By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[2ndpillar]

It looks like they'll be indicting him in Arizona soon for election tampering. And he has been sued civilly multiple times stemming from J6

The House has now found out that the J6 committee withheld pertinent information, which is causing problems for the special prosecutor.

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe her, but I wouldn't mind if she were making it all up. Trump made her credible with his grab-them-by-the-***** comment.

It's just like with his claims that the election was stolen from him. I don't believe him, but I wouldn't mind if that were true. One just cannot be unfair to a person like him.

Unfortunately, the jurors of New York are just as prejudice as you. The upper courts will have to reverse any wrongly decided prejudicial verdicts of Georga and New York. Although the Georgia court Judge declared the special prosecutor had to go, for appearance of impropriety, and although the Prosecutor also had the smell of mendacity, which is to say, she is a liar, she could stay. The coming election might remove her from office. Or the Georgia Senate may impeach her. As for the justice to be applied to New York, well they get more crime, higher cost, because of the trucker boycott, and are losing foreign and domestic investment in the city and state. As for Arizona, the ballets were mis sized in Republican districts, and had to be recounted behind closed doors, by Democratic Attorney General running for Democratic Governor. Hey, that sounds perfectly fine. Georgia has similar problems now that the evidence is being opened up to prosecute Trump. It is not going to be good for the Marxist Progressives (Athiest/humanist), who think lying is fine, if you get the results you want, which is basically your stance, per your last sentence.

 

[2ndpillar]

You think so? Trump doesn't do better than 80% in the primaries even when running unopposed. And after his conviction in the porn star case, he'll be liked even less. He'll lose more of the swing voters. Centrists and right-centrists won't vote for him. Some will vote for Biden and some won't vote at all.

Rhode Island gave Trump around 84% with 5 decent opponents. Whereas Biden got around 81 % with his opponent having dropped out. The witness against Trump is a convicted felon, who lied to the court, and who was the porn stars boyfriend at one time. I think your faith and hope is based on false information.

MSN

Rhode Island: With 99 percent of polling places reporting, unofficial results showed 80.7 percent voted for Biden, while 14.5 percent voted “uncommitted,” and 2.5 percent voted for US Representative Dean Phillips, a Minnesota Democrat who has dropped out of the presidential race.

On the Republican side, unofficial results showed 83.7 percent voted for Trump, while 10.6 percent voted for former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, 2 percent were “uncommitted,” 1.4 percent voted for Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, 1.2 percent voted for former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, and 0.3 percent voted for tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy. All but Trump have dropped out of the GOP race.

 

[2ndpillar]

He's a rapist.

Why do you object to that being said? You'd still be carrying water for even if he had been criminally convicted of rape. Because Trump's criminality doesn't matter to MAGA.

Later, he'll be convicted for crimes arising from his failed self-coup and for stealing state secrets, and you'll still like him, right?

You seem to get triggered fairly easily. Do you have your heart medication nearby? Biden kept his "state secrets" which he took while Senator, and vice president, in his unprotected garage, near his corvette, and in his University office, established using Chinese money through the University, and with Chinese access, to just mention two of the locations he kept documents. Pence and Obama were no better, whereas Trump was president, who determines what is secret and what is not, and his documents were locked up, and not blurted out to Biden's ghost writer on record. If Trump is elected, what are you going to do, move to Mexico?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Later, he'll be convicted for crimes arising from his failed self-coup and for stealing state secrets, and you'll still like him, right?

In my opinion, you can't reason with MAGA Christians. Based on my interactions with them, I don't think they care about any verifiable evidence that places him in a negative light. It's as if he is their most cherished religious idol. If you read my linked prior posts, you'll understand why I feel this way about them.

