California Antifa Teacher caught by promoting political agenda

[lewisnotmiller]

What kind of person defends a fascist and instigator of mass murder and attempted genocide?

An optimist?

 

[Secret Chief]

I say that it would be useful to understand what made Hitler
tick, how he rose to power, & how he exercised it.

It is.

I recommend:

Hitler 1889 - 1936 Hubris (by Ian Kershaw)

Hitler 1936 - 1945 Nemesis (by Ian Kershaw)

Appeasing Hitler: Chamberlain, Churchill and the Road to War (by Tim Bouverie)

 

[Secret Chief]

An optimist?

That's one word for them.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Absolutely.

Hitler had his weaknesses but it would be foolish to deny he had many strengths as well. So yes. Hitler did many things “right”. Though, I wonder what you mean by “right” and “wrong”? What is or is not morally acceptable? Who’s morals? And acceptable to who, exactly? Your morals are subjective.

What about his devotion to his country, and any choices and actions of his that were in the best interest of Germany, strengthening it? Anything he did that falls under these categories could be considered “right”. What then of choices and actions that resulted in his own personal growth, achievements and victories? Fulfilling the destiny you desire most in this world by actively pursuing it and bringing about the changes yourself can be considered “right” as well.

So there it is. I know this is not the answer you were looking for, and it might even trigger some people hearing that, but it is foolish to underestimate your opponent by not acknowledging their strengths and ignoring the things they do “right”.

So, aside from recognizing perceived "strengths" of Hitler (whatever you mean by that), do you personally condemn his genocidal, murderous actions and racially supremacist beliefs or not? As it is, your post seems borderline apologetic toward Hitler or at least trying to "trigger" people at the expense of clarity, nuance, and consideration of Nazi crimes as well as the scope thereof.

 

[Viker]

Abuse of children as he said "Scare the **** out of them".

So, can I sue people who told me or various family members we were going to hell, as a child? I wouldn't mind, if you think I have a case, that is.

 

[Stevicus]

Thank you Veritos for your continued good work. I believe the School Board is suffering for doing nothing and yielded to the pressure by firing the teacher.

I think he should be prosecuted... do you?

What would they prosecute him with?

 

[Stevicus]

He was talking about the parent companies. Yes, Project Veritas has a history of dishonest reporting. That does not mean that they are always wrong. Hopefully both ABC and CBS properly vetted the story.

I've only recently heard of Project Veritas, although in this case, it appears they went after low-hanging fruit. The guy had a picture of Mao in his classroom and walks down the street with a hammer-and-sickle on his shirt. I don't see how they could have faked that (but if they did, that would come out in the investigation). I'll give him credit for having brass, but my own observation is that wearing communist symbols doesn't generally fly with middle class America.

 

[PureX]

CLICK BAIT!

 

[SomeRandom]

I though "scaring the **** out of them" would be considered child abuse as a teacher.

Heh, clearly you never met any of my teachers.

 

[SomeRandom]

Nor did I say it was. I've studied this topic a lot. Apart from reading Mein Kampf to get some sense from him in his own words (not worth the effort) I can do fun things like explain the negative economic impact on Nazi decisions around wartime munitions production, centralisation vs non-centralisation.

Whilst not useful skills, I feel they help me judge his leadership in a pragmatic sense.

From a moral sense, the guy is a reprehensible stain on humanity.

I'm a big believer in Gray, rather than black or white. So let's just say even on that spectrum, there are going to be very, very, very dark Gray examples, and he's one.

I’ve developed something of a sick fascination of the evil moustache man. My old history teacher despised the Nazis so I guess that’s where I got it from. I’ve read book after book about him to try to understand why he did what he did. I gave up years ago. History is hard.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is.

I recommend:

Hitler 1889 - 1936 Hubris (by Ian Kershaw)

Hitler 1936 - 1945 Nemesis (by Ian Kershaw)

Appeasing Hitler: Chamberlain, Churchill and the Road to War (by Tim Bouverie)

Thanx but I've already heard enuf about
Hitler to eschew further investigation.

 

[Stevicus]

I’ve developed something of a sick fascination of the evil moustache man. My old history teacher despised the Nazis so I guess that’s where I got it from. I’ve read book after book about him to try to understand why he did what he did. I gave up years ago. History is hard.

When I started to learn who Hitler was, I learned he was a villain, but a defeated villain. And living in America and being taught the decidedly pro-American view of history, an impressionable young American might be led to conclude that we Americans defeated Hitler single-handedly. (That wasn't true, of course, but it seemed part of the general tapestry of American patriotism at the time.)

