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Body Shame and Christianity

Skwim

Veteran Member
I recently came upon this disturbing account of growing up with the shame of sex, and the role Christianity plays in developing ones attitudes toward sexuality..

[Today’s guest post is written by Kylie, a friend and former evangelical who lives in the Pacific Northwest.]


We start getting messages about sex and the culturally approved ways of expressing our sexuality long before our bodies even hit puberty. From birth, we are surrounded by these messages and we absorb and internalize them in the same way we begin to identify and learn other cultural influences like language. Many of these messages come from the society around us, many come from our immediate home environment, but often the most vivid and impactful messages come from the personal experiences we have when we encounter and explore sexuality for ourselves.

Growing up in the church, I got a lot of messages about sex. Some were explicit and clear cut, like the laws about who could have sex (heterosexual, married couples only!). Some were not quite as clear (Is oral sex a sin?), and many of the messages were implied, existing as an unspoken understanding and general attitude towards sexuality among believers which they never state out loud.

Early Confrontations with Body Shame
When I was about 5 years old, there was a neighbor boy with whom I would often “play doctor.” This basically consisted of stripping down and looking at each other’s genitals. The exploration was fueled by curiosity, a mutual fascination with our bodies, and the fact that we didn’t have matching “parts.” Usually after 15 minutes or so, we got bored of inspecting each other and we would move on to other games (at five that’s about as far as it goes). On one occasion an adult in my family caught us and I was terrified by the harsh reaction we received for our activities. My friend was taken home to his house and I was not allowed to play with him ever again. Around the same time, I was caught masturbating (although at the time I had no idea what I was doing), and again the intensely negative reaction left a lasting impression in my mind. I remember standing at a sink, being told to wash my hands, because they were “dirty.” I don’t remember any explanation for the intensity of their reaction, but I received the message loud and clear that I had been doing something terribly wrong.

As I grew, the messages and experiences compiled to form a complete picture in my mind which informed me about the way to approach and think about sexuality. I began to think of sex in a strange and often paradoxical way: On one hand, when explicitly discussed, they said sex is a “gift from God.. It was described as a beautiful experience that connects you to your spouse physically, emotionally, and spiritually. They often referenced the Song of Solomon to illustrate how erotic sex can be, and how beautiful is intimacy when sanctified by God. On the other hand, I was taught that there is a “dark side” to sex. Anything outside of the biblically defined parameters of pure, marital, God condoned sex placed you somewhere on a very slippery slope that ultimately lead to destruction and depravity. These activities included: premarital sex, homosexuality, pornography, masturbation, immodesty, thinking about sex too much (lust), as well as a myriad of other deviant sexual practices (I guess barn animals are next).

Sexual sins were understood to be different from other sins. A sexual sin was committed against our own body, which was not our own, but a temple of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Corinthians 6:18-20). Sexual sin corrupted body, mind and soul, in a way that other sins did not. These sins defiled the heart and mind, and in extreme cases were described as the work of demons. They frightened us with cautionary tales about poor souls who indulged in seemingly innocent sins like masturbation or viewing pornography only to find themselves in an uncontrollable spiral of debauchery and sexual deviance that ultimately ruined their lives.

Around 10 years old, I discovered (again) the joys of masturbation. During a particularly vigorous session, I had an orgasm for the first time. As soon as the physical sensations subsided, I was mortified. I vaguely understood what an orgasm was, but had thought that it only could occur during intercourse. I assumed that this was why masturbation was a sin, because it could lead to orgasm, which should only occur within a marriage context. I dared not talk to anyone for clarification about what had happened, so I was left to draw my own conclusions about what I had done and what it meant.

I became convinced that I had ruined my future marriage and essentially lost my virginity (to myself?) and I was overwhelmed with a sense of panic. I begged God for forgiveness and vowed to never touch myself again. I prayed for his strength to help me be strong and resist the temptations of the enemy. My future happiness seemed to hang by a thread, and I was determined to resist my evil desires and restore my purity.

My resolve and commitment lasted a few weeks, but I soon gave in to temptation. Immediately after, I was flooded with intense guilt and an overwhelming fear that I had done irreparable damage to my future. Again, I pleaded with God for another chance to prove myself. Thus began a cycle that lasted well into my adulthood. I would resist my fleshly desires, sometimes for a period of weeks (usually days), but inevitably I would give in, and then immediately experience intense guilt, anxiety, and disgust at my weakness. I would often cry myself to sleep afterwards, desperate at my inability to control myself and terrified about the consequences it would ultimately have for me. As this cycle continued, I developed an underlying mistrust and hatred of my own body and the way it would respond, regardless of how much I prayed and repented and willed myself to ignore it.

