Can a human be more compassionate and merciful than God (in your opinion)

[james bond]

They ate a piece of fruit they weren't supposed to eat because some talking snake said it would give them knowledge. At most what a person deserves for that is a smack in the face!

Such confusion. They disobeyed God. That was what the Tree of Knowledge was for to test our free will. Do you know what is our modern Tree of Knowledge? Afterward, God didn't make it so we disobey Him as a test.

And we all know snakes can't talk. Satan was the one talking using the snake.

 

[james bond]

They had everything but the ability to know better, you mean. You can raise a child in poverty, disease and squalor and it still be immensely happy. Why? Because it knows nothing but that. Being happy because someone has intentionally made it so you don't know of any alternatives isn't really happiness, it's blissful ignorance.

Ignorance is bliss. Have to say it's a different view, one I have not heard of before. I've heard the saying, but haven't heard it being applied to Adam and Eve.

It comes down to free will and making a choice is the way I interpret it.

What do you think of this view? First, God used a negative test to see if humankind would obey Him. Adam and Eve disobeyed so humankind failed. Today, God uses a positive test to see if humankind would obey. He provides John 3:16. The humans who obey receive perfection.

 

[Spiderman]

Such confusion. They disobeyed God. That was what the Tree of Knowledge was for to test our free will. Do you know what is our modern Tree of Knowledge? Afterward, God didn't make it so we disobey Him as a test.

And we all know snakes can't talk. Satan was the one talking using the snake.

Why should we all suffer because of Adam and Eve's disobedience?

 

[Nietzsche]

Ignorance is bliss. Have to say it's a different view, one I have not heard of before. I've heard the saying, but haven't heard it being applied to Adam and Eve.

Adam & Eve, at least if Christianity is true, is the first story of blissful ignorance. God crafts the world and places humanity upon it, and says "It is good". We don't have anyone else to verify this, so we assume it was good. Then he tells them not to eat from one particular tree(the tree of Knowledge). It will supposedly kill them. Then a snake(an animal associated with wisdom the world over) tells them "No, you'll be fine". And they eat of the tree. And it doesn't kill them. We just become aware of our surroundings. God then punishes them.

The fruit didn't damn them to mortality and death. God did. Why? Because they now knew something they weren't supposed to?

It comes down to free will and making a choice is the way I interpret it.

Without the Knowledge the tree gave us, how could they have made any meaningful choices? God apparently made us incomplete. We had to do the rest for ourselves. Not the last time we'd have to fix his mistakes either.

What do you think of this view? First, God used a negative test to see if humankind would obey Him. Adam and Eve disobeyed so humankind failed. Today, God uses a positive test to see if humankind would obey. He provides John 3:16. The humans who obey receive perfection.

Do you support reparations for slavery?

 

[james bond]

Why should we all suffer because of Adam and Eve's disobedience?

They were the first parents of all humankind. Incredulous as it may seem, it's better than we came from fish.

 

[Spiderman]

They were the first parents of all humankind. Incredulous as it may seem, it's better than we came from fish.

We don't deserve to be punished for an infraction we never commited

 

[james bond]

Adam & Eve, at least if Christianity is true, is the first story of blissful ignorance. God crafts the world and places humanity upon it, and says "It is good". We don't have anyone else to verify this, so we assume it was good. Then he tells them not to eat from one particular tree(the tree of Knowledge). It will supposedly kill them. Then a snake(an animal associated with wisdom the world over) tells them "No, you'll be fine". And they eat of the tree. And it doesn't kill them. We just become aware of our surroundings. God then punishes them.

The fruit didn't damn them to mortality and death. God did. Why? Because they now knew something they weren't supposed to?


Without the Knowledge the tree gave us, how could they have made any meaningful choices? God apparently made us incomplete. We had to do the rest for ourselves. Not the last time we'd have to fix his mistakes either.


Do you support reparations for slavery?

There were people who read the first Bible and didn't accept it, but they came to realize it was done because of God's love. One has to find that in the Bible to trust it. As for not dying immediately, I've been told that it wasn't like a quick acting poison, but one that would begin the start of dying. Had they not eaten the forbidden fruit, then they would have continued to live their eternal life and so would have we. It marked the end of eternal life for humankind. The evidence is we still admire perfection and seek it although it is difficult to achieve. We still seek longevity. It also explains why humans, the off springs of A&E, lived so long during their time. The Bible lists their longevity. Modern humans, do not have this anymore.

