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Trailblazer

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I thought Baha was discredited by his fellow Muslims and was locked up.
Yes, Baha'u'llah was rejected by the Muslims clerics because they did not want a new religion with new teachings that would replace Islam.
The same thing happened in the days of Jesus. When He appeared Jesus was rejected by the Jewish clerics.

In the day of Christ, Annas and Caiaphas inflamed the Jewish people against Him and the learned doctors of Israel joined together to resist His Power. All sorts of calumnies were circulated against Him. The Scribes and Pharisees conspired to make the people believe Him to be a liar, an apostate, and a blasphemer. They spread these slanders throughout the whole Eastern world against Christ, and caused Him to be condemned to a shameful death! ....​
In spite of all their efforts the Sun of Truth shone forth from the horizon. In every case the army of light vanquished the powers of darkness on the battlefield of the world, and the radiance of the Divine Teaching illumined the earth. Those who accepted the Teaching and worked for the Cause of God became luminous stars in the sky of humanity.....​
When the Pharisees said of Christ that He had broken the Sabbath Day, that He had defied the Law of Moses, that He had threatened to destroy the Temple and the Holy City of Jerusalem, and that He deserved to be crucified—We know that all these slanderous attacks had no result in hindering the spread of the Gospel!​
The Sun of Christ shone brilliantly in the sky, and the breath of the Holy Spirit wafted over the whole earth!​
As I don't know much more than that, I will have to ask you to tell me who this ruler of the world is, and hopefully in 30 words or less. And what section of the world does he rule? Your Baha quotes seem to be without any meaning.
Baha'u'llah is not a ruler in a secular sense. He is not like a king who sits upon a throne.
He is considered a ruler of the world because He revealed the Most Great Law of God, which is the Revelation from God for this age.

“THE Most Great Law is come, and the Ancient Beauty ruleth upon the throne of David. Thus hath My Pen spoken that which the histories of bygone ages have related. At this time, however, David crieth aloud and saith: ‘O my loving Lord! Do Thou number me with such as have stood steadfast in Thy Cause, O Thou through Whom the faces have been illumined, and the footsteps have slipped!’”​
“The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation.”​
 
The Law, as in the Commandments, the 10 Commandments, are for every person (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Now, Israel, as a holy people, are held to greater standards. You apparently don't subscribe to the basic 10 Commandments, which pertain to "every person". How is that working? According to the "Word of God", per Zechariah 14:16, the nations that survives God's judgment will keep laws given by Moses, because they will all keep the feast of Booths, every year, or get no rain. How say you? Is your rain barrel full?
So in your view all a person has to do is live by the 10 Commandments and do the best they can and that will get them Eternal Life?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Yes, Baha'u'llah was rejected by the Muslims clerics because they did not want a new religion with new teachings that would replace Islam.
The same thing happened in the days of Jesus. When He appeared Jesus was rejected by the Jewish clerics.

In the day of Christ, Annas and Caiaphas inflamed the Jewish people against Him and the learned doctors of Israel joined together to resist His Power. All sorts of calumnies were circulated against Him. The Scribes and Pharisees conspired to make the people believe Him to be a liar, an apostate, and a blasphemer. They spread these slanders throughout the whole Eastern world against Christ, and caused Him to be condemned to a shameful death! ....​
In spite of all their efforts the Sun of Truth shone forth from the horizon. In every case the army of light vanquished the powers of darkness on the battlefield of the world, and the radiance of the Divine Teaching illumined the earth. Those who accepted the Teaching and worked for the Cause of God became luminous stars in the sky of humanity.....​
When the Pharisees said of Christ that He had broken the Sabbath Day, that He had defied the Law of Moses, that He had threatened to destroy the Temple and the Holy City of Jerusalem, and that He deserved to be crucified—We know that all these slanderous attacks had no result in hindering the spread of the Gospel!​
The Sun of Christ shone brilliantly in the sky, and the breath of the Holy Spirit wafted over the whole earth!​

Baha'u'llah is not a ruler in a secular sense. He is not like a king who sits upon a throne.
He is considered a ruler of the world because He revealed the Most Great Law of God, which is the Revelation from God for this age.