First post:

President Joe Biden Declares Easter Sunday As Transgender Day Of Visibility

Yes. And very likely it has happened. "Man/woman" are social constructs. They are identities related to how we interact and relate to each other. They are malleable things. For now, people with biologically male body parts are unable to get pregnant regardless of whether they are women or...

www.religiousforums.com

Second post:

President Joe Biden Declares Easter Sunday As Transgender Day Of Visibility

Yes. And very likely it has happened. "Man/woman" are social constructs. They are identities related to how we interact and relate to each other. They are malleable things. For now, people with biologically male body parts are unable to get pregnant regardless of whether they are women or...

www.religiousforums.com

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

In my opinion, you can't reason with MAGA Christians. Based on my interactions with them, I don't think they care about any verifiable evidence that places him in a negative light. It's as if he is their most cherished religious idol.

I agree with you completely. Nevertheless, I enjoy responding to them, even if there is no hope of it being of any benefit to them. It's like tapping the aquarium glass. They still fascinate me.

 

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I don't know, I have been given warnings by the administrators around a dozen times whenever one of you guys get their feelings hurt and report they are melting.

This is because your main point is always disbelief and Satan.You always try to be the accuser.

And you have been proven various times in the most respectfull way to be wrong.
Especially in interpretating the Bible

I don't really think the administrators find my post out of line, but they have to do something every time a snowflake complains.

And you continue to demonstrate your ignorance with these kind of answers.
It seems that you have a problem of understanding the line between arogance and confidence.

I am content to listen to you guys, because every time you speak you expose yourselves.

I can reverse that to you as well , since it is very obvious what kind of tactic you are using , when religion is considered.

I can say no to government, media, and the pharmaceutical industry, whereas you will have a harder time.

I doubt that , don't forget that you can find yourself at any place and any time.And it can be the wrong place and the wrong time.And out of no where , you will need medical assistance.(this is just an example , that is why is better to be noted , because you may think that someone is trying to harm you)
However , you know what is best for you..

If the sky falls, I have timber in the country, which has food, water, energy, and security measures.

You used weird phrase , but however..
If the 'sky falls' , i doubt that anything will save you.
It did not save the dinousaurs however.

On the other hand, you apparently think Trudeau will save you, and keep you warm, as you keep voting him into office.

Which demonstrates that you don't know what democracy is.

Once Canada loses power, you have about 3 days before you are without food, water, transportation, and security.

Once Canada loses power , it will be given the basic help as every nation does when it is confronted with crisis.
That is why we have state solution and not anarchy.

As for you saying you are not going to answer my posts, well, that apparently is never going to happen.

Many here don't want to answer your posts since you think your arrogance is not arrogance but confidence.
You have demonstrated that with inconsistency

Metis stops and starts, and he is the only one that kind of follows through, but always breaks down and responds. It is like with the Sovereign Citizens, they say they will not speak, but in the end, they can't help themselves.The best you can do is throw stones at me and actual "scripture", which is the basis of this forum.

Some have tried without scripture , some with , but you refuse to reason in any way.

You use poor tactics as it has been demonstrated several times.

It seems that your sense of Morality requires us here to adopt to your set of beliefs.

I could imagine to do that , if at least you try to give good grounds for that Morality.

But how you interprete Scripture does not fit any Logic.

You have demonstrated that with misunderstanding the terms "petra" and "Petros".

 

[jimb]

This is because your main point is always disbelief and Satan.You always try to be the accuser.

And you have been proven various times in the most respectfull way to be wrong.
Especially in interpretating the Bible


And you continue to demonstrate your ignorance with these kind of answers.
It seems that you have a problem of understanding the line between arogance and confidence.


I can reverse that to you as well , since it is very obvious what kind of tactic you are using , when religion is considered.


I doubt that , don't forget that you can find yourself at any place and any time.And it can be the wrong place and the wrong time.And out of no where , you will need medical assistance.(this is just an example , that is why is better to be noted , because you may think that someone is trying to harm you)
However , you know what is best for you..


You used weird phrase , but however..
If the 'sky falls' , i doubt that anything will save you.
It did not save the dinousaurs however.


Which demonstrates that you don't know what democracy is.


Once Canada loses power , it will be given the basic help as every nation does when it is confronted with crisis.
That is why we have state solution and not anarchy.


