BLM and WLM

[Shaul]

I realize that the occasional token black person who conservatives can find to spout their talking points may reify their beliefs and convince them that their ideology doesn't perpetuate systemic racism. However, Candace Owens' perspective is a) not remotely representative of her race and gender, and b) woefully uninformed.

So do the White BLM “protesters” committing violence and fighting Black police officers represent White people? By what right did you take away Candace Owen’s Blackness? Are Blacks only “really” Black when they stay on some political plantation? When will BLM be renamed to “Black Lives Matter Run By White People”, BLMRBWP?

 

[Shaul]

Candace Owen is basically a puppet of the far-right. Perhaps you should consider the opinions of a wider range of black people.

So you pin a completely subjective label on a Black person, pigeon hole her and dismiss her, then tell someone else to accept opinions from a wider range of black people(whatever that is supposed to mean) all the while doing to opposite yourself. Oh, the irony.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

What is the answer? I don't know. In the Christian perspective, a change of heart is the only answer.

It helps, but it’s not the solution the Bible gives....Jesus taught his followers to pray for the “Kingdom to come (Matthew 6:9-10)”.
That Kingdom will accomplish global rulership (Daniel 2:44), bring about Revelation 11:18c, and ultimately, provide permanent relief for mankind. Revelation 21:3-4

Stay healthy, my cousin!

 

[Nova2216]

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a race problem but more of a heart problem that is being expressed in so many violent ways. Anger, hatred, unresolved issues.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3408468395830388

Whether white on black
Black on white
Black on Black
White on White

or any other variation... something is systemically wrong

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
(KJV)

 

[Nova2216]

It helps, but it’s not the solution the Bible gives....Jesus taught his followers to pray for the “Kingdom to come (Matthew 6:9-10)”.
That Kingdom will accomplish global rulership (Daniel 2:44), bring about Revelation 11:18c, and ultimately, provide permanent relief for mankind. Revelation 21:3-4

Stay healthy, my cousin!

I thought (Rev.1:1-3) said these things must SHORTLY COME TO PASS.

This information was wrote to the seven churches in Asia (Rev.1:11).

These things were not to happen 2000 yrs later.

The things after chapter 3 are FIGURATIVE and not literal.


I do not want to get away from the OP but I wanted to post this information for people to think about.

 

[Left Coast]

So do the White BLM “protesters” committing violence and fighting Black police officers represent White people? By what right did you take away Candace Owen’s Blackness? Are Blacks only “really” Black when they stay on some political plantation? When will BLM be renamed to “Black Lives Matter Run By White People”, BLMRBWP?

There's no need to hyperventilate. I didn't take away anyone's blackness. I said her ignorant views are not representative of most black women in the US, who are overwhelmingly Democrats. I'm sorry if that frustrates you.

Listen, there are quite bright, thoughtful, well-informed non-white people on the Right. Condoleeza Rice comes to mind. Candace Owens, however, is a joke. She exemplifies the silliest, most ignorant kind of conservative. She peddles dumb conspiracies and has no clue what she's talking about. I don't know why you guys defend her so ardently. She's not doing you any favors, politically speaking.

 

[Nova2216]

The Candace Owens Show

What Does Black America Want?

The Candace Owens Show: What Does Black America Want?

 

[Tambourine]

Are Blacks only “really” Black when they stay on some political plantation?

That's pretty gross.

 

[Tambourine]

We are all members of the same race....the human race....
Why does it matter what color a person is?
We all bleed the same color.

Stop teaching our kids to hate.

Agreed, let's start talking about the numerous innocent victims of police violence.

 

[Tambourine]

Marxists-Intersectionalists and White Supremacists agree on everything. They only disagree on how that philosophy should be executed.

Can you cite a single "Marxist Intersectionalist" in favor of "ethnostates" or "peaceful genocide"?

 

[Deeje]

Agreed, let's start talking about the numerous innocent victims of police violence.

Racism is not born in us...it has to be taught either by word, attitude or actions.

