BLM and WLM

[Left Coast]

It would seem to me that white are not aware but actively trying to do fomenting like bringing more accountability. My question is why to do relegate it to just white people

White people are the majority and have historically and systemically held the most power, wealth, and so on (I realize conservatives have a learned automatic aversion to this word, but the shorthand way of saying this is privilege). If things are to change on a broad scale in our society, white people are going to have to be the ones who push the changes to happen. White people are going to have to come to terms with being the inheritors and beneficiaries of a racist system, and work to undo the damage done.

 

[Father Heathen]

Another thing; it's very disingenuous to misconstrue opposition toward misconduct, corruption, incompetence, cover-ups, etc. within law enforcement as "anti-cop sentiment."

 

[Kenny]

Do you support BLM as a movement against systemic racism against blacks? Do you fight alongside of them to protect them from disproportionality being targeted by law enforcement and the criminal justice system, against the discrimination in housing, education, employment, etc?

Most important question. Do you recognize that they are not only disadvantaged by being black, but that they are disproportionality victims of systemic racism, that is systemic in the sense it is built into the systems of society and government to disadvantage them. Do you recognize that as a fact, or are you in denial of that? Please answer that directly.

I do agree that there is racism and profiling. One of my black pastor friends has enumerated it to me thought he doesn't hold to a victim mentality and has prospered in every aspect.

The question is a lot bigger than you make it. Is it built into the systems of society. YES! I like Candace Owens viewpoint that the problem is located in the laws.

 

[Kenny]

I'm pro good-cop, and anti racist-cop. You should be too.

Why do you think I am not?

 

[Kenny]

Both things can be true. We need better/safer policing in general, and we also need to be aware of the undeniably systemically racist conditions that exist both in policing and many other elements of our society, as the link I shared shows.

Great statement!

 

[Kenny]

White people are the majority and have historically and systemically held the most power, wealth, and so on (I realize conservatives have a learned automatic aversion to this word, but the shorthand way of saying this is privilege). If things are to change on a broad scale in our society, white people are going to have to be the ones who push the changes to happen. White people are going to have to come to terms with being the inheritors and beneficiaries of a racist system, and work to undo the damage done.

Yes, the history has been bleak.

But don't you think we have made progress with a black president, Supreme Court Justice, Senator, Representatives, acceptance of bi-racial marriage becoming more and more common?

Even in today's relooking at police policy is a step in the right direction.

But I can't ignore the reality that some at the top of BLM are marxists and are hijacking the effort to bring reconciliation.

 

[Left Coast]

Yes, the history has been bleak.

But don't you think we have made progress with a black president, Supreme Court Justice, Senator, Representatives, acceptance of bi-racial marriage becoming more and more common?

Even in today's relooking at police policy is a step in the right direction.

But I can't ignore the reality that some at the top of BLM are marxists and are hijacking the effort to bring reconciliation.

I do, of course, think we have made progress. And I think the very fact that the goals of BLM have become more mainstream is progress. That doesn't mean, however, that the work is over.

The whole "BLM is Marxist" thing is really a distraction and an excuse made by conservatives in power to maintain the status quo and scare rank and file GOPers, IMO. Focus on the actual policy goals of BLM and help us make changes toward a less systemically racist society.

 

[Stevicus]

In moments when the narrative teeter-totter gets hung up longer on one side than the other, I find it useful to remember an event or two from the past, like this one from March 7, 1965, when I was 17 years old.

I was 1 year old when this happened, although I don't remember much of those early years. I didn't really start to become aware of things until years later, when Nixon was president and Reagan was governor of California. When I was 17 years old, Reagan was elected president. The Iranian hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan were the top issues, and we had to get the Cold War started again. Reagan also seemed hellbent on gutting the US economy so that the looters and pillagers on Wall Street could make a nice profit. But they didn't see it as cause for worry, as they believed it would all "trickle down" so that even Black people could enjoy a nice life in this wonderful land of capitalist opportunity.

Wanton racists like George Wallace were long gone by then, and the KKK were paraded around on the Geraldo Rivera Show like a bunch of side-show freaks. America's image of itself had completely transformed, and we had moved far away from those bitter days of the past. At least that's what a lot of people seemed to think, but all they really wanted was to live in nice comfortable surroundings, in gated communities, hoping against hope that the police and military are strong enough to protect their sanctuaries and bastions. These are/were the "NIMBYs" of our society, the ones who agreed in theory with civil rights, equality, social justice, etc. - except "not in my backyard."

