BLM Masks At Whole Foods

[Revoltingest]

They had to ditch it.

Slavery is equal opportunity now.

It's not slavery if one has the right to just up & quit.
This is very different from being owned like cattle.

 

[Revoltingest]

Firstly, I would sell my share of Amazon stock. Secondly, I would point out the racist drivers to all my fellow BLM comrades who would make the Amazon drivers pay a heft price for daring to wear white supremacist crap in our neighborhood. Finally, I would have to shop or order delivery online from non-racist local businesses.

Every non-racist business would also be required
to allow political speech on hats. So you might
have to become an off the grid hermit.
And my cave is already taken!

 

[Suave]

The general rule in America is if you allow for one you have to allow for all. If they allow a BLM mask then it goes out of their hands and they must allow employees to wear MAGA masks.

Perhaps so, but I figured a work around that. See post #28. Furthermore, any employee who dared wear racist crap around my community would likely be attacked in the parking lot after the end of their shift.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I note the "can be" qualifier. You have a problem there.
Are you familiar with "auditors", ie, people who intentionally
do things that provoke others, but are constitutionally
protected, eg, recording police encounters, open carry?
Many are designed to provoke. Cops try to treat these
acts as "disturbing the peace", but provocation alone
has been found to be a poor basis in court.
To claim a symbol is a physical threat is unreasonable.

You dare suggest my legal instincts might differ from those of a trained lawyer. I am mercifully unaware of auditors, however I do have youtube. A KKK symbol and a Nazi symbol will not be treated the same in court as other symbols. Mark my claim, and pee on it later if proven wrong. They simply aren't treated in the same way, and sometimes that's how it goes. Recently US states began removing the confederate symbols from state flags. Why? Because they scare people. Its not because of an extreme devotion to justice. They are perceived as threatening from their history of being used as threats. Law is a practice, and its search for justice is similar to that of the blind ant searching for its path. The law swings left. The law swings right. Then back again, touching, feeling. People get hurt in the process, but that is how justice works. Its a practice not a science. In the final tally there can be an exception for symbols that people find threatening, and then fifty years from now that exception can be reversed. Worse things have happened.

MAGA hats do provoke hostilities.
And if they proliferate, it could certainly interfere
with business. I can imagine an auditor wearing
a Confederate flag to test the store, co-workers,
& the cops.
Violence against Trump Supports and MAGA Hat Wearers Continues | National Review

MAGA hats simply aren't as bad as Nazi or KKK hats. They simply don't have the same store of shock and evil, not in the US.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Perhaps so, but I figured a work around that. See post #28. Furthermore, any employee who dared wear racist crap around my community would likely be attacked in the parking lot after the end of their shift.

Wouldn't work (it would be illegal), and you don't think another work around would happen?
And remind me to avoid your community. If they are that prone to violence it isn't safe. Attacking people for something like that is always wrong and never justified. Except when you allow for exceptions and special circumstances in your morality that is already quite flexible. This is hiw Christian extremists have justified their own violence despite the command of thou shalt not kill.

 

[Suave]

Wouldn't work (it would be illegal), and you don't think another work around would happen?
And remind me to avoid your community. If they are that prone to violence it isn't safe. Attacking people for something like that is always wrong and never justified. Except when you allow for exceptions and special circumstances in your morality that is already quite flexible. This is hiw Christian extremists have justified their own violence despite the command of thou shalt not kill.

Fortunately, nobody around my neighborhood has been shot dead, clubbed or stabbed to death so far this year. However, I'm guessing overtly racist people would very well get roughed up if they dared flaunted their hateful racism around us here. If you are a non-racist who is well aware of your surroundings, you would be safe most of the time in the underserved communities where my brother and I make door dash deliveries.

 

[Suave]

Every non-racist business would also be required
to allow political speech on hats. So you might
have to become an off the grid hermit.
And my cave is already taken!

I'm just about one more trade away from being able to leave this so called "civilization" and going off-grid. I'm fed up with being a part of this rat race.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fortunately, nobody around my neighborhood has been shot dead, clubbed or stabbed to death so far this year. However, I'm guessing overtly racist people would very well get roughed up if they dared flaunted their hateful racism around us here. If you are a non-racist who is well aware of your surroundings, you would be safe most of the time in the underserved communities where my brother and I make door dash deliveries.

