Fallen Prophet
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Caitlyn is right about this.
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Caitlyn Jenner says transgender girls in women’s sports is ‘unfair’
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Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
So the answer to my question is "no", I gather.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
The American term would be "culture war", but I agree. This has become a bipartisan issue much like homosexuality, interracialism etc. used to be. It seems that American politics absolutely, desperately needs a minority on whose backs they can fight their dualistic culture wars.
I've often felt that these "culture wars" are, more or less, contrivances designed to distract the masses.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I would pay to see a professional male football team vs a female professional football team.
Splitting atoms is easy.
Social relationships are far more complex.
Many girls want to play sports with other girls.
Are they wrong to want this?
The issue is the possibility that some trans girls
would have an advantage perceived as unfair.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You just want to get into the locker room!
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
This is an issue I've been looking into and reading about for some time now. I've learned quite a bit along the way, including the fact that I still have much to learn about transgender issues and various medical approaches. Regarding sports, the main thing to keep in mind is that women's sports were created for a reason....to provide women athletes space to play and compete. IOW, women's sports are protective, which means it's important to maintain that protection.
Another thing to keep in mind is that professional sports leagues like the NBA, NFL, PGA Tour, NHL, etc. are not "men's only". They are open to anyone who is good enough to play in them. The reason they are all male is because there aren't any women good enough to play in those leagues. Some women have tried, but have basically failed.
The NCAA currently has the following guidelines for transgender athletes....
That seems reasonable to me, and I've shown this to a few transgender folks (online) and they agreed. So I think it would be reasonable for high schools to adopt the same policy for competitive sports. Pre-high school sports should generally be open to anyone, as the biological differences between the sexes hasn't fully kicked in.
The only issue I've seen with this approach is that it potentially excludes transgender athletes who can't afford the type of medical care required by the policy. I agree that's a problem, but I think it's a bigger problem of economics, access to health care in the US, and income inequality, which isn't going to be solved via athletics regulations.
So overall, it seems there's an obvious and fairly simple solution to this, and given the rarity of actual conflicts in the first place, there seems to be only one reason why it's not being widely implemented....conservative Christians have made transgenders their latest group of "others" that they hate on and seek to oppress. They lost the battle over gays, gay marriage, and gay rights, so now they're focusing all that hate on transgenders.
Another thing to keep in mind is that professional sports leagues like the NBA, NFL, PGA Tour, NHL, etc. are not "men's only". They are open to anyone who is good enough to play in them. The reason they are all male is because there aren't any women good enough to play in those leagues. Some women have tried, but have basically failed.
The NCAA currently has the following guidelines for transgender athletes....
1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.
That seems reasonable to me, and I've shown this to a few transgender folks (online) and they agreed. So I think it would be reasonable for high schools to adopt the same policy for competitive sports. Pre-high school sports should generally be open to anyone, as the biological differences between the sexes hasn't fully kicked in.
The only issue I've seen with this approach is that it potentially excludes transgender athletes who can't afford the type of medical care required by the policy. I agree that's a problem, but I think it's a bigger problem of economics, access to health care in the US, and income inequality, which isn't going to be solved via athletics regulations.
So overall, it seems there's an obvious and fairly simple solution to this, and given the rarity of actual conflicts in the first place, there seems to be only one reason why it's not being widely implemented....conservative Christians have made transgenders their latest group of "others" that they hate on and seek to oppress. They lost the battle over gays, gay marriage, and gay rights, so now they're focusing all that hate on transgenders.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
When you make sports open to everyone, they end up being all male. That's why women's sports leagues were created in the first place.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Most competitive sports started out as all male, and they did so because at the time of their inception, women were barred - either legally or by intense social pressure - from competing in sports at all.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Yes they did, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time now.
Medicaid pays for hormone treatments and even surgery.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
That's a good point. I don't know enough about the system and whether it covers everyone who needs it though.
They cover mine. They like to play games at times and try get out of covering it, but you just have your doctor's office write them a letter and they cover it.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Good to know...thanks!
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Women's sports, too, exist for a very long time now, and you were talking about the origins of competitive women's sports, so I found my interjection somewhat appropriate. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Certainly, and they've generally done well and are doing better each year. Glad to see it!