The serpent wasn't talking, but Satan was talking through the snake. We know snakes do not talk.

The rest are your opinions, so it is what it is .

 

[Nietzsche]

There were people who read the first Bible and didn't accept it, but they came to realize it was done because of God's love. One has to find that in the Bible to trust it. As for not dying immediately, I've been told that it wasn't like a quick acting poison, but one that would begin the start of dying. Had they not eaten the forbidden fruit, then they would have continued to live their eternal life and so would have we. It marked the end of eternal life for humankind. The evidence is we still admire perfection and seek it although it is difficult to achieve. We still seek longevity. It also explains why humans, the off springs of A&E, lived so long during their time. The Bible lists their longevity. Modern humans, do not have this anymore.

The serpent wasn't talking, but Satan was talking through the snake. We know snakes do not talk.

The rest are your opinions, so it is what it is .

I ask again, how do you feel about slave reparations in the United States? That is, modern people(white people, obviously) paying reparations to the descendants of slaves?

 

[james bond]

We don't deserve to be punished for an infraction we never commited

You mentioned this before, but you're applying today's concepts to the past. It wasn't like that with God and Adam & Eve. Who was the sole authority then and what did A&E have that we do not, i.e. eternal life, perfection, authority to rule over all animals and name them, etc.

 

[james bond]

I ask again, how do you feel about slave reparations in the United States? That is, modern people(white people, obviously) paying reparations to the descendants of slaves?

You'll have to explain. I didn't understand your question and the relevance.

 

[Spiderman]

You mentioned this before, but you're applying today's concepts to the past. It wasn't like that with God and Adam & Eve. Who was the sole authority then and what did A&E have that we do not, i.e. eternal life, perfection, authority to rule over all animals and name them, etc.

God Made Them Fall. God knew they would fall before he ever created the tree to tempt them. God let the serpent into the garden knowing what it would do.

If you let a monster into the room with your stupid children knowing that the monster will destroy them, it's because you want it to happen

 

[psychoslice]

I have known many people in my life that are far better than any god.

 

[psychoslice]

Why do you feel God(s) should be compassionate?

Isn't god suppose to be love ?.

 

[Spiderman]

Isn't god suppose to be love ?.

The Bible says he is...let's see if he can be faithful to his Word

 

[psychoslice]

The Bible says he is...let's see if he can be faithful to his Word

In my opinion he hasn't so far.

 

[Nietzsche]

You'll have to explain. I didn't understand your question and the relevance.

The punishment for whatever supposed transgressions in the Garden of Eden have been paid by every generation of of humans. Assuming the Eden story is true, we're being punished for the actions of who are literally our earliest possible ancestors. It ceased to be punishment the moment their offspring were punished for the crimes of their parents, and instead became torture.

 

[Aštra’el]

Isn't god suppose to be love ?.

I am not among those who would compare YHVH to the likes Cupid and Aphrodite. I have never once described YHVH as a "God of love". I instead use phrases like "ultimate Creation and ultimate Destruction" and "ultimate Order over ultimate Chaos" when describing YHVH's archetype.

 

[psychoslice]

I am not among those who would compare YHVH to the likes Cupid and Aphrodite. I have never once described YHVH as a "God of love". I instead use phrases like "ultimate Creation and ultimate Destruction" and "ultimate Order over ultimate Chaos" when describing YHVH's archetype.

Yes I can agree with you, and when I say love, I am not talking about silly cupid, Love is being One with all there is, its realizing our true Self, its seeing ourselves through others, when we truly love, we are Loving ourselves, for we are One.

 

[psychoslice]

They were the first parents of all humankind. Incredulous as it may seem, it's better than we came from fish.

Or dirt and mud, like they did lol.

 

[james bond]

God Made Them Fall. God knew they would fall before he ever created the tree to tempt them. God let the serpent into the garden knowing what it would do.

If you let a monster into the room with your stupid children knowing that the monster will destroy them, it's because you want it to happen

So wrong ha ha. You're not following the true story through and keep throwing in your wrong interpretation. You're like that person I was talking about except he used to exploit the kindness of Christians in real life. He read the entire Bible and yet still called God evil.

God knew. God knew when He created free will and gave it to the angels. All of this is suppose to happen or else He just created puppets who will obey Him. Our parents failed the negative test and disobeyed. So what's left? The positive test. John 3:16.