One only needs to be exposed to people who are "low lifes" who don't care about anyone, to develop a hatred for them. For every bad cop, there are many more good ones. We need to feed people the good news stories, not just the bad news stories.
Build up, not tear down.

We need to see more of this.....

In areas where racism is seen as attacks on people because of their race, particularly when it is police who are the offenders, wouldn't it be a good idea to have black cops in black neighborhoods and white cops in white neighborhoods until we can reign in this racial hatred and teach kids and cops that color makes no difference to a person's character.

People who break the law come in all colors and the people enforcing those laws need to be trained in how to address the existing racial hatreds so that these victims of police violence, based on race, will hopefully dry up.

We can share the planet....we just have to put down our prejudices and make it happen.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't a race problem but more of a heart problem that is being expressed in so many violent ways. Anger, hatred, unresolved issues.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3408468395830388

Whether white on black
Black on white
Black on Black
White on White

or any other variation... something is systemically wrong

It is very distressing to see.

I think part of it is the exclusive promotion of a specific characteristic or race. I tend to view this as a mistake.

Even if it's made with good intention, it still comes across as exclusive as it's based off of superficiality, and in doing so could be misinterpreted or misunderstood on the basis of that resulting in further friction and divide.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I thought (Rev.1:1-3) said these things must SHORTLY COME TO PASS.

Remember though, it's God's Revelation (given to Jesus who then passed it on to John). We've been given His view of time at https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1101988003/4/0 .

Besides, do you really think the ride of the Four Horsemen has already occurred? Or that Revelation 11:18 has been fulfilled?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're both correct, if I infer the statements accordingly.
(There is imprecision in both.)
Cops are more likely to shoot & kill someone who is white.
But being black poses an individual risk several times
greater than being white. Relative population size is a
factor here.
Ref, a Snopes piece...
Do Police Kill More White People Than Black People?

Native Americans are the most likely to be killed by police. Black are three times more likely. Natives are five times more likely.

 

[Revoltingest]

Native Americans are the most likely to be killed by police. Black are three times more likely. Natives are five times more likely.

And men are about 20 times more likely than women.
No wonder you switched !!!

 

[Kenny]

It is very distressing to see.

I think part of it is the exclusive promotion of a specific characteristic or race. I tend to view this as a mistake.

Even if it's made with good intention, it still comes across as exclusive as it's based off of superficiality, and in doing so could be misinterpreted or misunderstood on the basis of that resulting in further friction and divide.

I will agree with your assessment. What struck me was simply that the issue wasn't just about white on black but it actually is a two way street.

But your assessment is still good!

 

[Revoltingest]

....wouldn't it be a good idea to have black cops in black neighborhoods and white cops in white neighborhoods until we can reign in this racial hatred....

I heard on a Hidden Brain podcast of an interesting bit of research
on implicit racism. They tested many people from all walks of life,
including cops. They discovered that white cops did have an implicit
bias against blacks. But surprisingly, so did the black cops.

Most of the killings of civilians by cops are same race. (Remember
Freddie Gray in Baltimore....3 of the 6 killers are black.) So the problem
is much bigger than race. 95% of the killings are of males...which no
one seems to care about. But I'll wager that cops are more fearful of
men than women, & are more likely to shoot for fault threat perception.

What I see is so very many people making it about race because
that is the singular focus of our time. But it means ignoring all else.
Ya canna solve a problem if ya look only at part of the problem.
I say....
- Augment cops with facilitators, social workers,
& others skilled at defusing conflicts.
- Demilitarize cops.
- Vet applicants to prevent racists, bullies, the
violence prone, & hotheads from becoming cops.
- Train them for non-violent options.
- Make it a profession with higher pay to go with
more demanding requirements.
- Ensure accountability for their actions.
- End the us-vs-civilians cop culture.
- Sanction cops for even minor abuse of civilians.
For example...
If a licensed real estate broker used a bigoted term towards a
protected group, they'd be hauled in front of the licensing board,
& punished. It could be a hefty fine. It could also be the horror
of having to take the broker licensing prep course again.