Lies the Church Tells about Female Sexuality
Christianity is full of messages about sexuality and how that should be expressed for each gender. For example, we were told that women don’t really think about sex (I beg to differ) and that served to multiply my shame and it amplified the feeling that I was “not normal.” I had “too much of a sex drive.” We were told that boys were visually stimulated and thought about sex on a near constant basis. We were often told that “guys use love to get sex, while girls use sex to get love.” Married women would joke about how they tolerated sex because it was their “wifely duty,” and it helped them get their husband to take out the trash. There was no mention of women who engaged in sex enthusiastically, regularly, and for the pure enjoyment of the physical act itself. In the Bible, men were warned to stay away from women like this, because it would surely lead to ruin. Girls who were promiscuous were just “looking for love” or having “daddy issues.” Surely they couldn’t simply be interested in sex because they enjoyed it.

I learned to see my sex drive and overactive interest in sexual topics as further evidence that there was something very sick and corrupted inside me. I had no framework to analyze my sexual feelings/behavior other than the Christian mindset, and the isolation of guilt prevented me from talking to anyone about it. I believed that I had invited demonic influences into my life and given them a “foothold” by my continuous sexual sin. I lived with a deep and shameful part of myself that I hid from everyone. Even in my closest relationships, I believed that if this person really knew the truth about me, they would be as disgusted as I was with my activities, and they would reject me.

When I left Christianity a few years ago, I slowly began to realize exactly how much of an impact this guilt and secrecy had wrought in my life. The damage was not confined to how I felt about sexuality; it had ripple effects that spread into the rest of my life and had a huge effect on how I related to myself and others. My journey today is focused on rebuilding, getting to know/accept who I am, and learning how to be comfortable with myself and my sexuality.
source

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Putting yourself in her narrative as a good friend, at any point(s) would you step in and confirm the teachings of her religion and advise, "Stay on the straight and narrow with the Lord," or might you attempt to console her with a, "You're right. They're wrong"?

Lastly, recognizing that Kylie belonged to a non-denominational Christian church and that it may not represent the norm within Christianity, what is your opinion of such religious instruction?


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arthra

Baha'i
Putting yourself in her narrative as a good friend, at any point(s) would you step in and confirm the teachings of her religion and to "Stay on the straight and narrow with the Lord," or might you attempt to console her with a, "You're right. They're wrong"?

Lastly, recognizing that Kylie belonged to a non-denominational Christian church and that it may not represent the norm within Christianity, what is your opinion of such religious instruction?

Well I can only suggest that sexuality changes over time and developes... Counseling nowadays we tend to minimize guilt and shame in regards to sex as opposed say to our Victorian forebears and emphasize understanding ourselves and accepting our sexual nature.

Therapy and counseling for each case will be different depending but should we feel uncomfortable about our sexuality we should I think seek professional help.

For me personally the institution of marriage and faithfulness to one's spouse is an important step and one that can't be simply rationalized or minimalized.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
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When I left Christianity a few years ago, I slowly began to realize exactly how much of an impact this guilt and secrecy had wrought in my life. The damage was not confined to how I felt about sexuality; it had ripple effects that spread into the rest of my life and had a huge effect on how I related to myself and others. My journey today is focused on rebuilding, getting to know/accept who I am, and learning how to be comfortable with myself and my sexuality.​

Putting yourself in her narrative as a good friend, at any point(s) would you step in and confirm the teachings of her religion and to "Stay on the straight and narrow with the Lord," or might you attempt to console her with a, "You're right. They're wrong"?

Lastly, recognizing that Kylie belonged to a non-denominational Christian church and that it may not represent the norm within Christianity, what is your opinion of such religious instruction?

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This is synchronous, I had this conversation with my wife this morning; we were both brought up in conservative/evangelical Christianity, and we had similar experiences; I would say this is more or less the norm within Christianity IMO.
 

Talmai

Member
Putting yourself in her narrative as a good friend, at any point(s) would you step in and confirm the teachings of her religion and to "Stay on the straight and narrow with the Lord," or might you attempt to console her with a, "You're right. They're wrong"?

Lastly, recognizing that Kylie belonged to a non-denominational Christian church and that it may not represent the norm within Christianity, what is your opinion of such religious instruction?

If I were a liberal Lutheran I would tell Kylie that her need for personal, sexual fulfillment is perfectly healthy and right, and that the straight and narrow path is not chastity but faith in God's promise that nothing will separate her from Him.

