By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[walt]

Yes ... It involves things of a true nature.

What I mean is, God's Holy Spirit Helps me to remember something I have already read in the Bible. And God's Holy Spirit always guides me to the Bible. Say I pray to God for strength to endure something, with that prayer I also look in God's word the Bible, for a scripture about strength and endurance and what is God's will.

In this way my prayer is in harmony with the Bible, everything is in harmony with the scriptures.

Is your way similar to mine? I am not really that good at comments please bear with me. Thank You.

 

[F1fan]

Couldn't people claim that of anyone.

Anyone can claim anything they want. The beauty of evidence and reasoning is the skill to discern truth from fiction. Science follows evidence and applies a method. Religion doesn't follow any evidence to truthful conclusions. And look at you avoiding the issue yet again, as if you know you don't have the truth.

Why has the species before humans stopped evolving? and the others before that stopped involving?

Speices never stop evolving. That is 7th grade science class. Your questions are part of basic science that any kid in and the others before that stopped involving?ublic school should have learned. It's odd that you missed this education. And it's odd that you didn't do a simple internet search to avoid looking like you slept through science class.

Homo erectus evolved in Africa and were an isolated species. The same with the lineage of species before them, and then as homo sapiens. As these species migrated into Europe there was a split in the evolving pools, and Neanderthals evolved there as homo sapiens evolved in Africa. Neanderthals and humans interbred, and anyone with European ancestory will have about 2% Neanderthal DNA while those from Africa are 100% homo sapiens. Neanderthals died off about 25,000 years ago.

Of course our ancestors and many monkeys and apes have a common lineage with some separating into independent pools.

It looks like I'm surely not winning any prizes today. Thanks for the conversation Sorry to waste your time.

You have time to learn. And one lesson is how you can't trust the religious ideas you've been told are true.

 

[Balthazzar]

What I mean is, God's Holy Spirit Helps me to remember something I have already read in the Bible. And God's Holy Spirit always guides me to the Bible. Say I pray to God for strength to endure something, with that prayer I also look in God's word the Bible, for a scripture about strength and endurance and what is God's will.

In this way my prayer is in harmony with the Bible, everything is in harmony with the scriptures.

Is your way similar to mine? I am not really that good at comments please bear with me. Thank You.

I do the same. Yes.

 

[John53]

OK, I misunderstood your remark. Language is interesting, isn't it?

My fault that I didn't specify goals I guess.

I enjoyed learning about the brains of fruitflies that scientists are discovering. Fabulous. From the article, worth a read imo. Article in Largest brain map ever reveals fruit fly’s neurons in exquisite detail

Wiring diagram lays out connections between nearly 140,000 neurons and reveals new types of nerve cell. ​

Nature is wondrous but I don't get the relevance.

 

[walt]

Anyone can claim anything they want. The beauty of evidence and reasoning is the skill to discern truth from fiction. Science follows evidence and applies a method. Religion doesn't follow any evidence to truthful conclusions. And look at you avoiding the issue yet again, as if you know you don't have the truth.


Speices never stop evolving. That is 7th grade science class. Your questions are part of basic science that any kid in and the others before that stopped involving?ublic school should have learned. It's odd that you missed this education. And it's odd that you didn't do a simple internet search to avoid looking like you slept through science class.

Homo erectus evolved in Africa and were an isolated species. The same with the lineage of species before them, and then as homo sapiens. As these species migrated into Europe there was a split in the evolving pools, and Neanderthals evolved there as homo sapiens evolved in Africa. Neanderthals and humans interbred, and anyone with European ancestory will have about 2% Neanderthal DNA while those from Africa are 100% homo sapiens. Neanderthals died off about 25,000 years ago.

Of course our ancestors and many monkeys and apes have a common lineage with some separating into independent pools.

You have time to learn. And one lesson is how you can't trust the religious ideas you've been told are true.

I think the root of the problem is much more basic, every time I provide what I feel is really good evidence, I am told my evidence is silly! And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. We both feel each other's evidence is silly! And I know God has the Expert Advise!

 

[YoursTrue]

My fault that I didn't specify goals I guess.



Nature is wondrous but I don't get the relevance.

Relevance to what?

 

[John53]

Relevance to what?

The discussion.

 

[YoursTrue]

My fault that I didn't specify goals I guess.

Not necessarily but you say you want a discussion and you have no goals, is that right?

 

[YoursTrue]

The discussion.

What discussion? The topic of the thread is somewhat if you claim to be a christian. Do you claim to be a Christian?

 

[John53]

What discussion? The topic of the thread is somewhat if you claim to be a christian. Do you claim to be a Christian?

OMG!. We're in a debate thread on a discussion forum. Is fruit fly brains the title?