“THE Most Great Law is come, and the Ancient Beauty ruleth upon the throne of David. Thus hath My Pen spoken that which the histories of bygone ages have related. At this time, however, David crieth aloud and saith: ‘O my loving Lord! Do Thou number me with such as have stood steadfast in Thy Cause, O Thou through Whom the faces have been illumined, and the footsteps have slipped!’”​
“The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation.”​
I am still in the dark concerning what Baha taught. As for the prophecies of God being fulfilled, well, that is not the impression I get. Judah and Ephraim remain apart, they do not live on the land given to Jacob, and they don't live under a covenant of peace (Ezekiel 37). The "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31 - 3:2) and the judgment of the nations remain in abeyance, and the destruction of Judah's (Jews) neighbors, which would supposedly include the Baha's living in Iran and Iraq. (Zechariah 14). I had to look up Baha in Wikipedia to get a glimmer. They seem to like the idea of a world order, and like Islam, wants there to be unification of a single religion, with unity as their goal. But they do limit Trans marriage to those who have fully transitioned. They also want their members to send 19% of their above survival money to their central judicial council. Baháʼí Faith - Wikipedia From their statistics, it appears that the only countries which have Bahas are poor countries where survival money is all they have. Their dogmas seem to reflect the dogmas of Islam, rather than "Christian". Maybe because they claim to be the source of the Mahdi, much like the Shia.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
So in your view all a person has to do is live by the 10 Commandments and do the best they can and that will get them Eternal Life?
No. If one turns from righteousness (keeping the Commandments) to wickedness, then they will die (Ezekiel) Yeshua said if you want to enter into life, you must keep the Commandments (Mt 19). If you don't endure to the end, well, during the tribulation, you will not be saved/escape death (Matthew 24:13). According to the devil/serpent, if you believe him/serpent/Paul, you can refuse to keep God's commandments, and live (Genesis 3:4). How did that work for Adam and Eve?
 
No. If one turns from righteousness (keeping the Commandments) to wickedness, then they will die (Ezekiel) Yeshua said if you want to enter into life, you must keep the Commandments (Mt 19). If you don't endure to the end, well, during the tribulation, you will not be saved/escape death (Matthew 24:13). According to the devil/serpent, if you believe him/serpent/Paul, you can refuse to keep God's commandments, and live (Genesis 3:4). How did that work for Adam and Eve?
Paul isn’t the serpent, you make up stuff that isn’t even scriptural. Anyone can try to live by the 10 Commandments, by your view you only have to try, no consequences or atonement needed for failure. In your view God is an unjust Judge who doesn’t punish sin, just say sorry. It’s a false teaching not even taught in the Bible.
The Bible teaches that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I am still in the dark concerning what Baha taught. As for the prophecies of God being fulfilled, well, that is not the impression I get. Judah and Ephraim remain apart, they do not live on the land given to Jacob, and they don't live under a covenant of peace (Ezekiel 37). The "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31 - 3:2) and the judgment of the nations remain in abeyance, and the destruction of Judah's (Jews) neighbors, which would supposedly include the Baha's living in Iran and Iraq. (Zechariah 14).
Apparently, you believe that certain prophecies will be fulfilled according to your expectations. Everyone has different expectations according to how they interpret the scriptures. It is more useful to look at the various prophecies and how they were actually fulfilled by Baha'u'llah. You can read about them in the following books. Thief in the Night is online free to read and it covers prophecies in the Bible that refer to the return of Christ.