My opinion of the religious instruction is that it was not rational. By the way, non-denominational is usually another term for Baptist. That kind of congregation might feature a "pastor" whose way is the only way. Mainline churches, shunned by the fierce conservatives, are for the mature and rational and for children who will grow up to be mature and rational.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I would say that this is definitely not the norm and I grew up Anglican. Still very shameful on those other Churches though.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Thank you for posting this very interesting testimony that also proves how religion brainwashes people and deprives them of their free will. It deprives them of the capability of seeing things rationally and logically. And without reason, it is very hard to distinguish what is natural and good, from what is not.
The gravest thing is that even some psychologists, who were raised Christians, are strongly influenced by this twisted and perverted way of thinking. That just proves how harmful and destructive Christian morality is.
I felt like crying reading the story of this girl, whose life has been disrupted and devastated by this sense of guilt, inculcated in her by other people. A very bad form of psychological violence.
As a Christian I've always believed that sex is what defines us. So therefore, it is not only natural, but also essential to our spiritual growth as human beings. Unfortunately the Christian morality has been created by people who were not at peace with themselves, and consequently they had a unhealthy sexuality. That is, this inner conflict induced them to develop a distorted vision of sex, as if it dealt with something dirty or unnatural.

Bravo, Popeye.
 
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Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I recently came upon this disturbing account of growing up with the shame of sex, and the role Christianity plays in developing ones attitudes toward sexuality..

[Today’s guest post is written by Kylie, a friend and former evangelical who lives in the Pacific Northwest.]


We start getting messages about sex and the culturally approved ways of expressing our sexuality long before our bodies even hit puberty. From birth, we are surrounded by these messages and we absorb and internalize them in the same way we begin to identify and learn other cultural influences like language. Many of these messages come from the society around us, many come from our immediate home environment, but often the most vivid and impactful messages come from the personal experiences we have when we encounter and explore sexuality for ourselves.

Growing up in the church, I got a lot of messages about sex. Some were explicit and clear cut, like the laws about who could have sex (heterosexual, married couples only!). Some were not quite as clear (Is oral sex a sin?), and many of the messages were implied, existing as an unspoken understanding and general attitude towards sexuality among believers which they never state out loud.

Early Confrontations with Body Shame
When I was about 5 years old, there was a neighbor boy with whom I would often “play doctor.” This basically consisted of stripping down and looking at each other’s genitals. The exploration was fueled by curiosity, a mutual fascination with our bodies, and the fact that we didn’t have matching “parts.” Usually after 15 minutes or so, we got bored of inspecting each other and we would move on to other games (at five that’s about as far as it goes). On one occasion an adult in my family caught us and I was terrified by the harsh reaction we received for our activities. My friend was taken home to his house and I was not allowed to play with him ever again. Around the same time, I was caught masturbating (although at the time I had no idea what I was doing), and again the intensely negative reaction left a lasting impression in my mind. I remember standing at a sink, being told to wash my hands, because they were “dirty.” I don’t remember any explanation for the intensity of their reaction, but I received the message loud and clear that I had been doing something terribly wrong.

As I grew, the messages and experiences compiled to form a complete picture in my mind which informed me about the way to approach and think about sexuality. I began to think of sex in a strange and often paradoxical way: On one hand, when explicitly discussed, they said sex is a “gift from God.. It was described as a beautiful experience that connects you to your spouse physically, emotionally, and spiritually. They often referenced the Song of Solomon to illustrate how erotic sex can be, and how beautiful is intimacy when sanctified by God. On the other hand, I was taught that there is a “dark side” to sex. Anything outside of the biblically defined parameters of pure, marital, God condoned sex placed you somewhere on a very slippery slope that ultimately lead to destruction and depravity. These activities included: premarital sex, homosexuality, pornography, masturbation, immodesty, thinking about sex too much (lust), as well as a myriad of other deviant sexual practices (I guess barn animals are next).

Sexual sins were understood to be different from other sins. A sexual sin was committed against our own body, which was not our own, but a temple of the Holy Spirit (see 1 Corinthians 6:18-20). Sexual sin corrupted body, mind and soul, in a way that other sins did not. These sins defiled the heart and mind, and in extreme cases were described as the work of demons. They frightened us with cautionary tales about poor souls who indulged in seemingly innocent sins like masturbation or viewing pornography only to find themselves in an uncontrollable spiral of debauchery and sexual deviance that ultimately ruined their lives.

Around 10 years old, I discovered (again) the joys of masturbation. During a particularly vigorous session, I had an orgasm for the first time. As soon as the physical sensations subsided, I was mortified. I vaguely understood what an orgasm was, but had thought that it only could occur during intercourse. I assumed that this was why masturbation was a sin, because it could lead to orgasm, which should only occur within a marriage context. I dared not talk to anyone for clarification about what had happened, so I was left to draw my own conclusions about what I had done and what it meant.