Many here don't want to answer your posts since you think your arrogance is not arrogance but confidence.
You have demonstrated that with inconsistency


Some have tried without scripture , some with , but you refuse to reason in any way.

You use poor tactics as it has been demonstrated several times.

It seems that your sense of Morality requires us here to adopt to your set of beliefs.

I could imagine to do that , if at least you try to give good grounds for that Morality.

But how you interprete Scripture does not fit any Logic.

You have demonstrated that with misunderstanding the terms "petra" and "Petros".

I have had 2nd pillar on "ignore" for some time. He is a very troubled, vindictive person.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I have had 2nd pillar on "ignore" for some time. He is a very troubled, vindictive person.

That's a problem for him, but why should it be one for you? Does he offend you more than you can take? He's been trying to get under my skin, too, but I accept that as a welcome challenge. On another thread, he wants me to be afraid of living in Mexico and to fear losing my savings, and he includes plenty of personal insult. Of course, in a subsequent post in that same thread, he asks me if I will move to Mexico, where I've lived the last 15 years, if Trump is reelected.

I'm neither offended nor feel threatened. I'd link you to that discussion, but I think it would be an infraction of RF rules if I did so. If you care to see any of that, just search "Mexico" and his screen name. Hopefully, telling you that was not also an infraction. But I wouldn't dream of putting him on ignore. I look forward to his posts.

 

[2ndpillar]

This is because your main point is always disbelief and Satan.You always try to be the accuser.

And you have been proven various times in the most respectfull way to be wrong.
Especially in interpretating the Bible


And you continue to demonstrate your ignorance with these kind of answers.
It seems that you have a problem of understanding the line between arogance and confidence.


I can reverse that to you as well , since it is very obvious what kind of tactic you are using , when religion is considered.


I doubt that , don't forget that you can find yourself at any place and any time.And it can be the wrong place and the wrong time.And out of no where , you will need medical assistance.(this is just an example , that is why is better to be noted , because you may think that someone is trying to harm you)
However , you know what is best for you..


You used weird phrase , but however..
If the 'sky falls' , i doubt that anything will save you.
It did not save the dinousaurs however.


Which demonstrates that you don't know what democracy is.


Once Canada loses power , it will be given the basic help as every nation does when it is confronted with crisis.
That is why we have state solution and not anarchy.


Many here don't want to answer your posts since you think your arrogance is not arrogance but confidence.
You have demonstrated that with inconsistency


Some have tried without scripture , some with , but you refuse to reason in any way.

You use poor tactics as it has been demonstrated several times.

It seems that your sense of Morality requires us here to adopt to your set of beliefs.

I could imagine to do that , if at least you try to give good grounds for that Morality.

But how you interprete Scripture does not fit any Logic.

You have demonstrated that with misunderstanding the terms "petra" and "Petros".

Petros means "stone", whereas petra means large rock/bedrock.

Petra also refers to the religious center of the world trading Nabateans, who buried their dead in the tombs of Petra, as with the guy put in charge of the "royal household"/Church, Peter, was to endeavor to make his home the rock, but was later convicted of shaming the master's house, and tossed into a foreign country (Rome) (Isaiah 22:15-25), in which his heir, the pope, eventually being broke off, and anyone (Roman church) hanging onto him, would be "cut off".

Belittling me doesn't seem to keep you from replying to my posts. Those of the light will recognize the light, those of the darkness will not. Hey, you get it or you don't.

As for "Satan"/"devil", well, his "message", the message of lawlessness, was the alternate "message" in Yeshua's message of the kingdom as written in Matthew 13:37-42. The "many" of Mt 7:13, will follow the "false prophets" of Mt 7:15, and they will follow the wide path to "destruction", and wind up being thrown into the "furnace of fire", which would be the great tribulation. The "righteous" would be well put to enter into their rooms and shut the door per Isaiah 26:20. At least I have a room and a door to shut.