Thief in the Night by William Sears

1844: Convergence in Prophecy for Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Baha'i Faith

The Coming of the Glory: How the Hebrew Scriptures Reveal the Plan of God

Please bear in mind that the prophecies for the return of Christ and the coming of the messiah foretold in of the Old Testament have been fulfilled. However, many prophecies refer to what will happen after He comes. Those prophecies are about what will happen during in the messianic age and those prophecies have not all been fulfilled yet, because we are only at the beginning of that age. The messianic age will last no less than 1000 years starting from the year that Baha'u'llah received His revelation in 1852 AD.
I had to look up Baha in Wikipedia to get a glimmer. They seem to like the idea of a world order, and like Islam, wants there to be unification of a single religion, with unity as their goal. But they do limit Trans marriage to those who have fully transitioned. They also want their members to send 19% of their above survival money to their central judicial council. Baháʼí Faith - Wikipedia From their statistics, it appears that the only countries which have Bahas are poor countries where survival money is all they have. Their dogmas seem to reflect the dogmas of Islam, rather than "Christian". Maybe because they claim to be the source of the Mahdi, much like the Shia.
Baha'is are not required to participate in the Ḥuqúqu'lláh (Arabic: ﺣﻘﻮﻕ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ, "Right of God").

Purpose

The Ḥuquq'ullah is not meant to be a donation, but is rather meant to be a claim by God for support of the interests of all people. It is partly used to equalize wealth across different parts of the world. The payment of the Ḥuquq'ullah is also meant to increase the spiritual link between the religion's central institutions and the individual. This offering is to be considered separate from giving to the various Baháʼí funds and takes precedence over them.[5] Furthermore, the Ḥuquq'ullah should not be solicited by anyone, and no payments of it can be accepted unless the individual was doing so "with the utmost joy".[8]

The Baha’i Faith has spread to over 250 countries and territories and is almost as widespread as Christianity.

The Baha'i Faith dogmas do not reflect Islam or Christianity; they are new. However, the spiritual teachings are very similar to what Jesus taught.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Apparently, you believe that certain prophecies will be fulfilled according to your expectations. Everyone has different expectations according to how they interpret the scriptures. It is more useful to look at the various prophecies and how they were actually fulfilled by Baha'u'llah. You can read about them in the following books. Thief in the Night is online free to read and it covers prophecies in the Bible that refer to the return of Christ.

Thief in the Night by William Sears

1844: Convergence in Prophecy for Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Baha'i Faith

The Coming of the Glory: How the Hebrew Scriptures Reveal the Plan of God

Please bear in mind that the prophecies for the return of Christ and the coming of the messiah foretold in of the Old Testament have been fulfilled. However, many prophecies refer to what will happen after He comes. Those prophecies are about what will happen during in the messianic age and those prophecies have not all been fulfilled yet, because we are only at the beginning of that age. The messianic age will last no less than 1000 years starting from the year that Baha'u'llah received His revelation in 1852 AD.

Baha'is are not required to participate in the Ḥuqúqu'lláh (Arabic: ﺣﻘﻮﻕ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ, "Right of God").

Purpose

The Ḥuquq'ullah is not meant to be a donation, but is rather meant to be a claim by God for support of the interests of all people. It is partly used to equalize wealth across different parts of the world. The payment of the Ḥuquq'ullah is also meant to increase the spiritual link between the religion's central institutions and the individual. This offering is to be considered separate from giving to the various Baháʼí funds and takes precedence over them.[5] Furthermore, the Ḥuquq'ullah should not be solicited by anyone, and no payments of it can be accepted unless the individual was doing so "with the utmost joy".[8]

The Baha’i Faith has spread to over 250 countries and territories and is almost as widespread as Christianity.