I must confess that some of my early impressions of WW2 were formed by watching "Hogan's Heroes" as a kid. Overall, it seemed the general portrayal of Hitler was that of a crazy buffoon or some kind of comic book villain. But at the time, West Germany and Japan had since become our allies, while our former allies, Russia and China, had become our enemies. Hitler was dead, gone, and no longer a threat at that point. Even Germany itself was no longer a threat (except to pop music).

At least in America, the focus on anti-communism was so great, it may have had the effect of de-emphasizing anti-fascism or making fascism appear so impotent that it's "nothing to worry about." After all, we defeated the fascists. We captured them. They belong to us now. So, if we want their rocket scientists to make rockets for us, then so be it. If we want former members of the Gestapo to train anti-communist secret police in South America, then whatever is done in the cause of anti-communism is good for America - at least in the minds of some of the people running things in this country.

In my opinion, this is how some opinions can seem conflicted. Some Americans might be inclined to forgive or go soft on those whom they see as "anti-communist," as they associate that with being "pro-American." It was on that basis that we supported numerous military and/or quasi-fascist regimes all around the world, as we saw them as allies in the global struggle against the Evil Empire.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree; I would take it one stage further and say preachers who preach politics should have their tax status removed.

That runs into 1st Amendment problems. The solution
is to eliminate all tax dodges for being a religion,
regardless of their political speech.

 

[SomeRandom]

When I started to learn who Hitler was, I learned he was a villain, but a defeated villain. And living in America and being taught the decidedly pro-American view of history, an impressionable young American might be led to conclude that we Americans defeated Hitler single-handedly. (That wasn't true, of course, but it seemed part of the general tapestry of American patriotism at the time.)

I must confess that some of my early impressions of WW2 were formed by watching "Hogan's Heroes" as a kid. Overall, it seemed the general portrayal of Hitler was that of a crazy buffoon or some kind of comic book villain. But at the time, West Germany and Japan had since become our allies, while our former allies, Russia and China, had become our enemies. Hitler was dead, gone, and no longer a threat at that point. Even Germany itself was no longer a threat (except to pop music).

At least in America, the focus on anti-communism was so great, it may have had the effect of de-emphasizing anti-fascism or making fascism appear so impotent that it's "nothing to worry about." After all, we defeated the fascists. We captured them. They belong to us now. So, if we want their rocket scientists to make rockets for us, then so be it. If we want former members of the Gestapo to train anti-communist secret police in South America, then whatever is done in the cause of anti-communism is good for America - at least in the minds of some of the people running things in this country.

In my opinion, this is how some opinions can seem conflicted. Some Americans might be inclined to forgive or go soft on those whom they see as "anti-communist," as they associate that with being "pro-American." It was on that basis that we supported numerous military and/or quasi-fascist regimes all around the world, as we saw them as allies in the global struggle against the Evil Empire.

Well when I learned about Hitler it was from a source that while very much against him was still professional. I’ll admit that my age may have detracted from my full understanding of the actual horror (to be fair I think that’s true of all generations to a certain extent.)
I hope you don’t mind me saying, I think the US style of education maybe allowed for a further Hitler figure. Just based on what I’ve heard and even what you’ve told me about your education. My history class could have been much better but we learnt why Hitler appealed to folk. Hell he even used communism to gain power. No joke. Look up Ernst Rohm, the infamous gay Nazi.
I think more emphasis needs to be put on why Hitler appealed to people and gained power in the first place in education. We learn history so we don’t repeat it, right? So why ignore the pathway that Hitler took? That’s how we repeat History.
I mean folks just see Hitler as an anomaly. But it was complicated. There were even Jews for Hitler. By denying this reality, people allow for minorities to advocate for fascism, whilst denying they are. After all why would such folk do such a thing, ignoring the real world examples set during actual fascists rising to power.

Didn’t realise Hogans Hero’s was about WWII even though I grew up on the reruns. Maybe I just mixed it up with Mash in my head.

 

[Secret Chief]

Thanx mut I've already heard enuf about
Hitler to eschew further investigation.

No prob, it was meant for general consumption, I wasn't directing my recc at yourself.

 

[We Never Know]

There are "news" organization which have no credibility left like OANN, Fox News, The Daily Mirror in the UK, BILD Zeitung in Germany, etc. I think it's fair to dismiss any reporting by them with a hand wave.

While true same are just waived away because they are not liked.

 

[We Never Know]

So Hitler did some things right and some things wrong?

Depends upon who you ask. However I said both party's in referring to the two party's here in America.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've only recently heard of Project Veritas, although in this case, it appears they went after low-hanging fruit. The guy had a picture of Mao in his classroom and walks down the street with a hammer-and-sickle on his shirt. I don't see how they could have faked that (but if they did, that would come out in the investigation). I'll give him credit for having brass, but my own observation is that wearing communist symbols doesn't generally fly with middle class America.

