California AB 957 authorizes courts to take transgender kids away from parents.

[Friend of Mara]

How so?

Pretty sure in Florida if you give gender affirming care to children you get your child taken away. And in California if you don't give them gender affirming care you get them taken away. So opposites.

 

[Shaul]

Pretty sure in Florida if you give gender affirming care to children you get your child taken away. And in California if you don't give them gender affirming care you get them taken away. So opposites.

I highly doubt that they take away your children in Florida for that. If you have an example I would like to see it.

 

[Friend of Mara]

I highly doubt that they take away your children in Florida for that. If you have an example I would like to see it.

I mean I don't think anyone will actually take away a child for not giving them gender affirming care in California.

 

[Shaul]

I mean I don't think anyone will actually take away a child for not giving them gender affirming care in California.

Apples and oranges. The Florida statute doesn't prohibit gender affirming therapies. It just proscribes restrictions on sex reassignment surgery. The California statute is much, much broader. The California statute is specific to authorizing the state taking permanent child custody. The Florida statute is targeting the sex reassignment procedures and provides only for temporary child custody during an investigation.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Apples and oranges. The Florida statute doesn't prohibit gender affirming therapies. It just proscribes restrictions on sex reassignment surgery. The California statute is much, much broader. The California statute is specific to authorizing the state taking permanent child custody. The Florida statute is targeting the sex reassignment procedures and provides only for temporary child custody during an investigation.

Sure. And the Cali law is toothless in comparison. It simply adds that specifically not upholding or respecting the Childs gender identity is now factored in when dealing with custody cases. The CPS isn't knocking down every door in Cali and stealing the kids away from every conservative family who misgenders their child. The most likely case is that this will be used in divorce court for the parent that wants custody of the kid and can use this to their advantage. The mom is a little less transphobic than the dad and says that Kevin doesn't have to wear dresses at mom's house.

However the Florida law specifically is talking about criminal offenses for anyone seeking to give care to minors. Surgical is what is usually brought up but thats just because it was an easy talking point for the opposition. Surgery wasn't a thing minors were getting. If they were getting it understand that isn't the mainstream thing. The medically induced portion that is now criminalized are hormones and hormone blockers. Most importantly the second of the two. Though as far as I know in Florida people are allowed to let their kids socially transition as much as they want and the law can't do anything about that. Though bathrooms might be touch and go depending on the county they are in.

Either way I was just pointing out that it was kind of funny that one state wanted to encode laws that banned kids transitioning and the other wanted to ban people trying to ban kids from transitioning. Was a bit of funny tee hee ha ha.

 

[Watchmen]

The California legislature has passed AB 957 and sent it to the Governor. It revises the state's Family Code to authorize courts to remove children from the custody of their parents for failure to affirm the child's "gender identity".

California AB957 | 2023-2024 | Regular Session

You’re grossly overstating this bill. They are adding gender affirmation as one additional factor for a court to consider when determining custody and visitation issues (e.g., during divorce proceedings). Do you think a child should be placed with a parent who abusively refuses to affirm the gender of a trans child?

 

[Watchmen]

Using the power of the state to rip children away from their parents is an extreme measure that should only be used as a last resort. "Affirming gender" is insufficient cause for doing so, will harm the child and is itself child abuse by the state.

You are misreading the bill. Actually, I suspect your misreading is intentional to promote a fanatic religious view.

 

[Watchmen]

EDIT: Double post.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Totalitarian behavior is generally regarded as bad.

Well yea. The government dragging kids from their parents because a stranger views raising children differs from their own is totalitarianism 101. Same as chasing down those who don't want kids.

 

[Watchmen]

If you are assuming "child custody" cases only apply to divorce cases that is wrong. For the purposes of this section of the Family Code a child custody hearing could be initiated by any reporting party. This would include teachers and health care workers who are required by law to report any suspected child abuser. Not allowed but required. They are "mandatory reporters". Which if this law goes into effect would include not "affirming" the gender identity of the child. The potentialities are quite dangerous for everyone involved, the parents and the child. Yes, this would lead to ripping children from their homes.

Your position is abusive and evil.

 

[Watchmen]

Not surprised givin it's in the People's State of California with authoritarian Democrats completely in charge whom in their own one party view, own other people's children in order to maintain a collective one state, one mind, one view.

The true totalitarian party. The true spirit of Communist China.

Watch the Master Supreme Governor sign it with glee.

Dead wrong. Typical far right abuse demonstrated by you and Shaul.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Dead wrong. Typical far right abuse demonstrated by you and Shaul.

I'm not that brainwashed.

 

[Watchmen]

There is nothing totalitarian about the bill. It’s simply adding one factor for a judge to consider. It’s not mandated. It’s not the only factor.

 

[Watchmen]

I'm not that brainwashed.

Never said you were.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Well yea. The government dragging kids from their parents because a stranger views raising children differs from their own is totalitarianism 101. Same as chasing down those who don't want kids.

I am 100% in support of Trans rights. I even support kids being able to start transitioning to a degree. No surgery or anything but hormone blocker are fine if they have jumped through all of the difficult and arduous hoops that should be required before any sort of medical intervention takes place.

But I don't agree with the state taking kids away simply because they aren't letting them start that journey under the age of 18. Though I don't think thats what this will turn into. That isn't even what the language of the bill says. Though I can understand why it made you a little spooked. My guess is that there will be exactly 0 cases where well meaning parents whose only crime is refusing to use the correct pronouns for their kid loose custody of said kid. Though I bet there will be plenty of cases were abuse in general will have this added to the list. And again I think it will most commonly be used as another token in divorce court for custody battles.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am 100% in support of Trans rights. I even support kids being able to start transitioning to a degree. No surgery or anything but hormone blocker are fine if they have jumped through all of the difficult and arduous hoops that should be required before any sort of medical intervention takes place.

But I don't agree with the state taking kids away simply because they aren't letting them start that journey under the age of 18. Though I don't think thats what this will turn into. That isn't even what the language of the bill says. Though I can understand why it made you a little spooked. My guess is that there will be exactly 0 cases where well meaning parents whose only crime is refusing to use the correct pronouns for their kid loose custody of said kid. Though I bet there will be plenty of cases were abuse in general will have this added to the list. And again I think it will most commonly be used as another token in divorce court for custody battles.

I think a good compromise would be allowing a reversible treatment or therapy for minors until they come of age, and then go and decide decide on more permanent measures upon adulthood. Not barging down doors or chasing down people across state lines.

This is supposed to be the land of the free.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There is nothing totalitarian about the bill. It’s simply adding one factor for a judge to consider. It’s not mandated. It’s not the only factor.

It shouldn't even be an option. Not in America.

 

[icehorse]

You’re grossly overstating this bill. They are adding gender affirmation as one additional factor for a court to consider when determining custody and visitation issues (e.g., during divorce proceedings). Do you think a child should be placed with a parent who abusively refuses to affirm the gender of a trans child?

Do you all remember that most kids with gender dysphoria grow out of it as they go through puberty? (Most end up being gay.)

 

[Friend of Mara]

I think a good compromise would be allowing a reversible treatment or therapy for minors until they come of age, and then go and decide decide on more permanent measures upon adulthood. Not barging down doors or chasing down people across state lines.

This is supposed to be the land of the free.

I agree.

 

[icehorse]

I am 100% in support of Trans rights. I even support kids being able to start transitioning to a degree. No surgery or anything but hormone blocker are fine if they have jumped through all of the difficult and arduous hoops that should be required before any sort of medical intervention takes place.

I think it's a myth that hormone blockers are safe and reversible. I think they are neither.