says he " is love, love his kind, love is not puffed up", and yet he is the least kind, the most proud and puffed up jealous and wrathful genocidal entity that will murder women, children, babies, because people love a god other than him, or perhaps people have a difficult time loving someone who's constantly hiding from them like he isn't there, or like he really doesn't want to be their friend

 

[1213]

Can a person hate God out of a righteous anger for justice and consider him the greatest evil

Righteous person hates lies. And person who remains in truth can't make false accusations against God, which would be required for to see God evil.

The God who stands by and watches and does nothing while his children are being trafficked, raped, tortured, murdered, or Led into the fires of hell, and threatens them with wailing and gnashing of teeth in the next life, is far more guilty than any criminal who often cannot help themselves or know any better, correct?

How do you know what God is doing, or not doing?

I read scripture and it is repeatedly telling me God is racist, kills pregnant women and children, tosses souls in a lake of fire, leaves people petrified that they or their loved ones are burning in hell for All eternity, and condemns people for having appetites that he will not take away, condemns them for being mentally ill, and says opposite things are true to cause confusion.

It seems to me that you must have a very different Bible than what I have. Or you make up stuff that is not in the Bible.

Babel was an attempt at getting people to work together, end division, and help people use their natural resources to build each other up and not destroy each other.

By what the Bible tells, it was done to control people. And apparently God wanted people to be free of one government to rule all people.

God despised the idea of peace and unity, so he divided everybody to speak different languages, because he needs war , death, fear, starvation, death , and chaos for people to entertain him and turn to him in prayer, no?

Why do you think it was because of despising peace and unity? I think you make too many baseless accusations.

 

[ChristineM]

@Spiderman , good to see you.

I am not a god believer but i can see that someone who does believe in god and sees the horrors ascribed to him in the bible and considers the suffering and pain god built into his creation can do nothing else but hate god.

It surprises me how so many people worship him as a compassionate, caring god.

 

[John D. Brey]

Eternity really bothers me if a tyrant this sadistic, brutal, jealous, pompous, self-absorbed, obsessed with power, chronic history of terrorism and mass murder in genocide, a monster who shows no signs of consideration for human lives or human suffering...

For him to have control of where tortured souls spend eternity after dying in agony, that is what really bothers and troubles me and concerns me.

He says he " is love, love his kind, love is not puffed up", and yet he is the least kind, the most proud and puffed up jealous and wrathful genocidal entity that will murder women, children, babies, because people love a god other than him, or perhaps people have a difficult time loving someone who's constantly hiding from them like he isn't there, or like he really doesn't want to be their friend

I agree with you strongly so far as your context is concerned. But you're context is peculiar in that it presupposes an evil-god running things when an evil-god is at best oxymoronic. In other words, the ontological concept of "God" tends to imply a being or force that has the last say in everything such that his primary job description is to oppose, and (eventually) defeat evil. You're "god" is really more like the devil or Satan such that your hand-wringing seems to be based on fear that the devil and or Satan is all the god that exists, or that the devil, or Satan, has taken over God's realm.

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.​

​

Luke 4:4-6.​

Jesus knows, as scripture reveals, that the devil's offer to Jesus is legit. When the devil says "for that is delivered unto me," he's revealing the source of your fear and loathing about the god-of-this world: this world is delivered unto the devil.

But knowing that this world is delivered unto the devil, and knowing that the devil will see to his own death (Jesus' death on the cross), Jesus doesn't wring his hands. Jesus knows how it's going to look to his disciples and to the world when he's hung on the cross as though the god-of-this-world has full control over this world to include Jesus' destiny. But Jesus knows God doesn't let his left hand (Gevurah, the devil) know what his right hand (Hesed, mercy) is doing when it's purchasing salvation from this world and from the hand of the devil.

Our life upon the earth is verily wretchedness. The more a man desireth to be spiritual, the more bitter doth the present life become to him; because he the better understandeth and seeth the side effects of human corruption. For to eat, to drink, to watch, to sleep, to rest, to labour, and to be subject to the other necessities of nature, is truly a great wretchedness and affliction to a devout man who would feign be released and free from all sin.​

​

Thomas A Kempis, The Imitation of Christ, p. 20.​

John

 

[Spiderman]

Righteous person hates lies. And person who remains in truth can't make false accusations against God, which would be required for to see God evil.

How do you know what God is doing, or not doing?

It seems to me that you must have a very different Bible than what I have. Or you make up stuff that is not in the Bible.

By what the Bible tells, it was done to control people. And apparently God wanted people to be free of one government to rule all people.

Why do you think it was because of despising peace and unity? I think you make too many baseless accusations.

You either have not read the bible, or you are intentionally being dishonest. Google the scripture where Jesus says that his race of people that descends from Abraham are " children of god," and the woman approaching him (who he is repeatedly ignoring,) saying that she and her people are dogs, and his people are children of God.

