God didn't create flash lights.
But perhaps God created photons?
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Calling all young earth creationists!
- Thread starter Youtellme
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But perhaps God created photons?
ArcNinja
Member
What natural light is there other than the sun and the moon, might I ask?
Which came first: the photon or the star. Note: this is not a trick question.
ArcNinja
Member
Jesus.
I am sorry that you are having so much trouble with this.
ArcNinja
Member
Haha, yeah, I'm taking this thread way too lately.
Well, that clarifies the matter. Thanks for the intellectual honesty.
ArcNinja
Member
*steals a donut and eases out... for now*
L'shalom ...
* walks off enjoying a bagel *
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JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
Before our sun existed the only light outside the vicinity of where our sun was born was from the other stars that existed at that time in the Milky Way and surrounding galaxies. Inside the vicinity of where our sun was born it was opaque because it was a large cloud of dust and gases left over from a previous stars supernova that collapsed to form our sun. So there was no light in the vicinity of our sun before it went ZAMS (Zero Age Main Sequence) and started producing energy. So you book is wrong. Either God didn't know what he was talking about when (if) he dictated the Bible to men or it was just written by men who had no clue about how/when/where or why the earth was formed, hence the explanation in words and terms men of that day and age could comprehend. What man of Biblical times could have understood billions of years, little on how a star forms or how planets are formed from the left over dust.
Question for MOF. HOW and WHERE was the Iron in your blood created? Not WHO you think created it, How and WHERE, by what process was it created? In addition before what event was it created?
Question for MOF. HOW and WHERE was the Iron in your blood created? Not WHO you think created it, How and WHERE, by what process was it created? In addition before what event was it created?
JustWondering2
Just the facts Ma'am
So by natural light, does that mean you believe light is produced and shines down on us on the Moon? And is light from other stars in the Milky Way Un-Natural because it doesn't come from our Sun or Moon?
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I'm not reading anything at the moment. Most of the time I'm random articles online or watching videos on youtube etc.
Very well. What credible books on evolution have you read in the past?
<yawn>
Which came into existence first, photons or suns?
</yawn>Ah! I see. Funny enough, the one I most recently read was one for kids. I figured if there's a basic intro to evolution, a kids book ought to do it! However, before that I read a book called "How Evolution adds up". I haven't read a lot of books on the subject, but watched stuff by Dawkins etc. etc. Quite a lot of stuff.
I've of course also read, at least bits of books on the other side of the argument. Stuff like God's Undertaker - Has science buried God?; and plan on reading Darwin's Blackbox; Shattering the Myths of Darwinism.
Now, both sides seem to make very strong arguments. For and against. Both sides are scientists, albeit that the "creationist" side will probably not be regarded as real scientists.
Now, here's little old me, stuck in the middle, not knowing who to believe.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
You will have to make up your mind based on your philosophy of life because the evidence can be interpreted either way.
Here are three general guidelines to help you out:
Godless evolution (it happened we just have to figure out how)
Faithful creation
Theist/Catholic/Christian evolution (just trust science)
That's the problem. Both will say it can't. Unless you are Catholic.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Because both see the evidential data through their philosophy glasses. Let's say that I can't see how there could be a God or it doesnt make sense to me. Then the evolution evidence will look right because naturalism is all there is to me. Then lets say, like myself, I am a born again believer and I communicate with God and know God personally, I believe the Bible is the inspired, infallible inerrant word of God and I look at the world though those glasses. I can see clearly that evolution didnt happen and that there is no evidence of it, or the evidence that is touted for it is allowed in the creation model. Now I am a Catholic/theist/Christian and my church comes out for evolution and my church is the only way to heaven, I believe, then of course I am going to be for it. Or lets say that I am a Christian scientist and if I want to be taken seriously then I am pro-evolution.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Well, iron is a serious problem for God. If you make a chariot of iron, you might be able to keep God at distance, or so at least it sounds from the story in the Bible. (Judges 1:19)
Maybe Satan created iron? Hmmm....
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
See, earlier you framed it like this:
Godless – evolution (it happened we just have to figure out how)
Faithful – creation
Theist/Catholic/Christian – evolution (just trust science)
And while I think this is a little oversimplified, I would say that it's a fairly accurate representation of the sides an individual may take on the issue, in that it covers that creation is a strictly theistic, faith-based position; while evolution can be a position held by both atheists and theists that is based on scientific inquiry rather than faith.
However, in this post, you're basically saying that the first and third groups are approaching it with bias, whereas the "faithful" group can "see clearly" that evolution "didn't happen".
It's a shame. For a moment there, I thought you were actually showing some objectivity. Turns out it's just you saying "I know what I believe is true and that makes me completely unbiased". I find it very difficult not to laugh when people say things like "I communicate directly with God and I know he exists and his word is the Bible, and this means I know X, Y or Z are false". It's basically like saying "I am extremely biased and have a mindset that is entirely dependent on X, Y and Z being false because I've decided that's what I want to believe, and this means I know X, Y and Z are false." If you want to come across as unbiased, it's best not to explain your bias first.
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