By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[2ndpillar]

You missed the part about Revelations friend - das ist verboten

What, you are now a reincarnated Martin Luther? Do you also denigrate James?

 

[metis]

According to Yeshua, per Matthew 11:25, your "intelligent" scholars don't know what they are talking about.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I praise Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou didst hide these things from the wise and intelligent and didst reveal them to babes.

Obviously, intelligence doesn't matter to you-- and it shows.

 

[metis]

BTW, I'm much more impressed with those who actually act with love and compassion as Jesus taught versus those who are so arrogant they think they know-it-all. Maybe reread Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats, and just a reminder that the "Goats" believed about Jesus but not in him.

That’s nice but doesn’t really mean anything on these forums.

I guess that's true with you at least, which is of no surprise.

 

[metis]

. Your George Bush type of compassion was accompanied by several wars. Maybe God wants "righteousness" and "Justice" versus your woke self

What??? I never voted for the guy!

Why do you continue such nonsense, and indeed it again seems that Jesus' words really don't mean that much to you as you just keep fabricating accusations and refuse to even try to answer rather simple questions. So pathetic.

 

[2ndpillar]

This is a strange strange post ... first you fail to grasp that we are talking about the religious beliefs people living in and around Canaan in 1800 BC if we are talking Abe .. ~1000 BC if we are talking the Israelites at the height of empire.

This is not about the religious beliefs of someone in the 3rd century BC .. The information for those beliefs comes to us from various sources both Biblical and Extra Biblical .. none of which can be found in the New Testiment .. which tells us nothing about the beliefs of these "Moabites" 900BC who you write off as dead and buried.. when these are the people we are talking about ??

Obviously Enoch mentioned in Genesis is useful information .... the mention of Enoch in Hebrews is not .. as it does not tell us that this is what the Moabites in 900BC believed - it is what some early Christian living 1000 years after the fact believed about the Enoch mentioned in Genesis.

What this has to do with my wife -or Marx, socialism or humanism ? This is loopy doopy deflection on your part .. some kind of desperate Ad Hom fallacy.

The sources I use are dated all over the map .. just because something was dug up 10 years ago does not make it a 21st century source ? We can date sources friend .. some of the sources I use come from1800 BC and earlier. The Ugarit library .. only 10% of which has been translated .. is from 1400-1250 BC .. huge amounts of information on the beliefs of the peoples in the region at the time .. Biblical material such as Psalms - many of which purport to be written by David .. and others around the time of David. ~900-1000 BC. These were the hymns sung in Church .. At one of YHWH's numerous Temples throughout the land of Israel.

What do you know about the religious beliefs of the Moabites in 900 BC from a mention of Enoch in Hebrews ? Almost nothing if not Nothing. I will tell you what we do know from Hebrews that may shed some light on religious beliefs of the past .. as that is what the text is addressing directly when it refers to Jesus as a Priest Forever in the Order of Melchi-Zedek.

This Order is mentioned numerous times throught the Bible .. an order that existed at the time of Abraham -- for 800 years in Jerusalem until David .. then for centuries more after David who was himself a priest in this Order.

This priestly order presumably existed until the end of Israel in the 8th century BC when Assyria showed up but no further mention in the OT

Now .. Hebrews does not tell us much about the religious beliefs of the Israelites in 900 BC other than to quazi confirm that there was such an order .. and that in the grey period from 700 BC to 100 AD - this order may well have still continued as a going concern .. or at least the idea of this order.

Part of the problem of using Revelations --- aside from the aforementioned - that it tells us nothing about the Religious beliefs of the Israelites in 900 BC -- is that it paints a different picture of Ha Satan than what is depicted - believed in 900BC. These are not the same individuals being discussed.... and this is a huge problem for our Quest .. not jiving with the rest of the story .. begging the question that the analogies have been misinterpreted in that part which we do take this apocalyptic dream seriously

Which God do you worship ? If you do not know the name .. perhaps the God you are worshiping is Lord Satan .. or the demiurge named Jealous. Who is the God of Jesus "The Father" -- "Hallowed be thy name"

If you don't know that name .. then you don't know which God you pray to .. might as well be Baalezebub for all you know.