The Baha'i Faith dogmas do not reflect Islam or Christianity; they are new. However, the spiritual teachings are very similar to what Jesus taught.
I don't know. With a period of fasting, and everyday prayer, they seem a lot like Islam, except that Islam countries don't seem to be overly happy with them being in the country. You might find some Baha in Iran, their birth state, but they probably don't go out at night. Notwithstanding their Progressive ideology, and their trans acceptance, whereas they seem to parallel your everyday Progressive socialist. The population of Baha in the world, seems about the same as population of a single East Coast city. I think they are now trying for quality versus quantity, and apparently, they are achieving neither. I would think that maybe 1% of the world's population are even aware of the Baha faith and its tenants. Not a good total for the "ruler of the world". As for the world being in the "messianic age", I kind of think not.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Paul isn’t the serpant, you make up stuff that isn’t even scriptural. Anyone can try to live by the 10 Commandments, by your view you only have to try, no consequences or atonement needed for failure. In your view God is an unjust Judge who doesn’t punish sin, just say sorry. It’s a false teaching not even taught in the Bible.
The Bible teaches that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Paul is the messenger of the "devil"/"serpent"/"dragon", and his message is the same as found in Genesis 3:4. Yeshua said you have to be more righteous than the Pharisees, not less righteous. (Matthew 5:20) Paul, the "false prophet", stands next to the "devil" and the "beast" (Rev 16:13) with respect to their demon spirits. It is the "false prophets" who lead the "many" to "destruction" (Matthew 7:12-15), and by their "fruits" you shall know them. And in Matthew 7:22-23 you will find a definite description of Paul. And apparently, your sins have not been forgiven, and therefore you carry the plagues of Babylon (Rev 18:4). You seem to read what you want to read irrespective of what is written.
 
Paul is the messenger of the "devil"/"serpent"/"dragon", and his message is the same as found in Genesis 3:4. Yeshua said you have to be more righteous than the Pharisees, not less righteous. (Matthew 5:20) Paul, the "false prophet", stands next to the "devil" and the "beast" (Rev 16:13) with respect to their demon spirits. It is the "false prophets" who lead the "many" to "destruction" (Matthew 7:12-15), and by their "fruits" you shall know them. And in Matthew 7:22-23 you will find a definite description of Paul. And apparently, your sins have not been forgiven, and therefore you carry the plagues of Babylon (Rev 18:4). You seem to read what you want to read irrespective of what is written.
My sins are forgiven because Jesus Christ gave
His life, was buried and rose from the dead. It is finished - debt is paid, Veil of the temple torn in two top to bottom, fulfilled Isaiah 52-53,Psalm 22. No more sacrifices needed year after year because they were satisfied once and for all for those coming to God through Jesus Christ.
Otherwise where is your atonement, your blood sacrifice for sin? There is no temple because the old covenant is obsolete. If you fail just one time to keep the commandments you’re guilty of all, the soul that sins will die, no one can keep the law perfectly except Jesus Christ and He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.
I’m under the New Covenant Jesus Christ established at the last Passover before He died.
Being born again and living a Holy life, a royal priesthood, chosen generation, presenting our bodies as living sacrifices why? Because of the love He showed us at the Cross, giving his life for us, we do the same because we love God.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My sins are forgiven because Jesus Christ gave
His life, was buried and rose from the dead. It is finished - debt is paid, Veil of the temple torn in two top to bottom, fulfilled Isaiah 52-53,Psalm 22. No more sacrifices needed year after year because they were satisfied once and for all for those coming to God through Jesus Christ.
Otherwise where is your atonement, your blood sacrifice for sin? There is no temple because the old covenant is obsolete. If you fail just one time to keep the commandments you’re guilty of all, the soul that sins will die, no one can keep the law perfectly except Jesus Christ and He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.
I’m under the New Covenant Jesus Christ established at the last Passover before He died.
Except that is just your belief. And it is a rather prideful one. The Bible says that not everyone that believes that he is a Christian will be saved:

"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ "
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The population of Baha in the world, seems about the same as population of a single East Coast city. I think they are now trying for quality versus quantity, and apparently, they are achieving neither.
How do you know that they haven't achieved quality?
What do think was the quantity of Christians in the first centuries?

