By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[SkepticThinker]

I can't reconcile claims of devout Christianity with support of a man like Donald Trump whose life is the antithesis of Christianity. In my view, the two positions of Christianity and Trump support are radically inconsistent.

If I were to support such a person, it would seem to me as if I had made a deal with the Devil in order to get something I want that isn't even biblical in most cases. I find that last bit ironic given that these devout supporters often flaunt biblical literalism and inerrancy.

Me neither. It baffles me that religious people think this man is religious in any way, shape or form.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not only that, "looks" may have had something to do with it. When they were showing Trump a series of photos before the trial one was of Trump in a picture with Carroll. When asked if he knew who those people were in that picture he identified Carroll as "That's Marla. That's my wife". So he lied when he said that he was not attracted to her. He lied when he said that she was not beautiful. That recorded clip was presented as evidence and it may have been one of the prime factors in his loss. It is also the only time that I have heard Trump genuinely showing that he cared for someone. He sounded as if he regretted his divorce from Marla in the video.

I was just watching that again and that mistake slipped out when he had his lawyer, Ms. Habba with him. She is off camera but she is identified in the subtitles. This is why Trump almost never testifies in a trial. All he has are lies and it is too easy for an astute attorney to trip him up. After realizing his error he very quickly said about the photograph "It is very blurry".

From left to right, Trump, Carroll, her husband, and Trump's then wife. That picture does not look "very blurry" to me.

Looks crystal clear to me.

Thanks for posting this. This should be repeated over and over.

 

[2ndpillar]

Outdated arguments that are no longer valid.

Pfizer vaccine was eventually approved, whereas Moderna vaccine was banned from Europe. But then again, what was the data used for approval? Who owns the media and the government? It is Pharma. But feel free to get your yearly vaccine. Just don't assure me that it is safe and affective.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Me neither. It baffles me that religious people think this man is religious in any way, shape or form.

I don't know of anything in his adult history that would be a glimmer of hope that he held any sort of ethical values or constraints, let alone any Christian values.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I know that warmer weather is occurring in parts of Canada. And that Trudeau, the teacher, with a B.A. in literature, and a failed engineering student, is an image of his "woke" supporters. Hopefully he will not be reelected, and the "deplorables" in the provinces can get their country back together. I do know that many of their "elites" like to go to Florida or Mexico during their usual bitter winters. The normal provincial Canadian would be glad to be rid of their elites and of Trudeau. That may well happen in the future.

That's a caricature of Canada. LOL

Trump can't ever be our President, thankfully.

Teacher, actor, boxer, prime minister: A Justin Trudeau timeline | Globalnews.ca

As the son of one of Canada's most colourful and polarizing politicians, Justin Trudeau has spent much of his life in the public eye even before embarking on his own political career.

globalnews.ca

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Me neither. It baffles me that religious people think this man is religious in any way, shape or form.

It's all big conspiracies that are around but never found. Seem to go hand in hand with certain American Christian positions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Pfizer vaccine was eventually approved, whereas Moderna vaccine was banned from Europe. But then again, what was the data used for approval? Who owns the media and the government? It is Pharma. But feel free to get your yearly vaccine. Just don't assure me that it is safe and affective.

No. The Moderna vaccine was paused for young people way back in 2021 in Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland. Instead, they recommended the use of Pfizer's Comirnaty vaccine for those under the age of 30.


You've been reading misinformation.

"Social media users are falsely claiming that Europe has completely banned the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in young people."

... Other European countries still authorize Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for those over the age of 12, as seen here and here ."

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2RE22K/

Moderna Vaccine Paused for Young People in Two European Countries

Health authorities in both countries announced that people under certain age cutoffs are now ineligible for the Spikevax COVID-19 shot due to its association with heart inflammation.

www.the-scientist.com

 

[2ndpillar]

No, that is not "from far left MSN". Look at it again. MSN is not far left. In your news feed MSN looks for articles that appeal to you. The first is from some very very small publisher with the address of "stateofunion.org". With such a fail I did not even check the second.

Try to find a reliable source that supports you. Not some pap from your news stream that was selected for you based upon your past searches.

EDIT: Okay, I checked the second source. That is the same story. And this time it is a larger publisher that posted that story. It is not a reliable source. It is from a far right source and more important it is from a source of mixed credibility. You need something much better than that if you want to convince anyone. You need to remember that you can find almost any claim on the internet. If a claim can be found only at far left or at far right sources it is probably bogus.

Do you even know what sources are neither far left nor far right? I doubt if you do.

America Insider - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Thanks for relisting the link to MSN link.

MSN

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't know of anything in his adult history that would be a glimmer of hope that he held any sort of ethical values or constraints, let alone any Christian values.

Not one thing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Pfizer vaccine was eventually approved, whereas Moderna vaccine was banned from Europe. But then again, what was the data used for approval? Who owns the media and the government? It is Pharma. But feel free to get your yearly vaccine. Just don't assure me that it is safe and affective.

It is off to conspiracy land and a total distortion of the news. For a while some countries, not "Europe" banned the use of Moderna for younger people. It was never banned for older people. There was thought to be a small risk of heart inflammation in younger people. I have not checked yet to see if that was ever found out to be true or not.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2RE22K/

And vaccines are always being changed because viruses evolve. The original Moderna would not be very effective today. Last year's Moderna vaccine was approved:

COVID-19: Commission authorises second adapted vaccine for Member States' autumn vaccination campaigns

The Commission has authorised the Spikevax XBB.1.5-adapted COVID-19 vaccine, developed by Moderna.

ec.europa.eu

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for relisting the link to MSN link.