 

[John53]

Not necessarily but you say you want a discussion and you have no goals, is that right?

That's what I said.

 

[F1fan]

I think the root of the problem is much more basic, every time I provide what I feel is really good evidence, I am told my evidence is silly!

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant. There are well established standards for what evidence is, and the standard in logic and reasoning tat uses evidence to form valid conclusions. Believers who try to debate their religious beliefs tend to have low skill levels in what evidence is, and how to reason. No one comes to a valid conclusion that a God exists via evidence and reasoning.

And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. We both feel each other's evidence is silly!

No we don't. Critical thinkers have learned the ruls of logic and how to follow evidence. That is how science works. If you want to dismiss the results in science you aren't doing it rationally. And that is something you need to ponder. At some point someone told you your religious beliefs are true, and you believed them. But now you reject what experts report. How does that make sense? This illustrates the negative affect that evangelical Christianty imposes on many citizens, and they are oblivious. You aren't a skilled thinker, and that is aliability.

And I know God has the Expert Advise!

No you don't. No one can say thay know any God exists. This is what believers have to tell themselves in order to justify irrational beliefs. The 9-11 hijackers were certain God told them to kill themselves and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. This is how religion works when it has no test in reality. You may not kill yourself and others, but you believe God talks to you, and that is something you should be wary of.

 

[YoursTrue]

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant. There are well established standards for what evidence is, and the standard in logic and reasoning tat uses evidence to form valid conclusions. Believers who try to debate their religious beliefs tend to have low skill levels in what evidence is, and how to reason. No one comes to a valid conclusion that a God exists via evidence and reasoning.

No we don't. Critical thinkers have learned the ruls of logic and how to follow evidence. That is how science works. If you want to dismiss the results in science you aren't doing it rationally. And that is something you need to ponder. At some point someone told you your religious beliefs are true, and you believed them. But now you reject what experts report. How does that make sense? This illustrates the negative affect that evangelical Christianty imposes on many citizens, and they are oblivious. You aren't a skilled thinker, and that is aliability.

No you don't. No one can say thay know any God exists. This is what believers have to tell themselves in order to justify irrational beliefs. The 9-11 hijackers were certain God told them to kill themselves and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. This is how religion works when it has no test in reality. You may not kill yourself and others, but you believe God talks to you, and that is something you should be wary of.

Your reality test is not everyone else's. If it were I'd certainly love real answers from you as to what you think. No matter how you look at it, people are leaning towards major differences in their "reality" perception or decisions. That is one reason why I depend on God to do the judging.

 

[walt]

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant. There are well established standards for what evidence is, and the standard in logic and reasoning tat uses evidence to form valid conclusions. Believers who try to debate their religious beliefs tend to have low skill levels in what evidence is, and how to reason. No one comes to a valid conclusion that a God exists via evidence and reasoning.

No we don't. Critical thinkers have learned the ruls of logic and how to follow evidence. That is how science works. If you want to dismiss the results in science you aren't doing it rationally. And that is something you need to ponder. At some point someone told you your religious beliefs are true, and you believed them. But now you reject what experts report. How does that make sense? This illustrates the negative affect that evangelical Christianty imposes on many citizens, and they are oblivious. You aren't a skilled thinker, and that is aliability.

No you don't. No one can say thay know any God exists. This is what believers have to tell themselves in order to justify irrational beliefs. The 9-11 hijackers were certain God told them to kill themselves and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. This is how religion works when it has no test in reality. You may not kill yourself and others, but you believe God talks to you, and that is something you should be wary of.

I realize this scripture is not talking about the subject we are talking about, but the point of the scripture still applies.

New Living Translation
But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority. -Acts 5:29

I am sort of a odd fellow, If the Bible doesn't explain it that way, word for word, It's not on my priority list.
What is on my priority list? The Bibles words guide me. Thank you for your viewpoint I really do appreciate your words.

 

[YoursTrue]

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant.

No they're not "irrelevant." A rather famous scientist who received the Nobel prize for discovering certain details also proferred the idea that a spaceship could have come to earth long ago and deposited material of life. I am glad I read that because it showed me how absurd (that is my opinion, of course, and I want to be polite if possible about describing it) some people's views can be, no matter how "smart" they may be.

 

[walt]

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant. There are well established standards for what evidence is, and the standard in logic and reasoning tat uses evidence to form valid conclusions. Believers who try to debate their religious beliefs tend to have low skill levels in what evidence is, and how to reason. No one comes to a valid conclusion that a God exists via evidence and reasoning.

