Bye Bye Tories

[Secret Chief]

1. Labour has won two by-elections in Wellingborough and Kingswood, overturning big Conservative majorities in the process
2. In Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, the party took Peter Bone’s former seat, which he had held with a majority of more than 18,000
3. And in Kingswood, South Gloucestershire, Labour overturned a 11,220 Conservative majority to win Chris Skidmore’s former seat
4. BBC elections expert John Curtice says the swing from the Conservatives to Labour in Wellingborough was the second biggest in any post-war election

- John Curtice: By-election results leave Tories with mountain to climb

 

[Debater Slayer]

Good. I hope to see Rishi Sunak sent to the trash can of history where he belongs and the blood on his hands become a disgrace following him for the rest of his life.

 

[JIMMY12345]

1. Labour has won two by-elections in Wellingborough and Kingswood, overturning big Conservative majorities in the process
2. In Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, the party took Peter Bone’s former seat, which he had held with a majority of more than 18,000
3. And in Kingswood, South Gloucestershire, Labour overturned a 11,220 Conservative majority to win Chris Skidmore’s former seat
4. BBC elections expert John Curtice says the swing from the Conservatives to Labour in Wellingborough was the second biggest in any post-war election

- John Curtice: By-election results leave Tories with mountain to climb

You are right.Rishi Sunak was a good AND SENSIBLE Prime Minister.When ever was politics about picking the sensible.God bye Mr Sunak Good bye Conservatives.Only because the country will want a change.

 

[Altfish]

Please can we have a General Election now.

 

[Koldo]

Good. I hope to see Rishi Sunak sent to the trash can of history where he belongs and the blood on his hands become a disgrace following him for the rest of his life.

What are you talking about exactly?

 

[ChristineM]

Hopefully a general election will follow the trend and put the conservatives where they belong.

I'm sure sunak and co will introduce plenty of sweeteners before the election in the hope of clawing some of the vote back.

 

[Altfish]

Hopefully a general election will follow the trend and put the conservatives where they belong.

I'm sure sunak and co will introduce plenty of sweeteners before the election in the hope of clawing some of the vote back.

What I don't understand is how so many people still voted for the Tories, have they not been watching?

 

[ChristineM]

What I don't understand is how so many people still voted for the Tories, have they not been watching?

Some people just refuse to see facts, you see it often enough on RF and in American politics, i see no reason why some in the UK are not just as deliberately blind

 

[Debater Slayer]

What are you talking about exactly?

His support for the IDF's actions in Gaza, which have since killed and injured tens of thousands of civilians, and offering military support. For example:

Rishi Sunak says UK is ‘poised’ to offer Israel military help if required

UK prime minister will chair Cobra meeting as death toll continues to rise after Hamas’s surprise attack

www.theguardian.com

Rights groups file legal challenge with UK court, urging a halt on British arms exports to Israel

Legal and human rights groups have filed a legal challenge with Britain’s High Court, calling for the U.K. to stop granting licenses for weapons exports to Israel.

apnews.com

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Am I the only one who finds "retard" to be a distasteful pejorative?

 

[ChristineM]

Am I the only one who finds "retard" to be a distasteful pejorative?

Perhaps you haven't come across founder Nigel Farage... Perhaps the most distasteful person this side of the Atlantic

 

[Secret Chief]

However the story here is also about the Retard*, sorry Reform, party, which captured ~10% of the vote in both cases. So the Conservatives were caught in a squeeze between Labour and the Brexitty far right. The irony is that by raising the prominence of far right issues such as illegal immigration, the Tories have simply fertilised the the soil for Retard to grow in - hoist with their own Retard, in fact.

Yes, the tories have lost the gammon vote! I have confirmed this by donning a hazmat suit and gone wading through the comments at the Daily Heil online. Vote Reform is the cry!

 

[exchemist]

Am I the only one who finds "retard" to be a distasteful pejorative?

I think retard as a pejorative noun, a retard, is only a thing in N America. My use of it is intended to be the imperative form of the verb: “Retard!”, came the cry. They seem to want to stop progress and even turn the clock back, to some mythical Agatha Christie age. I toyed with Regress but my brothers have adopted Retard, so I’ve gone along with it.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, the tories have lost the gammon vote! I have confirmed this by donning a hazmat suit and gone wading through the comments at the Daily Heil online. Vote Reform is the cry!

I wonder how many of them confuse it with Relapse or whatever it is that berk Laurence Fox calls his wacko one man party. I’ve got it - Reclaim. Isn’t it?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Am I the only one who finds "retard" to be a distasteful pejorative?

I'm with you on that...

 

[Secret Chief]

I wonder how many of them confuse it with Relapse or whatever it is that berk Laurence Fox calls his wacko one man party. I’ve got it - Reclaim. Isn’t it?

That's it. Yes, he's truly obnoxious.

 

[Yerda]

Bye bye blue tories. Welcome, red tories.

His support for the IDF's actions in Gaza, which have since killed and injured tens of thousands of civilians, and offering military support.

The people who are going to replace his gov have the exact same position. Keir Starmer publicly stated that cutting off energy and water for civilians was fine.

 

[exchemist]

Bye bye blue tories. Welcome, red tories.


The people who are going to replace his gov have the exact same position. Keir Starmer publicly stated that cutting off energy and water for civilians was fine.

Starmer is playing a crafty game to avoid giving the Conservatives what are called "attack lines". And don't forget he has spent a lot of time getting rid of Corbynite antisemitism in the party, so he is vulnerable to attacks on that score.

His position is shifting now. I feel sure he will join in calls for a ceasefire before long, now that Israel looks as if it is embarking - disgustingly - on ethnic cleansing. I don't see how either main UK party can stay silent much longer - indeed Cameron is making noises about it. So it could become a bipartisan position.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The people who are going to replace his gov have the exact same position. Keir Starmer publicly stated that cutting off energy and water for civilians was fine.

I read about that, and I found it utterly shameful. Even if Starmer supported ceasefire now, he would be far too late, given the loss of life, injury, and destruction that have occurred while he has been against a ceasefire. Nothing can bring back the lost lives or reverse the maiming—in this case, tens of thousands of cases of both—that the opposition to a ceasefire has enabled.

I believe that the Labour Party overall is at least more likely to have members who push back on stances like those than the Tories would, though, so I'm hoping the next PM has more humane policies than Sunak's.

 

[Yerda]

I read about that, and I found it utterly shameful. Even if Starmer supported ceasefire now, he would be far too late, given the loss of life, injury, and destruction that have occurred while he has been against a ceasefire. Nothing can bring back the lost lives or reverse the maiming—in this case, tens of thousands of cases of both—that the opposition to a ceasefire has enabled.

The man is coward and a shameless liar. Anyone who trusts him will regret it.

I believe that the Labour Party overall is at least more likely to have members who push back on stances like those than the Tories would, though, so I'm hoping the next PM has more humane policies than Sunak's.

That sounds like it should be the case. The faction in control of the Labour party is almost exclusively blairite neoliberals, though. If the last Labour government is any guide they will accelerate harmful policies and make decisions that the tories would have wanted but are afraid to carry out.

And anyone who can meaningfully object will be isolated or removed from the party if the push back.