MSN

Read the link. It is not from MSN. You do not seem to know how they work. That story is straight from StaeofUnion.org.

 

[2ndpillar]

No. The Moderna vaccine was paused for young people way back in 2021 in Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland. Instead, they recommended the use of Pfizer's Comirnaty vaccine for those under the age of 30.


You've been reading misinformation.

"Social media users are falsely claiming that Europe has completely banned the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in young people."

... Other European countries still authorize Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for those over the age of 12, as seen here and here ."

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2RE22K/

Moderna Vaccine Paused for Young People in Two European Countries

Health authorities in both countries announced that people under certain age cutoffs are now ineligible for the Spikevax COVID-19 shot due to its association with heart inflammation.

www.the-scientist.com

No, they said people under 30 were ineligible to receive the vaccine, because of heart related issues. Read your own link.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, they said people under 30 were ineligible to receive the vaccine, because of heart related issues. Read your own link.

And you said that it was "banned". It was not. To be on the safe side only young people in some European countries could not take the vaccine.

So was it "banned in Europe"? No. It was only "Banned in some of Europe". Oh wait, in the countries where it was banned was everyone banned from getting it? Again, no, only young people. who are at very low risk when it comes to the current version of the corona virus , were banned from getting it. Older people no problem.

Do you understood why they did this? They were being overly cautious. There were some reports, and not confirmed reports that the vaccine may have caused a negative reaction in a few young people. To be safe they thought it better to not allow them to use Moderna even though cause and effect was not established. They were very unlikely to die of the disease so it was thought that the danger of heart inflation was more significant than the danger of the disease for them. Meanwhile for anyone over thirty it was thought that the virus was the bigger risk.

 

[2ndpillar]

It is off to conspiracy land and a total distortion of the news. For a while some countries, not "Europe" banned the use of Moderna for younger people. It was never banned for older people. There was thought to be a small risk of heart inflammation in younger people. I have not checked yet to see if that was ever found out to be true or not.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2RE22K/

And vaccines are always being changed because viruses evolve. The original Moderna would not be very effective today. Last year's Moderna vaccine was approved:

COVID-19: Commission authorises second adapted vaccine for Member States' autumn vaccination campaigns

The Commission has authorised the Spikevax XBB.1.5-adapted COVID-19 vaccine, developed by Moderna.

ec.europa.eu

If you are 5 years or old, then go ahead and get the vaccine according to the new expedited testing report. I wouldn't get it myself, but I live in a free country, except when riding a motorcycle without a helmet in most states, and refusing to take a shot if you were in the military, but you are free to do as you want. I mean, what is the theory of the survival of the fittest good for, if you don't stretch the limits.

 

[Tomef]

I do it for others who may be reading the thread.

Fair enough. I wonder though, when someone that desperate for attention churns out nothing but vicious misogyny and basic dumbness, if it’s not better to leave them without an audience. Seems like responding only produces more of the same.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, they said people under 30 were ineligible to receive the vaccine, because of heart related issues. Read your own link.

It's exactly as I said. What you said was inaccurate.

 

[2ndpillar]

And you said that it was "banned". It was not. To be on the safe side only young people in some European countries could not take the vaccine.

So was it "banned in Europe"? No. It was only "Banned in some of Europe". Oh wait, in the countries where it was banned was everyone banned from getting it? Again, no, only young people. who are at very low risk when it comes to the current version of the corona virus , were banned from getting it. Older people no problem.

Do you understood why they did this? They were being overly cautious. There were some reports, and not confirmed reports that the vaccine may have caused a negative reaction in a few young people. To be safe they thought it better to not allow them to use Moderna even though cause and effect was not established. They were very unlikely to die of the disease so it was thought that the danger of heart inflation was more significant than the danger of the disease for them. Meanwhile for anyone over thirty it was thought that the virus was the bigger risk.

It was banned in Europe. Finland is in Europe, as well as Sweden is in Europe as well. And it was not provided to those under 30 is because of heart inflammation problems. Read your link.

Moderna Vaccine Paused for Young People in Two European Countries

Health authorities in both countries announced that people under certain age cutoffs are now ineligible for the Spikevax COVID-19 shot due to its association with heart inflammation.

www.the-scientist.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was banned in Europe. Finland is in Europe, as well as Sweden is in Europe as well. And it not provided to those under 30 is because of heart inflammation problems. Read your link.
www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2RE22K/

No, my link does not say that it was banned. You do not seem to understand what the word means. That is like saying alcohol is banned in the US because people under 21 cannot legally drink.

 

[2ndpillar]

No, my link does not say that it was banned. You do not seem to understand what the word means. That is like saying alcohol is banned in the US because people under 21 cannot legally drink.

Okay, they were not "banned", they were considered "ineligible" to receive the vaccine. 6 of one a half a dozen for the other.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you are 5 years or old, then go ahead and get the vaccine according to the new expedited testing report. I wouldn't get it myself, but I live in a free country, except when riding a motorcycle without a helmet in most states, and refusing to take a shot if you were in the military, but you are free to do as you want. I mean, what is the theory of the survival of the fittest good for, if you don't stretch the limits.

Once again, there can be different reactions based on age. If you are over 60 you should definitely get the vaccine. Just as you cannot run the same way that you could when you were twenty your immune system is not quite up to the same levels as it was then. This virus targets the old. Corona viruses are a broad range of viruses. The time that there was a corona virus epidemic in the US you probably did not even realize that such an epidemic was going on. That version was far worse. It attacked the young and was fatal far more often.