Yeah, I don't want to live in fear of walking on eggshells, especially since I don't always realize how what I say can be interpreted by others (and it has gotten me in trouble in the past).
And I'm still not cool with people getting "roughed up." Violence usually doesn't solve anything in a positive way and it's known for escalating situations and making things worse. And unless it's in self defense the violence is likely indefensible.
Truly, it would scare me to be somewhere were people get beaten up for stuff like that. I wasn't treated the best in Indiana, but no one attacked me for not fitting in and having views that often offend the locals. And if it's happening to one group, that group will only take so much before they lash out at someone.

 

[F1fan]

Then what happens when an employee wants to wear "white lives matter" insignia?

AKA, white supremacist. Also see: MAGA mask.

 

[Revoltingest]

You dare suggest my legal instincts might differ from those of a trained lawyer. I am mercifully unaware of auditors, however I do have youtube. A KKK symbol and a Nazi symbol will not be treated the same in court as other symbols. Mark my claim, and pee on it later if proven wrong. They simply aren't treated in the same way, and sometimes that's how it goes. Recently US states began removing the confederate symbols from state flags. Why? Because they scare people. Its not because of an extreme devotion to justice. They are perceived as threatening from their history of being used as threats. Law is a practice, and its search for justice is similar to that of the blind ant searching for its path. The law swings left. The law swings right. Then back again, touching, feeling. People get hurt in the process, but that is how justice works. Its a practice not a science. In the final tally there can be an exception for symbols that people find threatening, and then fifty years from now that exception can be reversed. Worse things have happened.


MAGA hats simply aren't as bad as Nazi or KKK hats. They simply don't have the same store of shock and evil, not in the US.

Removing Confederate symbols from state property
is far far different from banning private display.
Free speech rights are all about protecting offensive
speech. It's why people can openly demonstrate
for causes like the KKK...complete with robes, hoods,
& insignias. So if it's legal speech, & government forces
business to allow one kind of speech in the workplace,
be prepared for speech you really detest.

BTW, auditors are causing changes in police departments.
Not all, but many are finding that they must adjust to
permitting 1st & 4th Amendment rights of even provocateurs.
Look at how much these auditors cost government because
of cop misbehavior towards them...$10K, $45K, $295K.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then what happens when an employee wants to wear "white lives matter" insignia?

The left would rationalize that as being banworthy (I suspect).

 

[F1fan]

I'm just about one more trade away from being able to leave this so called "civilization" and going off-grid. I'm fed up with being a part of this rat race.

I'm getting close myself. Where is there a safe place to be off the grid any more?

 

[anna.]

AKA, white supremacist. Also see: MAGA mask.

I swear if I saw a MAGA mask on an employee I'd walk right out of there. And that's why I think employers should be able to proscribe political emblems of any kind.

 

[anna.]

The left would rationalize that as being banworthy (I suspect).

Some would. But I wouldn't generalize to a monolith.

 

[anna.]

I'm getting close myself. Where is there a safe place to be off the grid any more?

New Zealand but they probably won't let you in.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some would. But I wouldn't generalize to a monolith.

I agree.
And I think they'd eventually mostly come around to recognizing
that if business must provide a venue for one kind of political
speech, that it would apply to highly offensive ones.

It seems that most people don't consider unintended consequences.
Any time you give government power to do something for you, it's
also the power to do something to you.

 

[Jainarayan]

There is no “right to work” in most states in the US, there is no “freedom of speech” in the workplace. Keep your political, religious and philosophical statements out of the workplace.

Freedom Of Speech In The Workplace: The First Amendment Revisited - FindLaw

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no “right to work” in most states in the US, there is no “freedom of speech” in the workplace. Keep your political, religious and philosophical statements out of the workplace.

Freedom Of Speech In The Workplace: The First Amendment Revisited - FindLaw

But one must be careful not to fire someone
for what appears to be an unlawful reason.

 

[Jainarayan]

But one must be careful not to fire someone
for what appears to be an unlawful reason.

Without doubt!

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm getting close myself. Where is there a safe place to be off the grid any more?

Van life?