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BLM and WLM

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Ive heard that statistically, whites are more apt to get shot than blacks. May have to research that.

WRONG, Blacks are 3 times as likely to be killed by Police as whites, get your facts straight
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
We have already had a multiplicity of white attacking blacks -- no need to add to the already known list. My point that apparently it isn't one sided but rather a systemic problem

No, I think your point is to devalue the BLM movement - which has a legitimate case to make over how blacks have been treated for ages - and to just point to a useless piece of information - that all are capable of violence. Well who would have thought! :rolleyes:
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No, I think your point is to devalue the BLM movement - which has a legitimate case to make over how blacks have been treated for ages - and to to just point to a useless piece of information - that all are capable of violence. Well who would have thought! :rolleyes:
No, my point is that not only does BLM but that all lives are at stake here. We already have seen the injustice on black people but we can't just focus on one group at the expense off all groups.
 

halbhh

The wonder and awe of "all things".
I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a race problem but more of a heart problem that is being expressed in so many violent ways. Anger, hatred, unresolved issues.


Whether white on black
Black on white
Black on Black
White on White

or any other variation... something is systemically wrong
Yes, it was such a striking moment to hear someone object to 'black lives matter' (a needed point when some individual police officers (not most) were basically doing extrajudicial executions, and seemingly according to skin color) by countering that 'all lives matter' or 'blue lives matter' or such (as if saying 'black lives matter' implied they matter more than other lives).

Instead of saying "Yes, black lives matter because all lives matter" (what few or none were saying), they were saying a different thing.

They were saying "I (or we) matter too", as if that was in question or not actualized already. As if they were treated as if they did not matter.

It was such a moment, in my view, because suddenly I heard a suggestion of pain, suffering, longing, among some people (of other races) where they are in effect saying (if I can paraphrase the feeling side of it) something like "please, someone care about me!"
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I sense a lot of anger and hatred in your posts. Is there a reason?

Because you've been posting totally racist white supremacist video, and making up false statistics to try and minimize the huge injustices that Black people face.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
White lives need to matter less, and Black lives need to matter more, only then will all lives matter equally.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
No, my point is that not only does BLM but that all lives are at stake here. We already have seen the injustice on black people but we can't just focus on one group at the expense off all groups.

Who is? This is just a nonsense argument. Think the females who tried to get the vote in earlier years made such a stupid comparison - like all kids need the vote as well. Their aim was as legitimate as those advocating for equal treatment for blacks now - and directed towards such.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Yes, it was such a striking moment to hear someone object to 'black lives matter' (a needed point when some individual police officers (not most) were basically doing extrajudicial executions, and seemingly according to skin color) by countering that 'all lives matter' or 'blue lives matter' or such (as if saying 'black lives matter' implied they matter more than other lives).

Instead of saying "Yes, black lives matter because all lives matter" (what few or none were saying), they were saying a different thing.

They were saying "I (or we) matter too", as if that was in question or not actualized already. As if they were treated as if they did not matter.

It was such a moment, in my view, because suddenly I heard a suggestion of pain, suffering, longing, among some people (of other races) where they are in effect saying (if I can paraphrase the feeling side of it) something like "please, someone care about me!"
Yes, as my title did say BLM
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Who is? This is just a nonsense argument. Think the females who tried to get the vote in earlier years made such a stupid comparison - like all kids need the vote as well. Their aim was as legitimate as those advocating for equal treatment for blacks now - and directed towards such.
I don't know where you are going with this. I advocate for equal treatment for blacks.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Again the problem in *this* society is that black men get shot by police or otherwise killed for no good reason.
That is indeed a problem.
But stating it that way disguises the larger problem of police shooting
people of every race for no good reason. (Even more white people
die that way.) And then there are the beatings & harassment.
But even more striking is that 95% of the victims are male. Gender
overwhelms race, eh. But most people accept it as normal that male
behavior causes their own deaths. As I see it, cop behavior causes it.
They're trained to be excessively violent, conditioned to be fearful of
civilians, inadequately vetted (for hatreds, biases, bullying, etc), expected
to treat interactions with us for financial reward, & aware that they're not
fully accountable for their actions.
This isn't just person-on-person violence. it is a representative of our society killing someone and feeling that they can because of the race of the person being killed.

So, yes, violence is endemic in human nature. it always has been. it increases in areas experiencing poverty in close proximity to wealth. It increases when there is a sense of unfairness.

But the point of BLM is that, disproportionately, it is blacks that get killed, or ignored, or are refused basic resources.
It makes sense for BLM to exist, & to vigorously advocate change
for their benefit. But they're not the only demographic with keen &
justified interest in advocating for their own rights.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I don't know where you are going with this. I advocate for equal treatment for blacks.

Well don't try to derail the legitimacy of the issues raised by the usual 'all lives matter' nonsense. Surely you will have noticed that this issue is important to many more than just in the USA - I'm from the UK, and we too still have race issues, as do many other countries. No one is trying to make out blacks to be more important than others in any context but they do have legitimate grievances, and ongoing, so why would any reasonable person not see such?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
To counter such pathetic drivel so long as it seems more responsible than ignoring it.
Counter pathetic drivel Doesn't seem to be working. I don't think anyone is ignoring it. With a black president elected twice, I think are making strides in the right direction
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a race problem but more of a heart problem that is being expressed in so many violent ways. Anger, hatred, unresolved issues.


Whether white on black
Black on white
Black on Black
White on White

or any other variation... something is systemically wrong

Yes, something is systemically wrong. Unfortunately, many white people seem to want to locate that systemic problem everywhere but the obvious.

The race gap
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, something is systemically wrong. Unfortunately, many white people seem to want to locate that systemic problem everywhere but the obvious.

The race gap
Another view....
Many white & black people want to see the problems of policing
as solely about racial discrimination. They ignore other & larger
problems because the focus de jour is BLM.
How to deal with BLM, ALM, WLM, & even MLM?
Recognize that they all have common goals, & that different
perspectives shouldn't create hostility. Better & safer policing
for all is the great need.
 
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