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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste Kalidas,

I think one of the Upanishads would be GREAT!

In fact, one of my FAVORITES is the Mundaka Upanishad. The translation by Jayaram V is historical in value. However, He only has sort of a "mini" version of this (and it is not the same as the book inclusive) online. If others want to do the Mundaka Upanishad, we may need to find some other online version (though the printed version by Jayaram V is notable).

The Mundaka Upanishad is notable as the source of the phrase Satyameva jayate (3.1.6), the national motto of India, appearing in the national emblem having four lions. Meaning of this phrase is "Truth alone triumphs".

You might notice that I use this as my personal motto was well.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Namaste Kalidas,

I think one of the Upanishads would be GREAT!

In fact, one of my FAVORITES is the Mundaka Upanishad. The translation by Jayaram V is historical in value. However, He only has sort of a "mini" version of this (and it is not the same as the book inclusive) online. If others want to do the Mundaka Upanishad, we may need to find some other online version (though the printed version by Jayaram V is notable).

The Mundaka Upanishad is notable as the source of the phrase Satyameva jayate (3.1.6), the national motto of India, appearing in the national emblem having four lions. Meaning of this phrase is "Truth alone triumphs".

You might notice that I use this as my personal motto was well.

Om Namah Sivaya


Sounds great!
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
IT's ALIVE! And I am so happy!

Yes, I will have the first section of the Mundaka done by Sunday.

Thank you Philomath!

Om Namah Sivaya
 

punkdbass

I will be what I will be
I am getting a translation of the Upanishads in the mail hopefully soon. Ideally I would have went with Swami Sivananda's tranlation, his extensive commentary looks awesome but it would have ran me close to $20 (super tight for money right now) with shipping and so I went with Eknath Easwaran's translations which seems to be solid. I found a copy that was only $10 after shipping.

Anyhow, once I get my copy I'd love to participate in the discussion if possible!

Namaste
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
All come aboard! And no, there is no date and time.

I have finished the first section of the Mundaka Upanishad, but have not written down any notes or thoughts or review yet even though I was planning to do so on Sunday.

The reason is, I liked it so much I kept reading the next section and the next, etc...

So I won't be ready to share any "book review" until probaby this weekend.

What a marvelous Upanishad!

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Jaskaran Singh

Divosūnupriyaḥ
The Mundaka Upanishad is notable as the source of the phrase Satyameva jayate (3.1.6), the national motto of India, appearing in the national emblem having four lions. Meaning of this phrase is "Truth alone triumphs".
Actually, it could mean either "truth surely/indeed triumphs" or "truth alone triumphs," because in some cases eva means indeed. Also, iva, which comes from the same root as eva, usually means exactly (for example, "tathaiva" it means "exactly like this").
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi

Actually, it could mean either "truth surely/indeed triumphs" or "truth alone triumphs," because in some cases eva means indeed. Also, iva, which comes from the same root as eva, usually means exactly (for example, "tathaiva" it means "exactly like this").


jai jai , ....I will go for ''truth alone triumphs'' :namaste

allthough surely is equaly true . which translation are we following ?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Mundaka Upanishad, II Mundak, First Chapter, Verse 8:

"Tasmāchcha devā bahudha samprasūtah, sādhyā manushyāh pashava vayāmsi;
pranāpānou brīhiyavou tapascha, shraddhā satyam brahmacharyam vidhīscha."

From Him, are born the devas of various groups, as well as the sadhyas, men, beasts, birds, the prana and the apana, the paddy and barley, austerities, faith, truth, vow of contenency and injunctions.

No wheat yet!! :)

Mundaka Upanishad, II Mundak, Second Chapter, Verse 11:

".. Brahmavedam vishvamidam varishtham." (Know this universe here is Supreme Brahman) Jas may kindly correct if wrong.

"Brahmavedam Brahmaiva bhavati" (One who knows Brahman becomes Brahman)

"Namah paramarishibhyo namah parama rishibhyah."
Obeisance to great sages, obeisance to great sages.
Translation by Swami Sharvananda. Nice.
Iti.
 
