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Bush redux

Scott1

Scott1

Well-Known Member
George W. Bush does not deserve a second term as president. His record of miscalculation, error, and deceit with regard to the invasion of Iraq alone should have been enough for voters to return him to Texas. For that to happen, however, Senator John Kerry had to convince the American electorate that he had a clear plan of action for dealing with the problems we face as a nation during a time of terrorism and economic uncertainty. Kerry failed to do that. In the end, Bush won the popular vote by 3.5 million, making a better showing in every region of the country than he did in 2000, including the so-called blue states. Bush may be inept or worse at governing at home and leading the community of nations abroad, but he remains an instinctively gifted salesman and politician.

Full article here.
 
Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
This whole administration makes my BLOOD BOIL!

That they campaigned in such a way that made people feel that a vote for Kerry was a vote against God. The man may not be the Father of lies, but he gives Satan a run for his money!
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'm calling vote tampering. Not enough to tip the scales (I hope), but I think it's still there.

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

Did you know....

1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.

14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad.

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
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Some of them are common sense (WOW, Jeb is Dubya's brother?!), but it does make a good point.
 
HelpMe

HelpMe

·´sociopathic meanderer`·
in all honesty, i found most(40/50) voting adults i spoke to were republicans, though there reasons were pointed out as lacking by me, they maintained.(i live in south florida)

the owners of diebold also contributed hugely(600k$?) to bush's campaign funds?

http://expage.com/notowar1
 
HelpMe

HelpMe

·´sociopathic meanderer`·
i believe their(diebold to bush) exact words were 'we'll deliver the election', or something to that effect.
 
Khale

Khale

Active Member
SOGFPP said:
George W. Bush does not deserve a second term as president. His record of miscalculation, error, and deceit with regard to the invasion of Iraq alone should have been enough for voters to return him to Texas. For that to happen, however, Senator John Kerry had to convince the American electorate that he had a clear plan of action for dealing with the problems we face as a nation during a time of terrorism and economic uncertainty. Kerry failed to do that. In the end, Bush won the popular vote by 3.5 million, making a better showing in every region of the country than he did in 2000, including the so-called blue states. Bush may be inept or worse at governing at home and leading the community of nations abroad, but he remains an instinctively gifted salesman and politician.
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I believe that Bush does deserve a second term as president. It is true that he made some rather large mistakes in the handling of the Iraq war, but despite those he does have a plan to finish what was started (Hopefully for the better). Kerry, as the article states, did not have a clear plan on how he would handle the war. If you also consider that it's not a good idea to change leaders in the middle of a war he probably woudn't have been the best choice for the presidency.
 
Ceridwen018

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Yes. If Kerry had been more than a simple figurehead for the Democratic party, they might have stood more of a chance. It's nice that people complain about Bush's campaign strategies after the fact, but that would be like me complaining about my opponent's legal playing strategies on the field. Instead of whining that Bush's strategy was more effective, perhaps the Democrats should have come up with a better one on their own.

I don't think that Bush is the best president we've ever had. I wouldn't even go as far as to say that he's close, but I can tell you one thing--he's the best we've got right now.
 
Jaymes

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
If Bush is the best this country can do, it's a sad state of affairs for the quickly becoming not-so good ol' US of A.
 
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