“Most scholars of Christian origins tend to exaggerate the size and importance of the early Christian church. This is understandable in the light of the discipline’s intense concentration on the New Testament texts. By confining ourselves in particular to the letters of Paul, the Gospels and Acts, it is all too easy to create a limited and false impression of the ancient world and the place of the Christians within it. Yet the reality is that for all of the first century the Christians were a tiny and insignificant socio-religious movement within the Graeco-Roman world (Hopkins 1998:195-196). Christianity did of course grow considerably in later centuries and it eventually became the religion of the Roman empire, but we should take care not to retroject its later size and importance into the initial decades of its existence.

“Just how small was the Christian movement in the first century is clear from the calculations of the sociologist R Stark (1996:5-7; so too Hopkins 1998:192-193).Stark begins his analysis with a rough estimation of six million Christians in the Roman Empire (or about ten percent of the total population) at the start of the fourth century... There were 1,000 Christians in the year 40, 1,400 Christians in 50, 1,960 Christians in 60, 2,744 Christians in 70, 3,842 Christians in 80, 5,378 Christians in 90 and 7,530 Christians at the end of the first century.

These figures are very suggestive, and reinforce the point that in its initial decades the Christian movement represented a tiny fraction of the ancient world.”

How many Jews became Christians in the first century?
I would think that maybe 1% of the world's population are even aware of the Baha faith and its tenants. Not a good total for the "ruler of the world".
That is true, but this will change over time. The Baha'i Faith will grow over time just as Christianity grew over time.

Because this is an interconnected, instant communication world, the message of Baha’u’llah has spread 664 times as fast as Christianity during the first century. At the end of the first century there were only 7,530 Christians whereas at the end of the first century there were five million Baha’is.

In the heroic age of the Baha’i Faith before we had mass communications or the internet the Baha’i Faith grew a lot faster than it is growing now, and that can be explained by the human element, the willingness of the Baha’is to make the necessary sacrifices to see the Faith grow.

Statistics show that from 1910-2010, the Baha’i Faith grew at a rate of 3.54%, whereas during that time Islam grew at a rate of 1.97% and Christianity grew at a rate of 1.32%.

From 2000-2010 Islam became the fastest growing religion (1.86 %) and the Baha’i Faith was the second fastest growing religion (1.72%).

Statistics from: Growth of religion

The growth rates of the Baha’i Faith were higher than Islam from 1910 to 2010 because it includes the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944) FOURTH PERIOD: THE INCEPTION OF THE FORMATIVE AGE OF THE BAHÁ’Í FAITH 1921–1944

The goal of the Baha’i Faith administration has not always been to increase numbers of adherents but rather to expand to as many locations as possible around the world. These goals have been met. The Baha’i Faith has spread to over 250 countries and territories and is almost as widespread as Christianity. Most of this happened during the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944).

Growth of the Baha’i Faith has slowed down since 2000 because the new goal is consolidation and community building, so the emphasis is not spreading the Faith all over the world as it was before in the 20th century.
As for the world being in the "messianic age", I kind of think not.
We are only at the very beginning of the "messianic age."
Some of the prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled, and if you want to throw out a few of those prophecies I can explain how they are being fulfilled.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You did, but didn't understand how you did that.

That would be an error on your part. You make the boat unneeded. It would only kill a fraction of humanity. You would only kill local animals. Even for Noah and family to survive they would only need a fishing pole.


Yes, creationist rarely understand the consequences of what they say.

Ummmm . . . no. That is not how most floods work. And you wanted a local flood. One can go up.
I believe a local food would still require a boat. I am talking about Mesopotamia which is lowland and the whole of it being flooded.

I believe a flood that immense would have no trouble killing all the people of Mesopotamia who weren't in a boat. The idea of all humanity is an incorrect assumption.

I believe there would be enough animals in the region that needed saving but no giraffes or elephants.