NASB 1977
Come, my people, enter into your rooms, And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while, Until indignation runs its course.

 

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Petros means "stone", whereas petra means large rock/bedrock.

False

'Пέτρα' means stone,rock
The name 'Πέτρος' is a masculine form of Greek πέτρα , the word for 'rock' or 'stone'

It does not go beyond that,simple as that.

You need to learn something in onomastics.It is the science that studies names in all their aspects.

 

[2ndpillar]

False

'Пέτρα' means stone,rock
The name 'Πέτρος' is a masculine form of Greek πέτρα , the word for 'rock' or 'stone'

It does not go beyond that,simple as that.

You need to learn something in onomastics.It is the science that studies names in all their aspects.

Well, Yeshua probably new the difference, as he knew that Peter was not the "rock" the church was to be built on, for that stone is based on justice and righteousness, not who Yeshua called "Satan" and a "stumbling block to me" (Mt 16:23). Yeshua noted that the "stumbling blocks" (Peter), and "those who commit lawlessness" (Paul), would remain in place until the "end of the age" per (Mt 13:40-41 & 7:23). Those in the Republic of the U.S. are free to go down their path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13). Those of other nations may not be free to do as they might choose. Where will judgment fall on in the greatest degree?

Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne;
love and faithfulness go before you.

New American Standard Bible Matthew 16:23
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s purposes, but men’s.”

 

[Димитар]

Well, Yeshua probably new the difference, as he knew that Peter was not the "rock" the church was to be built on, for that stone is based on justice and righteousness, not who Yeshua called "Satan" and a "stumbling block to me" (Mt 16:23).

No , you got it all wrong

Matthew 16:21-22
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 'Never, Lord!' he said. 'This shall never happen to you!'

And then your use of Matthew 16:23
You see how unreasonable are your claims?

In the same chapter , verse 18 it reads:
'And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.'

Simple future tense helps indicate that something will happen in the future. A future tense with will is used to state something with absolute certainty.

The structure for a future tense with will is: subject + will + base of a verb.

Yeshua noted that the "stumbling blocks" (Peter), and "those who commit lawlessness" (Paul), would remain in place until the "end of the age" per (Mt 13:40-41 & 7:23). Those in the Republic of the U.S. are free to go down their path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13).

Fascinating,you again being the accuser.
I told you once , you will reap what you sow.

Those of other nations may not be free to do as they might choose. Where will judgment fall on in the greatest degree?

The state is there to serve you , not the other way around.I mean technically you can choose to serve , but in the most fundemental sense the state represents the people.You vote , remember?

The problem is that you don't bother to learn the law.

Psalm 89:14 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne;
love and faithfulness go before you.

I am sorry , but you have failed to demonstrate that in your answers.

You point to the oposite direction.

New American Standard Bible Matthew 16:23
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s purposes, but men’s.”

And previously Peter disagreed in 21,22 that Jesus should suffer as any of us would if his teacher said i will go to suffer now and be killed.

You see now how we expose your tactics?

 

[2ndpillar]

No , you got it all wrong

Matthew 16:21-22
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 'Never, Lord!' he said. 'This shall never happen to you!'

And then your use of Matthew 16:23
You see how unreasonable are your claims?

In the same chapter , verse 18 it reads:
'And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.'

Simple future tense helps indicate that something will happen in the future. A future tense with will is used to state something with absolute certainty.

The structure for a future tense with will is: subject + will + base of a verb.

Someone has it wrong. Yeshua's story was that he would only perform the sign of Jonah, which is 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of he sea monster (earth)(Mt 12:40). Your "on the "3rd day" is a quote from Hosea 6:2, which comes after 2 days (2000 years), at which time Judah and Ephraim/Israel will be healed after they confess their transgressions (Hosea 5:15). Well, here we are, approximately 2000 years since "I will go away" (Hosea 5:15). The Gentile church has made a covenant with death, that "we shall not all sleep/die", "a refuge of lies", in leau of using the cornerstone, which is based on righteousness and justice (Isaiah 28:15-16). Peter is not a "tested stone" other than he denied Christ 3 times, and he surely isn't precious except to the daughter of Babylon, the Roman church.