I became convinced that I had ruined my future marriage and essentially lost my virginity (to myself?) and I was overwhelmed with a sense of panic. I begged God for forgiveness and vowed to never touch myself again. I prayed for his strength to help me be strong and resist the temptations of the enemy. My future happiness seemed to hang by a thread, and I was determined to resist my evil desires and restore my purity.

My resolve and commitment lasted a few weeks, but I soon gave in to temptation. Immediately after, I was flooded with intense guilt and an overwhelming fear that I had done irreparable damage to my future. Again, I pleaded with God for another chance to prove myself. Thus began a cycle that lasted well into my adulthood. I would resist my fleshly desires, sometimes for a period of weeks (usually days), but inevitably I would give in, and then immediately experience intense guilt, anxiety, and disgust at my weakness. I would often cry myself to sleep afterwards, desperate at my inability to control myself and terrified about the consequences it would ultimately have for me. As this cycle continued, I developed an underlying mistrust and hatred of my own body and the way it would respond, regardless of how much I prayed and repented and willed myself to ignore it.

Lies the Church Tells about Female Sexuality
Christianity is full of messages about sexuality and how that should be expressed for each gender. For example, we were told that women don’t really think about sex (I beg to differ) and that served to multiply my shame and it amplified the feeling that I was “not normal.” I had “too much of a sex drive.” We were told that boys were visually stimulated and thought about sex on a near constant basis. We were often told that “guys use love to get sex, while girls use sex to get love.” Married women would joke about how they tolerated sex because it was their “wifely duty,” and it helped them get their husband to take out the trash. There was no mention of women who engaged in sex enthusiastically, regularly, and for the pure enjoyment of the physical act itself. In the Bible, men were warned to stay away from women like this, because it would surely lead to ruin. Girls who were promiscuous were just “looking for love” or having “daddy issues.” Surely they couldn’t simply be interested in sex because they enjoyed it.

I learned to see my sex drive and overactive interest in sexual topics as further evidence that there was something very sick and corrupted inside me. I had no framework to analyze my sexual feelings/behavior other than the Christian mindset, and the isolation of guilt prevented me from talking to anyone about it. I believed that I had invited demonic influences into my life and given them a “foothold” by my continuous sexual sin. I lived with a deep and shameful part of myself that I hid from everyone. Even in my closest relationships, I believed that if this person really knew the truth about me, they would be as disgusted as I was with my activities, and they would reject me.

When I left Christianity a few years ago, I slowly began to realize exactly how much of an impact this guilt and secrecy had wrought in my life. The damage was not confined to how I felt about sexuality; it had ripple effects that spread into the rest of my life and had a huge effect on how I related to myself and others. My journey today is focused on rebuilding, getting to know/accept who I am, and learning how to be comfortable with myself and my sexuality.
source

___________

Putting yourself in her narrative as a good friend, at any point(s) would you step in and confirm the teachings of her religion and to "Stay on the straight and narrow with the Lord," or might you attempt to console her with a, "You're right. They're wrong"?

Lastly, recognizing that Kylie belonged to a non-denominational Christian church and that it may not represent the norm within Christianity, what is your opinion of such religious instruction?

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I really want to thank you for bringing up this subject. It remains taboo in many respects and it is refreshing to see sex discussed in the article in a way that states what it is without sensationalising or moralising it. That is very welcome.

It is true that it relates to body shaming such as viewing gluttony as one of the seven deadly sins and perhaps obesity as the fault of the individual. Many part of the dieting culture involve treat eating too much as "sinful" and encourage a form of dietary abstinance leading to the extremes of anorexia and bulimea through crash dieting. Views of thinness as some sign of moral virtue or being overweight as a sin probably owe some of their power to trained habits coming from christian and religious teaching. This makes accusations that something is "unhealthy" often carry a moral stigma that it doesnt deserve due to implicit blame for moral failings.

Coming out as bisexual, I found that many of the sexual shaming tactics if christianty did affect ne even though my relationship with that religion was only really in early childhood. It was surprising to realise that such early influences really do have life long effects, including feeling guilty about masturbating as an adolescent. Much of the pseudo-science around treating non-hetrosexuals as mental disorders involves importing moral judgements from religion into early science. Fortunately we have started to get past that, but the effects are still felt in sex education class rooms where sex refers to a "biology" lesson and less about the intimacy of relationships and emotional struggles that are involved.

It is ironic that we need more christian love to counter the effects of christian taboos in regards how we treat our own bodies. Greater acceptence of our own bodies as they are and recognition that morality plays a dangerous role in normalising what is essentially self-harm is a major step forward. Its very welcome to see it discussed on the forums. :)
 

Perditus

へびつかい座
Add me to the list of ex-RCs completely sexually destroyed by the influence of the Church.

Every one of my relationships was a sexual disaster. I should have just become a nun for all the good it did me.
 
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