I believe they brought enough food to survive.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
And religious beliefs can be deceptive. I doubt that you believe that other people's non-Christian beliefs are correct. In fact, I doubt you believe that other Christians with differing doctrines and scriptural interpretations are correct in their beliefs. I can say this because I've read your prior posts on these topics.
I believe that is true which is why I always seek the truth and speak it. God does not practice deception but He can use it to bring judgment on the wicked.
 
I believe a local food would still require a boat. I am talking about Mesopotamia which is lowland and the whole of it being flooded.

I believe a flood that immense would have no trouble killing all the people of Mesopotamia who weren't in a boat. The idea of all humanity is an incorrect assumption.

I believe there would be enough animals in the region that needed saving but no giraffes or elephants.

I believe they brought enough food to survive.D
There was a world wide flood and here is how naysayers deny and explain away the evidence,
Lol
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
How do you know that they haven't achieved quality?
What do think was the quantity of Christians in the first centuries?

“Most scholars of Christian origins tend to exaggerate the size and importance of the early Christian church. This is understandable in the light of the discipline’s intense concentration on the New Testament texts. By confining ourselves in particular to the letters of Paul, the Gospels and Acts, it is all too easy to create a limited and false impression of the ancient world and the place of the Christians within it. Yet the reality is that for all of the first century the Christians were a tiny and insignificant socio-religious movement within the Graeco-Roman world (Hopkins 1998:195-196). Christianity did of course grow considerably in later centuries and it eventually became the religion of the Roman empire, but we should take care not to retroject its later size and importance into the initial decades of its existence.

“Just how small was the Christian movement in the first century is clear from the calculations of the sociologist R Stark (1996:5-7; so too Hopkins 1998:192-193).Stark begins his analysis with a rough estimation of six million Christians in the Roman Empire (or about ten percent of the total population) at the start of the fourth century... There were 1,000 Christians in the year 40, 1,400 Christians in 50, 1,960 Christians in 60, 2,744 Christians in 70, 3,842 Christians in 80, 5,378 Christians in 90 and 7,530 Christians at the end of the first century.

These figures are very suggestive, and reinforce the point that in its initial decades the Christian movement represented a tiny fraction of the ancient world.”

How many Jews became Christians in the first century?

That is true, but this will change over time. The Baha'i Faith will grow over time just as Christianity grew over time.

Because this is an interconnected, instant communication world, the message of Baha’u’llah has spread 664 times as fast as Christianity during the first century. At the end of the first century there were only 7,530 Christians whereas at the end of the first century there were five million Baha’is.

In the heroic age of the Baha’i Faith before we had mass communications or the internet the Baha’i Faith grew a lot faster than it is growing now, and that can be explained by the human element, the willingness of the Baha’is to make the necessary sacrifices to see the Faith grow.

Statistics show that from 1910-2010, the Baha’i Faith grew at a rate of 3.54%, whereas during that time Islam grew at a rate of 1.97% and Christianity grew at a rate of 1.32%.

From 2000-2010 Islam became the fastest growing religion (1.86 %) and the Baha’i Faith was the second fastest growing religion (1.72%).

Statistics from: Growth of religion

The growth rates of the Baha’i Faith were higher than Islam from 1910 to 2010 because it includes the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944) FOURTH PERIOD: THE INCEPTION OF THE FORMATIVE AGE OF THE BAHÁ’Í FAITH 1921–1944

The goal of the Baha’i Faith administration has not always been to increase numbers of adherents but rather to expand to as many locations as possible around the world. These goals have been met. The Baha’i Faith has spread to over 250 countries and territories and is almost as widespread as Christianity. Most of this happened during the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944).

Growth of the Baha’i Faith has slowed down since 2000 because the new goal is consolidation and community building, so the emphasis is not spreading the Faith all over the world as it was before in the 20th century.