A Cornerstone in Zion
Isaiah 28:…15For you said, “We have made a covenant with death; we have fashioned an agreement with Sheol. When the overwhelming scourge passes through it will not touch us, because we have made lies our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.” 16So this is what the Lord GOD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; the one who believes will never be shaken. 17I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the level. Hail will sweep away your refuge of lies, and water will flood your hiding place.…

 

[2ndpillar]

The state is there to serve you , not the other way around.I mean technically you can choose to serve , but in the most fundemental sense the state represents the people.You vote , remember?

The problem is that you don't bother to learn the law.

The Law, via the 1st and 2nd amendment, is freedom of speech, and right to bear arms, which the state, in the form of the present Progressive administration is increasingly trying to limit. The current "state" is worried that Trump will enforce the laws as written. There goes their dictatorship of a pen and a phone down the drain. I actually studied law while at my university. While not a lawyer, I am probably more aware of the basics of law than some language major, such as you seem to claim expertise in language, besides seemingly claiming an expertise in the religion of men. I live in a Republic, whereas I vote for a representative and a Senator. The winner may or may not represent my views. The left is trying to dilute my voting rights by importing millions of illegal immigrants, and trying to give them voting access, by allowing anyone to vote without a US ID. When the illegal immigrants have been interviewed at the border, they have been prepped to vote for Biden. Hey, I live in fly over country, and I have both legal and illegal immigrant friends, who I can count on, and the Sheriff, doesn't care who you are, if you break the law, you are toast.

 

[John53]

The Law, via the 1st and 2nd amendment, is freedom of speech, and right to bear arms, which the state, in the form of the present Progressive administration is increasingly trying to limit. The current "state" is worried that Trump will enforce the laws as written. There goes their dictatorship of a pen and a phone down the drain. I actually studied law while at my university. While not a lawyer, I am probably more aware of the basics of law than some language major, such as you seem to claim expertise in language, besides seemingly claiming an expertise in the religion of men. I live in a Republic, whereas I vote for a representative and a Senator. The winner may or may not represent my views. The left is trying to dilute my voting rights by importing millions of illegal immigrants, and trying to give them voting access, by allowing anyone to vote without a US ID. When the illegal immigrants have been interviewed at the border, they have been prepped to vote for Biden. Hey, I live in fly over country, and I have both legal and illegal immigrant friends, who I can count on, and the Sheriff, doesn't care who you are, if you break the law, you are toast.

Got any evidence of this supposed prepping to vote for Biden?

And I'm still waiting for evidence of your claim that "everybody" in SFO, LA and NYC is moving to conservative states.

 

[Димитар]

Someone has it wrong. Yeshua's story was that he would only perform the sign of Jonah, which is 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of he sea monster (earth)(Mt 12:40). Your "on the "3rd day" is a quote from Hosea 6:2, which comes after 2 days (2000 years)

You need to explain how you made those 2 days to be 2000 years.
Secondly , let's leave what i said and assume that is correct.What year is it now , 2024 - right? So we need to wait until 2033 , or am i wrong?

, at which time Judah and Ephraim/Israel will be healed after they confess their transgressions (Hosea 5:15).

Ok , but still even going with this analogy the year is 2033

Well, here we are, approximately 2000 years since "I will go away" (Hosea 5:15).

Well , technically not as i explained.

The Gentile church has made a covenant with death

This is straw man

There is no Gentile or Jew since we are all equal before God with the NT.
There is no Covenant with Death , there is Covenant with Life.

, that "we shall not all sleep/die", "a refuge of lies", in leau of using the cornerstone, which is based on righteousness and justice (Isaiah 28:15-16). Peter is not a "tested stone" other than he denied Christ 3 times, and he surely isn't precious except to the daughter of Babylon, the Roman church.