I must have misheard you say you were eastern orthodox. Are you Nestorian or Russian Orthodox, or what? The eastern orthodoxy's original dogma is supposedly based on the Nicene Creed, based on the 325 A.D. Council, which is supposedly based on the NT message, which is post 60 A.D. The message of Yeshua was based on the Law and the prophets, for which all early copies were burned/destroyed, except for the writings on stone in the ark of the covenant. The Nicene creed of the Orthodox church was taken from the Nicene Council, which was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, the "beast with two horns like a lamb", who was to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth", and whose authority came from the "dragon" (Revelation 13 & Daniel 7:25), and whose empire/church would survive until "judgment" (Daniel 7:26). I don't see the connection between your 900 B.C. narrative and the Orthodox church. The only connection with the Moabites and "Christianity", is that their god "Ashtar", is worshipped on her pagan festival every year on what is called Easter/Ashtar. That date was determined at your Nicene Council. Personally, I think you have gone done the wrong rabbit hole. Your narrative is interesting but has no punch line.

 

[2ndpillar]

What??? I never voted for the guy!

Why do you continue such nonsense, and indeed it again seems that Jesus' words really don't mean that much to you as you just keep fabricating accusations and refuse to even try to answer rather simple questions. So pathetic.

No one said you voted for the guy. Your wife would have probably put you in the dog house for doing so. My point is that your "woke" compassion did not work for Bush, and it won't work for you. Your subjective humanism, as with Marxism, aways leads to destruction.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I guess that's true with you at least, which is of no surprise.

You can’t verify anyone’s life on here and I already agree and have posted that if you are born again that will result in loving god and people, helping the poor and especially widows and orphans. Yet you continue to post the same parable. It’s like you don’t read or comprehend.

 

[2ndpillar]

Obviously, intelligence doesn't matter to you-- and it shows.

Obviously, the "intelligent", such as the "elites", are bringing destruction upon themselves and everyone else. Maybe you can set up a coffee session with Mr. Science (Fauci) and work out how to correct the consequences of the Progressive/Marxist policies of the elites (intelligentsia). While you are at it, try and keep men out of the girls' bathrooms and girls' sports.

 

[metis]

No one said you voted for the guy. Your wife would have probably put you in the dog house for doing so. My point is that your "woke" compassion did not work for Bush, and it won't work for you. Your subjective humanism, as with Marxism, aways leads to destruction.

Wow, blatant dishonesty in the name of "Jesus"! Just how sick is that!

"Woke"? Oh, so now you just want to avoid answering a simple question and now play a game of politics.

As far as "humanism" is concerned, I'd much rather be a humanist than anti humanist, because Christ taught we are to have compassion for all humans, but then maybe you didn't get his message. In Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats, the "Goats" pretty much take your position on this, as they talk-the-talk but don't walk-the-walk, which is a non-humanist position.

So, why don't you try and answer my very simple question that I have asked multiple times: why no eggs in the Cambrian Explosion if eggs are supposedly necessary for life?

On second thought, I've seen enough of your dishonest nonsense.

 

[2ndpillar]

You can’t verify anyone’s life on here and I already agree and have posted that if you are born again that will result in loving god and people, helping the poor and especially widows and orphans. Yet you continue to post the same parable. It’s like you don’t read or comprehend.

You love God and your neighbor, by keeping the Commandments (1John 5:3). James said if you want to be religious then help widows and orphans. If one is "born again", then the children of God will see the love of God in you, and you won't have to boist of giving to widows.

 

[metis]

You can’t verify anyone’s life on here...

"Verify"?

BTW, if you don't like me posting one of Jesus' parables, well...

 

[2ndpillar]

Wow, blatant dishonesty in the name of "Jesus"! Just how sick is that!

"Woke"? Oh, so now you just want to avoid answering a simple question and now play a game of politics.

As far as "humanism" is concerned, I'd much rather be a humanist than anti humanist, because Christ taught we are to have compassion for all humans, but then maybe you didn't get his message. In Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats, the "Goats" pretty much take your position on this, as they talk-the-talk but don't walk-the-walk, which is a non-humanist position.