No we don't. Critical thinkers have learned the ruls of logic and how to follow evidence. That is how science works. If you want to dismiss the results in science you aren't doing it rationally. And that is something you need to ponder. At some point someone told you your religious beliefs are true, and you believed them. But now you reject what experts report. How does that make sense? This illustrates the negative affect that evangelical Christianty imposes on many citizens, and they are oblivious. You aren't a skilled thinker, and that is aliability.

No you don't. No one can say thay know any God exists. This is what believers have to tell themselves in order to justify irrational beliefs. The 9-11 hijackers were certain God told them to kill themselves and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. This is how religion works when it has no test in reality. You may not kill yourself and others, but you believe God talks to you, and that is something you should be wary of.

Specific words in the Bible are more important than words that are not in the Bible to me.

If the Bible does not say something about a subject, I use scriptures related to the subject, to get the Bibles view on things.

 

[servant1]

I really like that scripture too, many scriptures explain Jesus is in heaven at God's right hand.

I agree with you and the Bible, Isaiah 44:6 says: beside ME there is no God.

Isaiah 44:6​

YLT(i) 6 Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: `I am the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God.

Rotherham(i) 6 Thus, saith Yahweh––King of Israel, Even his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts,––I, am, First, and, I, Last, And, besides me, there is, no
God.

כֹּה־אָמַר יְהוָה מֶלֶךְ־יִשְׂרָאֵל וְגֹאֲלוֹ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת אֲנִי רִאשׁוֹן וַאֲנִי אַחֲרוֹן וּמִבַּלְעָדַי אֵין אֱלֹהִים׃

Translated into English from the Hebrew text.

Thus saith YHVH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, YHVH of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:6 The Sar Shalom Hebrew-English Bible online. A Bible from a Jewish Faith.​

Jesus is my everything, I listen to his every word to determine any beliefs, Jesus words John 17:3; John 20:17; Matthew 16:13–17; John 3:16, 10:36

And the Apostles have these words to say even after Jesus has ascended to heaven: 1 Peter 1:3; Ephesians 1:3, 17; 2 Corinthians 1:3, 11:31; Romans 15:6; Rev 1:1, 1:6; 1 Cor 15:24; Colossians 1:3; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1st Timothy 2:5; 2 John 1:3; 2 Peter 1:17; 1st John 4:9-10

Most seem to choose believing the errors over truth.

 

[F1fan]

No they're not "irrelevant." A rather famous scientist who received the Nobel prize for discovering certain details also proferred the idea that a spaceship could have come to earth long ago and deposited material of life. I am glad I read that because it showed me how absurd (that is my opinion, of course, and I want to be polite if possible about describing it) some people's views can be, no matter how "smart" they may be.

How does this suggest feelings are relevant? Sciene, law, and logic follows evidence because that is the only reliable way to make valid conclusions.

Specific words in the Bible are more important than words that are not in the Bible to me.

If the Bible does not say something about a subject, I use scriptures related to the subject, to get the Bibles view on things.

So no reliable means to determine truth. Why is that a good thing?

 

[Balthazzar]

What do feelings have to do with understanding what evidence is and isn't? Feelings are irrelevant. There are well established standards for what evidence is, and the standard in logic and reasoning tat uses evidence to form valid conclusions. Believers who try to debate their religious beliefs tend to have low skill levels in what evidence is, and how to reason. No one comes to a valid conclusion that a God exists via evidence and reasoning.

No we don't. Critical thinkers have learned the ruls of logic and how to follow evidence. That is how science works. If you want to dismiss the results in science you aren't doing it rationally. And that is something you need to ponder. At some point someone told you your religious beliefs are true, and you believed them. But now you reject what experts report. How does that make sense? This illustrates the negative affect that evangelical Christianty imposes on many citizens, and they are oblivious. You aren't a skilled thinker, and that is aliability.

No you don't. No one can say thay know any God exists. This is what believers have to tell themselves in order to justify irrational beliefs. The 9-11 hijackers were certain God told them to kill themselves and fly planes full of innocent people into buildings full of innocent people. This is how religion works when it has no test in reality. You may not kill yourself and others, but you believe God talks to you, and that is something you should be wary of.

I have a few remember when's, when I would use an argument, I thought to be the end all be all closer of the subject in question, just to find a hole in the table from the dime I had been spinning on. That's when I understood the concept of a hole being present in one. The Ides of March was a great movie.

Anyway, define God.

Which one?

All of them.

There aren't any.

How do you know?

There's no evidence for them.

Why not?

 

[YoursTrue]

You interpret incorrectly.

I'm not here with a goal in mind. I'm here to discuss not proselytise.

People proselytize when they insist there is no God necessary as creator, that the entire process of life comes from...maybe a spaceship depositing matter on the earth and going from there to... evolution. Or maybe not aliens depositing matter on the earth. Maybe some other occurrence.