Can countries respond to Coronavirus without Medical Aid for All?

[shmogie]

Can countries respond to Coronavirus without Medical Aid for All?

Your news channel has already told you that there are already 8000 cases (yesterday). We are hearing that 40-70% of the World's population could be affected by this sickness.
Fatality rates vary from 5% (Wuhan) to about 2-3% elsewhere. The shops in N. Italy are cleared out daily for emergency supplies. In the UK it is impossible to purchase hand cleanser from retail stores. Stocks and Shares are mostly crashing apart from the Pharmaceutical Industry. A gold sovereign has risen in value from about £225 before Christmas last year to £310 today..... the price of gold is one of the best 'crisis' thermometers there is.

But folks are already asking how countries like the United States could cope with such a pandemic if many millions of its citizens are not provided for with automatic medical aid!

As people become ill or are exposed to the virus they must be quarantined AND looked after. This issue seems to be obscured by folks calling out about how this could influence politics, but the big question is:-

Are we all preparing for a Communal and United Effort to Save People in such a Pandemic?

You misunderstand the American system. Millions upon millions have qualified for essentially free medical care, called medicaid.

Those who do not have a private plan, medicare, or medicaid, MUST be treated at any emergency room of any hospital regardless of ability to pay.

In a situation such as the corona virus, the government may declare that all infected be treated, or monitored, or that however many tested be tested free.

The US has the premiere Center for Disease Control, which is consulted by, and provides in country aid, to countries around the world.

We will deal with it better than most countries, perhaps all countries.,

You don't have to be concerned about us.

Why would people who have no understanding of our system in Britain be asking questions about us?

Quite interesting.

Are they asking about China, where it started and everyone has the same cookie cutter medical aid?

Seems to me that we all should be concerned about their abilities, treatment system, and the failure of their government controlled efforts, that failed.

 

[Lyndon]

In terms of ability to help all the people, America has the worst health system of the developed world, your rosy eyed picture is a joke.

 

[shmogie]

In terms of ability to help all the people, America has the worst health system of the developed world, your rosy eyed picture is a joke.

Really? So, tell me your facts about the system, and specifically point out the errors in my post.

I await your response

 

[Lyndon]

Arguing with someone like you is beyond pointless.

 

[shmogie]

Arguing with someone like you is beyond pointless.

Especially when you don't know the facts, and accept and repeat a particular narrative without knowing them.

 

[oldbadger]

You misunderstand the American system. Millions upon millions have qualified for essentially free medical care, called medicaid.

Those who do not have a private plan, medicare, or medicaid, MUST be treated at any emergency room of any hospital regardless of ability to pay.

In a situation such as the corona virus, the government may declare that all infected be treated, or monitored, or that however many tested be tested free.

The US has the premiere Center for Disease Control, which is consulted by, and provides in country aid, to countries around the world.

We will deal with it better than most countries, perhaps all countries.,

You don't have to be concerned about us.

Why would people who have no understanding of our system in Britain be asking questions about us?

Quite interesting.

Are they asking about China, where it started and everyone has the same cookie cutter medical aid?

Seems to me that we all should be concerned about their abilities, treatment system, and the failure of their government controlled efforts, that failed.

Wonderful news, that your country can and will handle any pandemics with the very best care for all, regardless.

The thread question was for and about all countries, you know, and I am not interested in neg views about China after seeing a city of 11 million citizens literally shut down, the streets empty, additional hospitals built in days. Amazing.

 

[Iymus]

Gosh! Medical Aid for all?
What Decent and Caring community would want anything like that?

Are you a Christian? I forget.

Unless I can micromanage or ensure people consume required foods for health

and

Unless I can micromanage or ensure people have a decent weekly fitness regime

then I am less likely to support Medical Aid for all.

Is easy to want something until you look at the work and energy required to obtain and maintain it.

Maybe people just want to be sick based off the choices we make. What is the overweight and obese rates in America again?

People want Medical Aid for all yet want to live an unhealthy lifestyle?

Are you a Christian? I forget.

Never really said I am. I am myself and believe in the validity of the Abrahamic Faith.

 

[Lyndon]

its a well known fact that Jesus refused to heal obese people!!

 

[Twilight Hue]

, The flu kills about point 1%, corona virus kills at least 2% of victims, that's 20 times as bad as the flu or worse

Not really. Influenza still has a higher impact and casualty rate than coronavirus, and both are about the same when it comes to lethality.
Tabloids enjoy slinging around the death word a lot these days. Makes for good sales.

John Hopkins institute ....

Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu

The thing people are worried about is that it's a different virus and it is thought that it can linger in the air even after the infected person is gone which is why people are in a panic mode about it.

It's an overhyped epidemic while at the same time its a legitimate concern because of the way it transmits and being a different virus, my guess is that they would need to study it more to put it under control. Nobody likes being attacked on two fronts as it were.

 

[oldbadger]

Unless I can micromanage or ensure people consume required foods for health

and

Unless I can micromanage or ensure people have a decent weekly fitness regime

then I am less likely to support Medical Aid for all.

Is easy to want something until you look at the work and energy required to obtain and maintain it.

Maybe people just want to be sick based off the choices we make. What is the overweight and obese rates in America again?

People want Medical Aid for all yet want to live an unhealthy lifestyle?



Never really said I am. I am myself and believe in the validity of the Abrahamic Faith.

Well that's a No to support for medical aid for all, really. Far too many conditions, I think.

The concept of refusing treatment and care to some, regardless if their wealth or lifestyles just stuns me, is all.

 

[Iymus]

So are you opposed to medical aid for all on the grounds that those with suitable immune systems will naturally survive anyway...?

Am I opposed to the inevitable?

Good question.

If we did not do all we could have done during the seven years of plenty then when the seven years of famine comes along time will tell.