So, why don't you try and answer my very simple question that I have asked multiple times: why no eggs in the Cambrian Explosion if eggs are supposedly necessary for life?

On second thought, I've seen enough of your dishonest nonsense.

There was no one called "Jesus" is the first century. The humanist, compassionate Marxism is the humanist solution to the problems of the world. The problems of the world started with not keeping God's commandment and will continue to persist until the "nations"/Gentiles who survive the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32) are put under a "rod of iron" (Revelation 19:15) and actually keep the feast of Booths (Zechariah 14:16). Following the message of the "serpent" (Genesis 3:4) and following your own version of good versus evil, will lead only to destruction, and the illusions that men are women and women are men.

 

[2ndpillar]

"Verify"?

BTW, if you don't like me posting one of Jesus' parables, well...

Yeshua gave parables (Mt 13:13) so that the "lawless"/"wicked" could not understand his message of the kingdom of heaven (Daniel 12:10 & Isaiah 6:9). This was to keep the intelligentsia confused.

 

[wellwisher]

Well, Revelations shows that the 7 angels are the "7 eyes (watchers), which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out to all the earth" (Revelation 5:6). Revelation 1:20 reveals that the 7 angels are the angels of the 7 churches, which apparently, they (churches) are all in bad shape, except for one, who is hanging on by a thread (Rev 2 & 3). As for the Moabites of 900 B.C., they are all dead and buried. As for the Moabite who was Mose's wife, and an angel was able to communicate with her, and she became a child of Israel, by an action of faith, and saved her husband for not performing an action of faith. As for Enoch, he walked with God (Genesis 5:24). According to your false prophet Paul, Enoch did not die (Heb 11:5) which according to Jeremiah 31:30, meant he didn't sin. Being righteous, as with Moses, and Elijah, Enoch could therefore communicate with God directly, or as noted by James, have his prayers heard and answered. Something sinners cannot do, for God does not hear the prayer of sinners. The oldest surviving original written scripture comes from Qumran and was only discovered in the mid 20th century. Where did you get your information, and when was it dated? I kind of think you are being double minded. Surprise, Surprise. And which god are you to say what "written material" I can be allowed to use. Maybe you can get your wife to bow down to you, which I doubt, but that doesn't go over well in an open society. I hear humanist/Marxist socialism in your comments, but since I have no real contact with the eastern church, I don't really know where it is coming from. I have to assume your viewpoints have been created by academia, with a hint of clergy inoculation.

Revelations may quite well be the only original book of the New Testament, presented as was originally written. Its symbolism is unlike the rest of the New Testament. The rest of the New Testament, written in the 2nd century, was more about the positive messaging of Jesus from the POV of different apostles. It was also a type of history narrative of life events.

Revelations had a totally different content and tone. It was connected to the stressful time, after Jesus had been was killed and left, and all but one Apostle had been killed, except John of Revelations. Christianity was considered ripe for Genocide. Early Christianity was called the religion of the slaves. This label and messaging put Rome at risk; fear of a slave rebellion. All the work of the slaves made Rome possible. Revelation was like a nightmare, due John in decades of isolation in very stressful times.

In the last supper Jesus said "there are those standing here who will not taste death until their see him coming with his kingdom". John was the one who Jesus loved the most; he leans on Jesus. John, also called Mark, would see Jesus in his glory, within his visions, as was prophesied. John Mark may have bene the son of Mary (Magdalene)? His mother was called Mary. Speculation is that Mary Magdalene was a temple Priestess with a son. She was accused by the wife of a rich patron, who had seduced her. But since this male practice was common, nobody dare cast a stone, less they be accused.

John/Mark, of all the apostles, had been the only one spared execution. He was placed in exile on an island, to die of old age; 80's. My guess this unique protection of his life also extended to his writing; Revelations. It may have been given to the seven churches and then preserved in the underground. By the 2nd century, the tide was turning and it was time to come out of hiding; Compile the New Testament. The connection of John to his mother, Mary, and her a beloved temple priestess, gave her many powerful temple friends and benefactors, who would arrange to spare her son, from the Pharisees; exile instead of death was the political compromise.

