BMJ: A Company Hired by Pfizer for COVID Trials Falsified Data

[Jainarayan]

Individually, yes. Collectively, less so.

I didn’t say anything about collectively. I said it casts doubt. Why are there malpractice suits? Hmm... I wonder. Oh wait... I got it. Because doctors are sometimes, alarmingly so, wrong!

At 2:50 Fraudci starts backpedaling, I mean speaking... meh, same thing with him.

A longer video, gives him more opportunity to squirm. At every turn he’s been caught in a lie and peddling lies and misinformation. This is the man you worship as an expert?

Tell me why these are untrue and that I’m making this up. This is him talking.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes, yes it is. It casts doubt on doctors’ opinions. Do you accept the first opinion of a doctor or do you get a second opinion if the first doesn’t sound right? Why would you get a second opinion? Oh right! Because doctors can be wrong!

I have several doctors I see, and a couple in my family. Second opinions are a dime a dozen. It's also called practice for a reason. Doesn't mean I'm not going to trust the ones I am entrusting my care too on a regular basis.

 

[Jainarayan]

I have several doctors I see, and a couple in my family. Second opinions are a dime a dozen. It's also called practice for a reason. Doesn't mean I'm not going to trust the ones I am entrusting my care too on a regular basis.

I agree, you can’t distrust everyone. Conversely you can’t blindly trust everyone because they have a degree and initials after their name. That’s what I see a lot of people on social media doing. Ever hear the joke “What do you call a person who graduates last from medical school?” “Doctor”.

 

[InChrist]

I know you didn't bother to check out the source of your copy/paste diatribe.

What is SSRN?
https://support.ssrn.com › knowledgebase

Nov 9, 2018 — SSRN is a searchable online library that enables authors to post their papers and abstracts easily and free of charge.

SSRN is a platform for the dissemination of early-stage research. We are not a peer-reviewed journal, and we do not publish or distribute hard copies.
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By their own admission, anyone can post anything on their site.



You really need to ask yourself why you believe Facebook posters over real scientists. And, yes, SSRN is no better than Facebook. SSRN is owned by Elsevier.

I'd suggest you do some research, but I know you won't.





ETA: No one is impressed by a wall of copy/pasted text. It just shows an inability to post your own thoughts.

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So what? That doesn’t necessarily invalidate the study. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with SSRN or Elsevier.

Elsevier - Wikipedia

As long as we’re on the subject of compromise within government health agencies...

CDC Compromised by Bias and Conflicts of Interest, - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

 

[The Hammer]

“What do you call a person who graduates last from medical school?” “Doctor”.

And I'd trust them as much as the person who was valedictorian.

 

[Jainarayan]

And I'd trust them as much as the person who was valedictorian.

Because they have a medical degree? What about the person who was ranking ahead of them but never graduated due to... let’s say financial or family issues. While they can’t legally practice medicine, would you not ask them for advice and recommendations?

My point is that people are seduced by the degree, that’s all they consider. Fortunately that doctor in my”cool story” is not my regular doctor. He wanted to know who that doctor was.

 

[The Hammer]

Because they have a medical degree? What about the person who was ranking ahead of them but never graduated due to... let’s say financial or family issues. While they can’t legally practice medicine, would you not ask them for advice and recommendations?

My point is that people are seduced by the degree, that’s all they consider. Fortunately that doctor in my”cool story” is not my regular doctor. He wanted to know who that doctor was.

Well the one who didn't graduate isn't licensed to practice regardless of skills obtained.

And someone who graduates medical school still isn't allowed to practice without 4-7 years residency and several licensure exams later.

Edit: my point is it's more then "a degree", practical application experience is required before ever seeing patients.

Edit 2: Do you trust your plumber or electrician? Or do you second guess their expertise as well?

 

[Jainarayan]

Well the one who didn't graduate isn't licensed to practice regardless of skills obtained.

And someone who graduates medical school still isn't allowed to practice without 4-7 years residency and several licensure exams later.

I said that. That has nothing to do with their knowledge. Does no one read, or are they just eager to try to one-up? In any event, that doesn’t negate their knowledge, which is what this is about. I’m seeing a clear pattern of deflection in posts from some people.

Edit: my point is it's more then "a degree", practical application experience is required before ever seeing patients.

That doesn’t negate their knowledge, maybe even over the doctor who sees patients.

Edit 2: Do you trust your plumber or electrician? Or do you second guess their expertise as well?

Not always. Yes. I threw a plumber out once and told his employer I didn’t want him back.

 

[The Hammer]

I said that. That has nothing to do with their knowledge. Does no one read, or are they just eager to try to one-up? In any event, that doesn’t negate their knowledge, which is what this is about. I’m seeing a clear pattern of deflection in posts from some people.



That doesn’t negate their knowledge, maybe even over the doctor who sees patients.



Not always. Yes. I threw a plumber out once and told his employer I didn’t want him back.

Eager to one up, nope, didn't care enough to read the conversation.

I gave you an answer.

Legally not allowed to practice is not where I get my advice from, regardless of schooling.

I'm done with this conversation FYI. As my smartass meme should have made apparent earlier.

 

[ecco]

Ever hear the joke “What do you call a person who graduates last from medical school?” “Doctor”.

You don't have to have to lowest ranking to be an idiot. Case in point: Dr. Oz

He was class president and is a cardiothoracic surgeon. He also peddeled fat-burner. His biggest claim to fame is that Oprah put him on America's radar.

He's far worse than any anti-vaxxer on Facebook.

 

[ecco]

So what? That doesn’t necessarily invalidate the study. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with SSRN or Elsevier.

You see nothing wrong? Really? SSRN lets anyone self-publish any kind of nonsense. Yet you consider the authors to reliable because their paper was published by SSRN.

The fact that you don't see the problem speaks very loudly.

 

[pearl]

And the anti-COVID vax conspiracy deepens.

Because they have the sure cure

The social media posts started in May: photos and videos of smiling people, mostly women, drinking Mason jars of black liquid, slathering black paste on their faces and feet, or dipping babies and dogs in tubs of the black water. They tagged the posts #BOO and linked to a website that sold a product called Black Oxygen Organics.
BOO: Or how “magic dirt” became a MLM miracle cure scam for COVID-19 | Science-Based Medicine (sciencebasedmedicine.org)

 

[ecco]

They tagged the posts #BOO and linked to a website that sold a product called Black Oxygen Organics.
BOO: Or how “magic dirt” became a MLM miracle cure scam for COVID-19 | Science-Based Medicine (sciencebasedmedicine.org)

From your link...

Put more simply, the product is dirt — four-and-a-half ounces of it, sealed in a sleek black plastic baggie and sold for $110 plus shipping.​

Too hilarious for words. I just love it when the idiots get scammed.

Thanks for the post.