He said, "I cannot give give what belongs to the children to dogs." He would not heal the woman's possessed child, until she said that even dogs can eat the scraps that the children leave on the floor.

He would not heal her until she admitted that she and the people she descends from are dogs, and his people are children of god.

Any physician nowadays in America who refused to give treatment to a group of people until they dehumanize themselves (and say that they are dogs ) in comparison to the people that the physician descends from, it would be illegal

Such a doctor would lose his or her license in America for obvious racism.

 

[Spiderman]

Google that God promotes genocide in the scriptures, that God promotes slavery, and concubines, which are women who cannot consent to being raped.

Many scripture verses will come up.

That is essentially sex slavery, and the Israelites were permitted by God in the old testament (at times), to kill everyone in the cities, except for the virgins, which they could own or sell. Why would they be keeping the virgins?. It was to own them and sell them as property!

There were also descendants of certain people that were cursed or blessed based off of who they descended from....

....and a very tiny percentage of people were revealed the truth, the law, the scriptures, and the gift of prophecy,

.... it was based off of descending from Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob.

That made up a tiny percentage of the world's population, and they were commanded to commit genocide against people who did not descend from them, (or did not have their religion.)

To be a priest in the Old testament, you had to descend from Levi, which is absolutely discrimination. There were also laws that you couldn't have children with certain women based off of who they descended from.

All you have to do is Google it, and it is right there in the bible. You obviously have not read it, or you are intentionally being dishonest.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Can a person hate / … / out of a righteous anger for justice /…

Can? Yes.
But “righteous” hatred is just as self-poisonous as hatred in general and all that any hatred can ever be is fuel for further hatred and poison to any good trying to flourish within.

I read scripture and it is repeatedly telling me God is /…

Remember that interpretation is always a part of whatever things are ”telling” you.

It can be unsettling to think of, but not even “literal” meanings are as literal as we like to think.

You are always an active participant in the perception that you have of anything -even of “literal” meanings.

I have asked him [God] many times for understanding on these matters, and many times his Spirit seems to tell me that his absolutely the case.

Would you feel comfortable not asking in this manner for a while? At times, when an active pursuit is filling us with hatred, it is not a bad thing to allow a small time-out away from it.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Audie]

Righteous person hates lies. And person who remains in truth can't make false accusations against God, which would be required for to see God evil.

How do you know what God is doing, or not doing?

It seems to me that you must have a very different Bible than what I have. Or you make up stuff that is not in the Bible.

By what the Bible tells, it was done to control people. And apparently God wanted people to be free of one government to rule all people.

Why do you think it was because of despising peace and unity? I think you make too many baseless accusations.

What do you think is the difference
beteeen lying and making things up?

 

[LuisDantas]

You can literally do anything with god. The god of the Christian Bible, specifically, is plainly just nuts as well as hateful.

There is no good reason to care much about it (that conception of god).

 

[Audie]

You can literally do anything with god. The god of the Christian Bible, specifically, is plainly just nuts as well as hateful.

There is no good reason to care much about it (that conception of god).

Theres reason to care that others
believe and impose their beliefs on
others!

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

Yes, @Spiderman, I do believe that a person can come to hate God "out of righteous anger for justice." You also asked: "Am I evil, or do I simply have compassion?" I don't think that you are evil, and I do think that your motivation for railing against God is due to your compassion for others. I also think that this is the way that the Divine intends for us to react.

I don't have the answers for why there is so much suffering in the world today. As for the violence that the Bible appears to justify, all I can say is that such violence was seen as normal in those times. Remember that you are looking at the ancient past through modern-day eyes.

Granted, we still have violence in the world today, but I don't believe that such violence nowadays is unquestioningly accepted by everyone -- whether they be theist or atheist. I think it's also important to note that questioning and challenging God was not unknown even in biblical times, as illustrated by certain individuals whose stories appear in the Bible.

I've quoted Rabbi Aron Moss on this forum before, and I'd like to give you his take on what you've asked. Rabbi Moss's words are in blue text:

We can be disappointed with G‑d. There is a Jewish tradition of even the most righteous people objecting to G‑d's decisions. Abraham tried to defend the people of Sodom although G‑d wanted to destroy them, and Moses interceded for the Israelites after the episode of the golden calf, when G‑d had decreed that they be wiped out. We don't have to agree with divine decrees. We have a right to be upset at G‑d... If we see what we feel to be an injustice, we can't be at peace with it. We must scream at G‑d and demand an end to such pain.

The Jewish response to tragedy is daring and challenging: don't solve the paradox, let it disturb you... From the tension of facing this contradiction comes an urge to do something — that the world must change to be a place of only goodness and peace. The suffering of innocents does not fit into my worldview; thus it must end. We must do what we can to alleviate the suffering of people around us. Then we can turn to G‑d and demand that He do the same.