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Kalidas

Well-Known Member
How's it going everyone? Sorry I went offline for a little while there (stupid internet issues). How is the discussion going?
 

punkdbass

I will be what I will be
Firstly, To Maya3 who said the Upanishads would blow my mind in a good way, you are wholly correct! I'm so glad I've finally started to read the Upanishads. I really loved the Mundaka Upanishad and it's hard for me to imagine the Upanishads getting any better than this one, I really enjoyed reading it. I'm not trying to compare the two, but just when I had thought I would never find a sacred text that I feel more drawn to than the Bhagavad Gita, I've found the Upanishads.. which is another gem of Hindu wisdom. I like it's philosophical sutras that are straight and to the point - impregnate with immense meaning and wisdom. Man I am so envious of Indian culture and how amazing it is! I wish more people were exposed to the wisdom of the Upanishads or the Gita.. It is easy for me to see how much of the wisdom in these sources may have heavily influenced various philosophical schools of thought, and religious schools of thought throughout history. I do not know enough about the history of world religions, but I do know the Upanishads are one of the oldest sacred texts that are still commonly studied today - and it's easy for me to see how they could have been a resource of inspiration for Pantheism, Panentheism, Monism, mysticism, Kabbalah, Science... any sort of philosophy that focuses on the oneness and connectedness of all things. But then again, I also believe many other philosophical/religious schools of thought, despite sharing commonalities with the Upanishads or Gita, were largely developed independent of them - for I believe there is a metaphysical truth/reality that pervades all things, hence why there are often core truths shared in what are largely independent cultures, but anyways, I digress.. this was an awesome read. I will now offer a few brief comments on what stuck out to me the most while reading this:

Verse 1.1.3 sort of starts the Upanishadic journey IMO, asking "What is that by knowing which all is known?" - By stilling ones being and plumbing the depths of one's consciousness, one can come face to face with the Truth that pervades all of existence... and infinite bank of knowledge and wisdom.

2.1.2 "...Unborn, without body and mind, from him [the Self] comes every body and mind." Every "thing" or "being" is rooted in the Unborn - Pure Being, Pure Is-ness.

2.2.5 "...Realize him as the One behind the many and stop all vain talk." - Stop over thinking things so much, realize there is a blatant truth right in front of your face that pervades and connects all Life and existence... Shut up and become still, and aware of this Transcendent Fullness to life.

2.2.8 "It is his power that moves body and mind." - Totally reminds me of Tao.. think of the force/power that automatically makes all of your organs function, that regulates your entire body and keeps it in homeostasis.

3.1.6 reminds me of speech from Ghandi that some metal band I used to listen to put in the middle of one of their "atmosphericy" sounding instrumental songs: "For I can see that in the midst of death life persists, in the midst of untruth, truth persists, in the midst of darkness light persists."

Great read. And as I duly noted in the introductory commentary of my translation: The Upanishads are not philosophy, they are darshana – ‘something seen,’ the student to whom they were taught are expected to realize these truths.... the reading of the Upanishads is not for mere intellectual amusement, but its teachings should be meditated upon and realized with the core of ones being.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
That is it, Pdb, Upanishads and BhagawadGita are life changing. Have as much of them as you can (this injunction is only the the older Upanishads, before the sects, sort of, polluted them).
 

punkdbass

I will be what I will be
So I read Mundaka again this morning. I used to think the idea that certain scriptures are "Divine" to be naive.. but if any writing ever is to be considered "Divine" - this Upanishad certainly would be. Maybe it's moreso that I'm drawn to how well the translation was done, but In reading it I constantly have a sense that what I am reading is metaphysical truth.. no cherypicking for whats "truth" and "not truth", or apologetics like you have to do with most sacred scriptures. Anyhow, I really like this passage:

"The flowing river is lost in the sea;
the illumined sage is lost in the Self.
The flowing river has become the sea;
the illumined sage has become the Self." 3.2.8

That is it, Pdb, Upanishads and BhagawadGita are life changing. Have as much of them as you can (this injunction is only the the older Upanishads, before the sects, sort of, polluted them).

They truly are. And I just want to clarify, you are not saying the "Principle Upanishads" are polluted, but rather later editions to the Upanishads (later minor Upanishads)?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The verse is excellent. You see, Pdb (wish you had some easier nick, or perhaps which could be shortened. Now, I would not like to call you as Punk), I have a habit to remember the core meaning and I forget all the rest.

Yes, the 'Principal Upanishads' are pristine :eek: because I have not read the others. I got my answers with them and never required to search more. :D
 
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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
So I read Mundaka again this morning. I used to think the idea that certain scriptures are "Divine" to be naive.. but if any writing ever is to be considered "Divine" - this Upanishad certainly would be. Maybe it's moreso that I'm drawn to how well the translation was done, but In reading it I constantly have a sense that what I am reading is metaphysical truth.. no cherypicking for whats "truth" and "not truth", or apologetics like you have to do with most sacred scriptures. Anyhow, I really like this passage:

"The flowing river is lost in the sea;
the illumined sage is lost in the Self.
The flowing river has become the sea;
the illumined sage has become the Self." 3.2.8

They truly are. And I just want to clarify, you are not saying the "Principle Upanishads" are polluted, but rather later editions to the Upanishads (later minor Upanishads)?

Very nice, punkd. Thanks for sharing. What does the "self" mean to you ? The Upanshads ?
 
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