The original Christian Church, after Jesus departed, was not one Church but seven churches; seven eyes of the Spirit. Those early times were so stressful, that their faith was tested to the limits, and only Philadelphia, was able to do as the spirit dictated. All the rest of the Churches had some work to do, but none were abandoned. It is interesting that another Philadelphia, would become the place where the US Constitution was signed; Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

 

[metis]

There was no one called "Jesus" is the first century.

Of course not, so what's your point?

The humanist, compassionate Marxism

I'm not a Marxist, so what's your point?

Following the message of the "serpent" (Genesis 3:4) and following your own version of good versus evil, will lead only to destruction, and the illusions that men are women and women are men.

My version comes mainly from Jesus, but I'm far from certain where yours comes from, especially when you make up stuff and assume the worst in anyone who dares to disagree with you.

I had you on ignore for a long time, and I'm realizing more and more why I did with your repeated dishonesty, deflections, and accusations. Have you no shame?

 

[metis]

Yeshua gave parables (Mt 13:13) so that the "lawless"/"wicked" could not understand his message of the kingdom of heaven (Daniel 12:10 & Isaiah 6:9). This was to keep the intelligentsia confused.

R-i-g-h-t.

BTW, Jesus' name definitely was not spelled "Yeshua" in the first century. It's a slang version of "Joshua", but that also was not spelled as such back then. It you studied Torah you'd know why.

 

[ElishaElijah]

"Verify"?

BTW, if you don't like me posting one of Jesus' parables, well...

Post away, post all the Scriptures! Maybe mix it up a little. Again you miss the point by miles

 

[ElishaElijah]

You love God and your neighbor, by keeping the Commandments (1John 5:3). James said if you want to be religious then help widows and orphans. If one is "born again", then the children of God will see the love of God in you, and you won't have to boist of giving to widows.

Are you boasting? I am boasting in this:
”This is what the Lord says: “Let not the wise boast of their wisdom or the strong boast of their strength or the rich boast of their riches, but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,” declares the Lord.“
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭9‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ ‭NIV‬‬
”God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”“
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭28‬-‭31‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Sargonski]

I must have misheard you say you were eastern orthodox. Are you Nestorian or Russian Orthodox, or what? The eastern orthodoxy's original dogma is supposedly based on the Nicene Creed, based on the 325 A.D. Council, which is supposedly based on the NT message, which is post 60 A.D. The message of Yeshua was based on the Law and the prophets, for which all early copies were burned/destroyed, except for the writings on stone in the ark of the covenant. The Nicene creed of the Orthodox church was taken from the Nicene Council, which was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine, the "beast with two horns like a lamb", who was to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth", and whose authority came from the "dragon" (Revelation 13 & Daniel 7:25), and whose empire/church would survive until "judgment" (Daniel 7:26). I don't see the connection between your 900 B.C. narrative and the Orthodox church. The only connection with the Moabites and "Christianity", is that their god "Ashtar", is worshipped on her pagan festival every year on what is called Easter/Ashtar. That date was determined at your Nicene Council. Personally, I think you have gone done the wrong rabbit hole. Your narrative is interesting but has no punch line.

You heard wrong - and why you are talking about a connection between the Orthodox church and 900 BC religious beliefs as I said nothing about Orthodox beliefs relating to 900 BC , despite your rabbit hole efforts to pretend that I did.

The punch line is that you have no idea what the name this God you keep referring to is- and that Revelations has nothing to do with religious beliefs about Ha Satan in 900 BC and does not help in your quest to learn the name of God.

 

[2ndpillar]

Of course not, so what's your point?

You said I blasphemed "Jesus". There was no "Jesus" to blaspheme.

I'm not a Marxist, so what's your point?

My point is that Marxist was a humanist, and so are you. Do you see the connection?

My version comes mainly from Jesus, but I'm far from certain where yours comes from, especially when you make up stuff and assume the worst in anyone who dares to disagree with you.

I had you on ignore for a long time, and I'm realizing more and more why I did with your repeated dishonesty, deflections, and accusations. Have you no shame?

Your version comes from the traditions of men and the false prophet Paul, as well as from his Roman church, for which his false gospel of grace is the foundation.