Hopefully as many that may live will live to include myself and yourself.

I view Adequate Housing conditions along with Nutrition & Fitness as more expedient than Medical aid for all.

 

[oldbadger]

It's an overhyped epidemic .......

Let's hope that you are right.

 

[Iymus]

The concept of refusing treatment and care to some, regardless if their wealth or lifestyles just stuns me, is all.

Prioritization stuns you? Well perhaps I can speak for myself that I do not need Medicare so Medicare should not be for all. But if you guys are happy to fit the bill sure

 

[Shad]

Can countries respond to Coronavirus without Medical Aid for All?

Yes. It is called triage. You treat people that are sick and do not treat people that are not sick.

Your news channel has already told you that there are already 8000 cases (yesterday). We are hearing that 40-70% of the World's population could be affected by this sickness.

Close the borders would be a good start.

Fatality rates vary from 5% (Wuhan) to about 2-3% elsewhere.

That's pretty low.

The shops in N. Italy are cleared out daily for emergency supplies.

So?

In the UK it is impossible to purchase hand cleanser from retail stores.

Buy another product like a bar of soap.

Stocks and Shares are mostly crashing apart from the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Of course as government is going to pass the burden on to the corporate system and probably stiff them on the bill.

A gold sovereign has risen in value from about £225 before Christmas last year to £310 today..... the price of gold is one of the best 'crisis' thermometers there is.

Happens when currency is only worth something because of agreement not rarity.

But folks are already asking how countries like the United States could cope with such a pandemic if many millions of its citizens are not provided for with automatic medical aid!

Triage. It is why I am not having a kidney removed right now. I have no issues with my kidneys.

As people become ill or are exposed to the virus they must be quarantined AND looked after.

Being ill is different than having the virus. Being ill could be a common cold. Quarantines are an accept use of government funding to keep the rest of the population. Especially as people's fears are causing them to spread the virus due to their own self-interest.

This issue seems to be obscured by folks calling out about how this could influence politics, but the big question is:-

Are we all preparing for a Communal and United Effort to Save People in such a Pandemic?

Nope and we will never be without tyranny.

 

[sun rise]

Can countries respond to Coronavirus without Medical Aid for All?

No. People without health care and there are millions in the US will avoid going to the doctor or hospital due to costs.

Thats not true, an american with poor insurance had been to China and thought he had the virus, was billed thousands of dollars from the hospital just to show he didn't have anything

Proving my point.

We will deal with it better than most countries, perhaps all countries.,

Because Emperor Trump said so, undoubtedly.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let's hope that you are right.

I think it's lethality is overhyped.

But because it's a relatively unknown and new virus and little is known about it, and the fact that it can linger, is probably where all the precautions are coming from.

It's a reason why I chose to link for John Hopkins instead of a news source, to see what they're saying about it.

 

[sun rise]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

However, it’s important to note that current global circumstances suggest it is likely that this virus will cause a pandemic. In that case, the risk assessment would be different.

What May Happen
More cases are likely to be identified in the coming days, including more cases in the United States. It’s also likely that person-to-person spread will continue to occur, including in the United States. Widespread transmission of COVID-19 in the United States would translate into large numbers of people needing medical care at the same time. Schools, childcare centers, workplaces, and other places for mass gatherings may experience more absenteeism. Public health and healthcare systems may become overloaded, with elevated rates of hospitalizations and deaths. Other critical infrastructure, such as law enforcement, emergency medical services, and transportation industry may also be affected. Health care providers and hospitals may be overwhelmed. At this time, there is no vaccine to protect against COVID-19 and no medications approved to treat it. Nonpharmaceutical interventions would be the most important response strategy.

 

[sun rise]

I think it's lethality is overhyped.

But because it's a relatively unknown and new virus and little is known about it, and the fact that it can linger, is probably where all the precautions are coming from.

It's a reason why I chose to link for John Hopkins instead of a news source, to see what they're saying about it.

Good point about linking to good sources. It's why I'm paying attention and linking to the CDC as well.

 

[Iymus]

Far too many conditions, I think.

People eating healthy and having a good fitness regime which is essentially having a healthy lifestyle is far too many conditions yet medical aid for all is simple or should be expected?

Your comment is what makes it difficult for me to support Medical aid for all because I think it reveals a reality when it comes to us. We want to live whatever lifestyle we want to live and yet expect to be cared for by others. Granted I won't deny I am the same or similar based on how I was raised and my choices, but my conscience questions this.

 

[shmogie]

Wonderful news, that your country can and will handle any pandemics with the very best care for all, regardless.

The thread question was for and about all countries, you know, and I am not interested in neg views about China after seeing a city of 11 million citizens literally shut down, the streets empty, additional hospitals built in days. Amazing.

Well, you did single out America.

Facts are facts, and many more have to be found.

The first Chinese doctor who actually figured out this new virus, long before any populations of any countries knew about it, wrote an article about how the Chinese government was not taking it seriously enough, and how they were not treating it properly, was immediately demoted, and then died, mysteriously to me.

Further, it is very interesting that Wuhan is very close (4 miles I believe) to a large government virus research lab. Coincidence? Like Rick says in Casablanca, "of all the gin joints in all the world, she had to walk into mine".

The Chinese refused to accept aid from the US, to allow doctors who are part of a biological incident response team from the CDC into China. Since the CDC research and response plans are probably the best in the world, they could have helped immensely.

These teams were on the ground with ebola and other outbreaks around the world.

Why,were they denied access, one wonders. What was it that they were afraid might be learned?

A world pandemic has begun, which itself began in China

Why it started, and how the Chinese are dealing with it is critical to the rest of the world. Much can be learned from their initial containment efforts for future events.

They ain't talking, much,