We are only at the very beginning of the "messianic age."
Some of the prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled, and if you want to throw out a few of those prophecies I can explain how they are being fulfilled.
Try explaining the prophecy of Obadiah and how that has been completed, whereas Israel envelopes all of Edom (now southwest Jordan, the home of the Palestinians and Hamas plus more including Petra, the birthplace of the Islamic narrative), the true heritage of your imaginary Muhammad, falsely portrayed as the son of Ishmael, and his imaginary trading center of Mecca of the 6th century? Try explaining why the increase of Islam, the faith of intifada, grew faster than Baha, in which the Islamist, would like to cut off the heads of the Baha for their supposed blasphemy. Not that they haven't done that in the past. I think your spirit of socialism, and of slimmed Islamic traditions, is increasing in popularity, but then again, the time of the end will be like the time of Noah, and where Sodom would be more righteous than the era of the "end times". According to the Revelation of Yeshua (Rev 20:4), the millennium will consist of the righteous, who have risen from the dead, ruling with "Christ"/messiah, from Jerusalem, and all the nations/Gentiles, keeping the feast of Booths every year (Zechariah 14).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
My sins are forgiven because Jesus Christ gave
His life, was buried and rose from the dead. It is finished - debt is paid, Veil of the temple torn in two top to bottom, fulfilled Isaiah 52-53,Psalm 22. No more sacrifices needed year after year because they were satisfied once and for all for those coming to God through Jesus Christ.
Otherwise where is your atonement, your blood sacrifice for sin? There is no temple because the old covenant is obsolete. If you fail just one time to keep the commandments you’re guilty of all, the soul that sins will die, no one can keep the law perfectly except Jesus Christ and He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World.
I’m under the New Covenant Jesus Christ established at the last Passover before He died.
Being born again and living a Holy life, a royal priesthood, chosen generation, presenting our bodies as living sacrifices why? Because of the love He showed us at the Cross, giving his life for us, we do the same because we love God.
I don't know. You apparently did not repent, for you believe that sin is your nature, and that apparently have not been born of God, but born of the devil, according to 1 John 3:8-9. As for the last supper, the unleavened bread is with respect to the "bread of life", the "Word of God", which was made flesh, and the "blood", would refer to the Spirit of God, in which the blood is the abode of the Spirit, and both the "blood" (Spirit) and the flesh (Word made flesh) are required be consumed with regards to the last supper. Your sacrificing of humans, as with the Canaanites and Bel, their sun god, is not supported by the God of Isaac, Jacob, and Abraham. As for the "atonement" Sabbath, the blood sacrifice is with respect to the blood of a bull, and a scapegoat sent into the desert, which would be imagery of the "devil" being cast out into the "abyss" for 1000 years (Rev 20:1-2). None of that has happened.
 
As for the "atonement" Sabbath, the blood sacrifice is with respect to the blood of a bull, and a scapegoat sent into the desert, which would be imagery of the "devil" being cast out into the "abyss" for 1000 years (Rev 20:1-2). None of that has happened.
I’ve seen that some have said that but why would the devil be able to take the sins away and be a sacrifice? Don’t agree with that interpretation. Jesus Christ did that and was sacrificed outside the city. Satan in prison for a 1000 years, the scriptures don’t mention any such thing about sin.

”“And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.“
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭16‬:‭20‬-‭22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Also, repentance is a turning away from sin and living for God. If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold all things have become new. Believers live Holy lives set apart and consecrated to God now. That’s my life now.
 

Subduction Zone

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I believe a local food would still require a boat. I am talking about Mesopotamia which is lowland and the whole of it being flooded.

I believe a flood that immense would have no trouble killing all the people of Mesopotamia who weren't in a boat. The idea of all humanity is an incorrect assumption.

I believe there would be enough animals in the region that needed saving but no giraffes or elephants.

I believe they brought enough food to survive.
Then what was the purpose of the flood? Why did the Bible get it so wrong?
 
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