Anyone may add to this list.
I can't think of everything, ya know!

 

[Nova2216]

Remember though, it's God's Revelation (given to Jesus who then passed it on to John). We've been given His view of time at https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1101988003/4/0 .

Besides, do you really think the ride of the Four Horsemen has already occurred? Or that Revelation 11:18 has been fulfilled?

The apostles was given ALL the words of the Lord according to (Jn 14:26 ; 16:13).



All things pertaining to life and godliness were given to the apostles (2Peter 1:3).

 

[Mindmaster]

Can you cite a single "Marxist Intersectionalist" in favor of "ethnostates" or "peaceful genocide"?

That's white nationalism and not necessarily congruent with white supremacy. (A majority of white supremacists in the USA are KKK, they have no ethnostate/genocide ideology.) So, if you take that talking point away, what do you get?

Both agree things should be given and taken away based on color -- this is the fundamental tenet of racism or that color should be used as a factor over everything else including merit. The Marxist-Int. crowd is even far more complicated it's discrimination and has a huge hierarchy list of who is supposed to receive rewards first. For example: PoC LGBT+> LGBT+ > Women(PoC) > Men(PoC) > Women > Women (Old) > Men > Men (Old). It's actually far more complicated than that because races are even "broke down" even further. That hierarchy for PoC is something like: Native Americans > African-Americans > Hispanics > Asians > White. (TBH, it's all way more complex than this... I'm extremely simplifying. This idea seems to be very mutable presently as well, I'm just saying that it's a consideration.)

Anyway, any argument that they're not similar is hilarious and Marxism-Intersectionality is way more bigoted than white power considering that ageism is baked in as well. It's simple enough to say though if you're white there is nothing useful in it, and if you're not you're probably morally bankrupt if you embrace the ideology.

 

[Tambourine]

That's white nationalism and not necessarily congruent with white supremacy. (A majority of white supremacists in the USA are KKK, they have no ethnostate/genocide ideology.) So, if you take that talking point away, what do you get?

First of all, I don't really see a significant ideological distinction between the two. Second of all, in practical terms there has been considerable overlap between the KKK, Neonazism, and other elements of White nationalist or right-wing extremism. (Ex-)members of the KKK were heavily involved in the creation of the Neonazi website Stormfront, for example.

Third of all, you haven't answered my question.

Both agree things should be given and taken away based on color -- this is the fundamental tenet of racism or that color should be used as a factor over everything else including merit.

Do you actually believe that people of color and poor people are underrepresented in high positions of power and elite institutions due to their lack of merit compared to White people from economically privileged backgrounds? Do you have an alternate explanation for this long-standing lopsidedness?

The Marxist-Int. crowd is even far more complicated it's discrimination and has a huge hierarchy list of who is supposed to receive rewards first. For example: PoC LGBT+> LGBT+ > Women(PoC) > Men(PoC) > Women > Women (Old) > Men > Men (Old). It's actually far more complicated than that because races are even "broke down" even further. That hierarchy for PoC is something like: Native Americans > African-Americans > Hispanics > Asians > White. (TBH, it's all way more complex than this... I'm extremely simplifying. This idea seems to be very mutable presently as well, I'm just saying that it's a consideration.)

Can you support these claims with any reliable source, or am I supposed to take your word for it as an, it seems, self appointed expert on "Marxist Intersectionalism"?

Who are these "Marxist Intersectionalists"? What are they saying and doing?
You've given me nothing factual to hold onto so far.

Anyway, any argument that they're not similar is hilarious and Marxism-Intersectionality is way more bigoted than white power considering that ageism is baked in as well. It's simple enough to say though if you're white there is nothing useful in it, and if you're not you're probably morally bankrupt if you embrace the ideology.

You still haven't given me a single example of a person factually part of this supposed ideology doing anything that could be conceivably construed to resemble what you are describing.

I was hoping for something more substantial than vague rants here, to be honest. It's disappointing that you don't seem to be able to offer anything resembling a well-supported argument.