 

[Kenny]

I do, of course, think we have made progress. And I think the very fact that the goals of BLM have become more mainstream is progress. That doesn't mean, however, that the work is over.

The whole "BLM is Marxist" thing is really a distraction and an excuse made by conservatives in power to maintain the status quo and scare rank and file GOPers, IMO. Focus on the actual policy goals of BLM and help us make changes toward a less systemically racist society.

Yes... I don't think we can ever let our guard down. Although I think the admission by the leaders of BLM of being marxist isn't a scare tactic but rather that fact has hindered the progress of BLM IMO

 

[Left Coast]

Yes... I don't think we can ever let our guard down. Although I think the admission by the leaders of BLM of being marxist isn't a scare tactic but rather that fact has hindered the progress of BLM IMO

How so? The only way it's hindered the movement is by being centered by right wing media, because "Marxism" is red meat language that scares and angers conservatives, and therefore biases them against a movement that they already have resistance to (because they're mostly white).

 

[Kenny]

How so? The only way it's hindered the movement is by being centered by right wing media, because "Marxism" is red meat language that scares and angers conservatives, and therefore biases them against a movement that they already have resistance to (because they're mostly white).

Candace Owens (black) may not see it that way

 

[sun rise]

a heart problem
...
there is a systemic problem.

"please, someone care about me!"

I can probably find one story every day about a black person who was followed around a store by a rent-a-cop, yelled at, discriminated against in hiring and promotion, subject to unequal education in school, subjected to racist code-phrases by the tyrant (trump), yelled at by an out of control lunatic and so forth.

Dealing with cops is just one example of the universal systemic problem.

The cure is not the logical fallacy of "whataboutism". The problem is indeed a heart problem and the solution has to be a heart solution.

It does not involve asserting this other group is suffering. It involves seeing the pain and feeling the pain and responding with a loving heart to the pain.

Until we can stand in their shoes and feel what it's like to be them, there is no permanent solution, there are just band-aids.

Part of the solution involves the attitude of police toward their jobs. I can and read stories about positive interaction with cops such as the one about a complaint with teen-age blacks. The cop showed up and shot hoops with the kids. Problem solved. Until police see their role not as swaggering around asserting their power but rather serving the community, we'll continue to be stuck.

 

[Left Coast]

Candace Owens (black) may not see it that way

I realize that the occasional token black person who conservatives can find to spout their talking points may reify their beliefs and convince them that their ideology doesn't perpetuate systemic racism. However, Candace Owens' perspective is a) not remotely representative of her race and gender, and b) woefully uninformed.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

imagine how absolutely racist you have to be to put together such a biased unconnected set of videos, white people suck!!

And yet, you make an obviously racist statement in your response. Ironic, isn't it?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Candace Owens (black) may not see it that way

Candace Owen is basically a puppet of the far-right. Perhaps you should consider the opinions of a wider range of black people.

 

[Revoltingest]

Candace Owen is basically a puppet of the far-right. Perhaps you should consider the opinions of a wider range of black people.

Why do you think she doesn't think for herself?
She could very well be an independent thinker, one made prominent by
those who see her as an effective useful representative of their views.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

Why do you think she doesn't think for herself?
She could very well be an independent thinker, one made prominent by
those who see her as an effective useful representative of their views.

I think she does think for herself. She's obviously very biased, though. But that's pretty common for all political pundits.

 

[Kenny]

Candace Owen is basically a puppet of the far-right. Perhaps you should consider the opinions of a wider range of black people.

That is a demonstration of a closed mind to information she supports statistically and having come from the Democratic Party, I think she has a good handle on things

 

[Mindmaster]

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a race problem but more of a heart problem that is being expressed in so many violent ways. Anger, hatred, unresolved issues.

Marxists-Intersectionalists and White Supremacists agree on everything. They only disagree on how that philosophy should be executed.

 

[Deeje]

No, my point is that not only does BLM but that all lives are at stake here. We already have seen the injustice on black people but we can't just focus on one group at the expense off all groups.

We are all members of the same race....the human race....
Why does it matter what color a person is?
We all bleed the same color.

Stop teaching our kids to hate.