I hate the video since it is almost self refuting. If one has a valid point to make one does not cut up a talk into sentences at best. When I see a person not able to respond a post here properly but instead insists on responding to every sentence, or even fragments of sentences rather than at least a concept in context it tells me that they cannot debate honestly and probably realize that they are wrong Project Veritas does the same thing. It looks like they gave the man enough rope to hang himself, but as presented it is doubtful. A teacher is not supposed to support only one party in the US and apparently base his grading upon that. Though I disagreed with almost everything that Trump did a teacher still should not be teaching openly that he is an idiot. That belongs outside of the classroom. In fact it can have the unintended effect of students going over to the side that he is so obviously trying to drive them away from. When one is under the thumb of a despot once one is free one is apt to take a contrary course.

 

[Stevicus]

Well when I learned about Hitler it was from a source that while very much against him was still professional. I’ll admit that my age may have detracted from my full understanding of the actual horror (to be fair I think that’s true of all generations to a certain extent.)
I hope you don’t mind me saying, I think the US style of education maybe allowed for a further Hitler figure. Just based on what I’ve heard and even what you’ve told me about your education. My history class could have been much better but we learnt why Hitler appealed to folk. Hell he even used communism to gain power. No joke. Look up Ernst Rohm, the infamous gay Nazi.
I think more emphasis needs to be put on why Hitler appealed to people and gained power in the first place in education. We learn history so we don’t repeat it, right? So why ignore the pathway that Hitler took? That’s how we repeat History.
I mean folks just see Hitler as an anomaly. But it was complicated. There were even Jews for Hitler. By denying this reality, people allow for minorities to advocate for fascism, whilst denying they are. After all why would such folk do such a thing, ignoring the real world examples set during actual fascists rising to power.

Didn’t realise Hogans Hero’s was about WWII even though I grew up on the reruns. Maybe I just mixed it up with Mash in my head.

I think Western historians, philosophers, thinkers, authors, and film producers have had an ongoing fascination with Hitler, and he's viewed by many (if not most) as the most evil person to have ever walked the face of the Earth. Some people have tried to find out what made him tick, but it's equally mystifying to examine the question of why so many people followed him to begin with.

I remember seeing films of Hitler ranting in German to roaring crowds of people cheering and waving Nazi flags, with the central idea that it was through the power of his oratory and some kind of charisma which mesmerized and almost hypnotized the German people into supporting him. To be sure, they were in a pretty bad situation at the time. They were still reeling from their loss in WW1, the economy was in a shambles, and the Soviet Union was being seen as a growing threat to the east. Considering how bonkers many Americans have gotten over communism, I can see how similar fears can be manifested in other countries, particularly those closer to the Evil Empire than ours.

 

[Stevicus]

I hate the video since it is almost self refuting. If one has a valid point to make one does not cut up a talk into sentences at best. When I see a person not able to respond a post here properly but instead insists on responding to every sentence, or even fragments of sentences rather than at least a concept in context it tells me that they cannot debate honestly and probably realize that they are wrong Project Veritas does the same thing. It looks like they gave the man enough rope to hang himself, but as presented it is doubtful. A teacher is not supposed to support only one party in the US and apparently base his grading upon that. Though I disagreed with almost everything that Trump did a teacher still should not be teaching openly that he is an idiot. That belongs outside of the classroom. In fact it can have the unintended effect of students going over to the side that he is so obviously trying to drive them away from. When one is under the thumb of a despot once one is free one is apt to take a contrary course.

I don't know that this teacher has broken any laws, although whether he has violated district policy and grounds for termination, that would be up to the school district itself. I think he should still get some due process, though. He obviously has very strong, definite opinions, but that doesn't mean he's a bad teacher or that he would be unfair to any students who disagreed with him.

I think the whole message of the video was to create an impression in the eyes of viewers who are already predisposed towards thinking in right-wing terms. Their message was something like this: "Look, see? A high school teacher who's a member of antifa. He has a picture of Mao in his classroom and wears a commie t-shirt. And the school district has tolerated this, so they must be a bunch of dirty commies, too."

I don't like the video either, since there doesn't appear to be any visible evidence of wrongdoing, unless some rule violation involving the poster of Chairman Mao or the antifa flag in the classroom. I wouldn't know about that, but I've noticed a general narrative and trend of events which would indicate a full-scale attack on public education. People are going after schools left and right, whether it's over masks, vaccinations, CRT, evolution, or left-leaning teachers like this one.