This analogy shows that you did not read Matthew 26:31-32

And again , you doing straw man on the covenant with death

You only show that you have not read 1 Corinthians 15
'Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?'

A Cornerstone in Zion
Isaiah 28:…15For you said, “We have made a covenant with death; we have fashioned an agreement with Sheol. When the overwhelming scourge passes through it will not touch us, because we have made lies our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.” 16So this is what the Lord GOD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; the one who believes will never be shaken. 17I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the level. Hail will sweep away your refuge of lies, and water will flood your hiding place.…

Isaiah 28:15 starts with : Because ye have said ..
Isaiah 28:16 starts with : Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD...

You fail to see the difference however..

Isaiah 28:21
'For the LORD will rise up as in mount Perazim, He will be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon; that He may do His work, strange is His work, and bring to pass His act, strange is His act.'

You should also read Isaiah 28:25-29
Maybe you will learn somethimg

 

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The Law, via the 1st and 2nd amendment, is freedom of speech, and right to bear arms, which the state, in the form of the present Progressive administration is increasingly trying to limit.

Ok , i was not speaking specifically for America , since i am from Europe and i don't have the knowledge or data to even answer what you stated.

The current "state" is worried that Trump will enforce the laws as written. There goes their dictatorship of a pen and a phone down the drain.

You are citizen of that country , feel free to vote against what you think is not helpfull for your country.

I actually studied law while at my university.While not a lawyer, I am probably more aware of the basics of law

Why do you think that?

than some language major, such as you seem to claim expertise in language, besides seemingly claiming an expertise in the religion of men.

I speak 8 languages , probably that is the consequence i have to bear.

Isaiah 28 does give titles to the word but it does not change the fundemental meaning.

Maybe you should read Psalm 118, it will be clearer

I live in a Republic, whereas I vote for a representative and a Senator. The winner may or may not represent my views.

So be active in politics to change that.
My friend wanted to study law , and she went to study law.
Now she has the chance to be MP in the next elections at only 27 years.

The left is trying to dilute my voting rights by importing millions of illegal immigrants, and trying to give them voting access, by allowing anyone to vote without a US ID.

I am not aware of any politics in America that is why i am not qualified to talk about it.

But i have seen this imigration procces in Europe to have certain consequences.
However Poland stands strong regarding imigration.
The common EU people had it enough with this brutal liberalism.It goes beyond values.

When the illegal immigrants have been interviewed at the border, they have been prepped to vote for Biden. Hey, I live in fly over country, and I have both legal and illegal immigrant friends, who I can count on, and the Sheriff, doesn't care who you are, if you break the law, you are toast.

Welcome to the World

The thing is that when you become loud and you know the law , you have the chance to stand against such pressure.

I certainly chosed another path since i don't think that the system needs change.Morality needs to be changed and you start that at the bottom - religion.

 

[2ndpillar]

Got any evidence of this supposed prepping to vote for Biden?

And I'm still waiting for evidence of your claim that "everybody" in SFO, LA and NYC is moving to conservative states.

You will have to take my word that I viewed interviews with illegal immigrants at the border saying that they would vote for Biden if that were possible. Otherwise you will have to believe Forbes about the left moving to red states.

America’s Mass Migration Intensifies As ‘Leftugees’ Flee Blue States And Counties For Red

A recent study by U-Haul reported that the top five states to see the greatest influx of new residents include the Republican-led states of Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Ohio and Arizona.

www.forbes.com

 

[John53]

You will have to take my word that I viewed interviews with illegal immigrants at the border saying that they would vote for Biden if that were possible. Otherwise you will have to believe Forbes about the left moving to red states.

America’s Mass Migration Intensifies As ‘Leftugees’ Flee Blue States And Counties For Red

A recent study by U-Haul reported that the top five states to see the greatest influx of new residents include the Republican-led states of Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Ohio and Arizona.

www.forbes.com

I don't take people's word for it unless they can provide the evidence of it.

Nowhere is that article does it say "everybody" is moving as you claimed.