So, let the old stories in the Bible that make you angry move you to do good in the world today. But also, please consider that there may be an intended depth of meaning in many of those passages, as well, that can inspire you.

Aron Moss is Rabbi of the Nefesh Community in Sydney, Australia. The above text in blue has been edited for space and fair use, but if you wish to read the piece in its entirety, you can find it at this link:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/255907/jewish/When-People-Suffer-Is-It-G-ds-Fault.htm

 

[1213]

You either have not read the bible, or you are intentionally being dishonest. Google the scripture where Jesus says that his race of people that descends from Abraham are " children of god," and the woman approaching him (who he is repeatedly ignoring,) saying that she and her people are dogs, and his people are children of God.

He said, "I cannot give give what belongs to the children to dogs." He would not heal the woman's possessed child, until she said that even dogs can eat the scraps that the children leave on the floor.

He would not heal her until she admitted that she and the people she descends from are dogs, and his people are children of god.

And this is what Bible tells:

And, behold, a woman of Canaan coming forth from those borders cried out to Him, saying, Have pity on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is vilely demon-possessed. But He did not answer her a word. And coming near, His disciples asked Him, saying, Send her away, for she cries out after us. But answering, He said, I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. But coming, she worshiped Him, saying, Lord, help me! But answering, He said, It is not good to take the bread of the children to throw it to the little dogs. But she said, Yes, Lord; for even the little dogs eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their lords. Then answering, Jesus said to her, O woman, your faith is great; let it be to you as you desire. And her daughter was healed from that hour.
Matt. 15:22-28

Why you don't remain in truth?

 

[1213]

What do you think is the difference
beteeen lying and making things up?

I think they are as dishonest both, but making things up can be little more demanding, because it usually requires more imagination.

 

[Colt]

Can a person hate God out of a righteous anger for justice and consider him the greatest evil, creating all of this misery, constantly bullying and threatening people, tempting Eve with forbidden fruit so that he could have an excuse to murder and curse her and all of her descendants, and multiply labor pains so that giving birth was the leading cause of why women were dead before the age of 30 (for many centuries.)

And then he afflicts women with menstruation and says everything they touches unclean so that men would kick them out of their house while they were having their period (and yet The God who made it so that it is his idea
nothing anyone but he chose, is he
perfectly clean?

Should we hate venomous serpents for killing thousands of people, or was it God's idea....

when they do not have any nature but to do that, and God gave them that venom because he obviously wants them to terrorize torture and kill people.

I believe that child protective services should take away the license that any God or entity can have to torture and murder people, to leave people confused, to send devil's prowling like roaring Lions to attack and devour their children.

The God who stands by and watches and does nothing while his children are being trafficked, raped, tortured, murdered, or Led into the fires of hell, and threatens them with wailing and gnashing of teeth in the next life, is far more guilty than any criminal who often cannot help themselves or know any better, correct?

Am I evil, or do I simply have compassion?

I read scripture and it is repeatedly telling me God is racist, kills pregnant women and children, tosses souls in a lake of fire, leaves people petrified that they or their loved ones are burning in hell for All eternity, and condemns people for having appetites that he will not take away, condemns them for being mentally ill, and says opposite things are true to cause confusion.

Babel was an attempt at getting people to work together, end division, and help people use their natural resources to build each other up and not destroy each other.

God despised the idea of peace and unity, so he divided everybody to speak different languages, because he needs war , death, fear, starvation, death , and chaos for people to entertain him and turn to him in prayer, no?

I have asked him many times for understanding on these matters, and many times his Spirit seems to tell me that his absolutely the case.

So, which humans in history have ever shown themselves that terrible?

Is this compassion or is this evil, or is compassion evil?

The suffering that you cause yourself invalidates all that self-pity!

God did in fact supply you with a brain and an innate sense of justice which leads you to realize that the God depicted in some parts of the Bible is simply wrong!

A "functional agnostic" is one who knows the true God yet lives as if he doesn't! The functional agnostic uses the failings of institutional religion and inferior doctrine as an EXCUSE to not trust the true God that he already knows!

Lifes not fair and we're not at the fair!

 

[PureX]

Hating a character that you can only imagine for yourself is quite a stupid waste of time and energy. One might take a moment to ask themselves WHY they are wasting all that time and energy on such a clearly foolish habit.

 

[Colt]

Hating a character that you can only imagine for yourself is quite a stupid waste of time and energy. One might take a moment to ask themselves WHY they are wasting all that time and energy on such a clearly foolish habit.

For me, as long as I could find fault with everyone else, even God, then I didn't have to look at my own behavior!

 

[PureX]

For me, as long as I could find fault with everyone else, even God, then I didn't have to look at my own behavior!

I've walked a bit of that road, myself.

 

[Link]

For me, as long as I could find fault with everyone else, even God, then I didn't have to look at my own behavior!

This is the motive.