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Can dead people talk to you?
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Green Gaia
Veteran Member
I don't know.... I want to believe him, but I just don't know...
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
They might be, but I can't hear them.Rex_Admin said:
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
I don't know, but I have heard stories that they visit and leave physical messages, like moving something in your home.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
John Edwards is a phony. Has anyone here actually seen his show? Sometimes I watch it just for laughs....
Edwards: "Okay, I'm getting a sister here...has anyone lost a sister? A sister or mother...some kind of girl...it could be a step sister or step mother, or mother in law, or sister in law (the spirits can't tell the difference). Or a grandmother...anyone? Come on, people! I'm getting some kind of loss having to do with a female in this general section of 40 people..."
Audience member: "Well, my grandmother lost a cat..."
Edwards: "Okay was it a dark cat?"
Audience member: "Well, it had stripes.."
Edwards: "Were the stripes dark"
Audience member: "Why yes, they were!"
Edwards: "Yup that's the one, that's what the spirits were telling me."
Edwards: "Okay, I'm getting a sister here...has anyone lost a sister? A sister or mother...some kind of girl...it could be a step sister or step mother, or mother in law, or sister in law (the spirits can't tell the difference). Or a grandmother...anyone? Come on, people! I'm getting some kind of loss having to do with a female in this general section of 40 people..."
Audience member: "Well, my grandmother lost a cat..."
Edwards: "Okay was it a dark cat?"
Audience member: "Well, it had stripes.."
Edwards: "Were the stripes dark"
Audience member: "Why yes, they were!"
Edwards: "Yup that's the one, that's what the spirits were telling me."
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Druidus-- Shouldn't we have at least some evidence if something as extraordinary as talking to the dead were possible?
Lightkeeper
Well-Known Member
We really should call him Mr. Sprinkles, the way he always dampens the subject.Sunstone said:
Some people think they do have evidence of dead people talking. They actually think they have conversed with them. The beauty of it is, we can all choose to believe or not.
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
I agree with Lightkeeper! (You know, if there ever comes a time when I don't agree with Lightkeeper, I'm gonna have to check myself! )We can all choose what we want to believe.
I don't know for certain that people who have passed on do talk to me. I'm fairly sure that I can talk with beings not currently on this plane of existence, but again, I don't know that for sure. If someone wants to believe I can't do it, that's just fine with me. (I just don't enjoy being mocked if they do.) I'm not going to think any less of them as a person, just as I hope they maintain the same opinion of me. (Hopefully, it was good to start out with!)
)We can all choose what we want to believe.I don't know for certain that people who have passed on do talk to me. I'm fairly sure that I can talk with beings not currently on this plane of existence, but again, I don't know that for sure. If someone wants to believe I can't do it, that's just fine with me. (I just don't enjoy being mocked if they do.) I'm not going to think any less of them as a person, just as I hope they maintain the same opinion of me. (Hopefully, it was good to start out with!
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Mr Spinkles
Mr
Can they be rainbow sprinkles?Lightkeeper said:We really should call him Mr. Sprinkles, the way he always dampens the subject.
Whoah, whoah, whoah, here. People, the subject of this thread is "Can dead people talk to you?" not "Can you beleive that dead people can talk to you?". We can beleive whatever we want--that much is clear. But whether the dead really can talk to people is an entirely different matter. Without fantastic evidence for such a fantastic claim, I don't see what would lead one to believe that skeletons can talk.
Do I judge people who do beleive dead people can talk to them? Of course not, I'm only analyzing the views themselves, not the people who hold them. And I would hope that I would not be judged for my views on this subject either.
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
I would say that the dead do not talk to us. How selfish are we to think that they would. There are many spirits, but seldom who talk to us. It is normal for humans to believe themselves special. But in actuality, the spirits go about thier business and we are able to notice them, and understand their ways. But not "talk" to them. I would say that if john edwards had any gift, he sold out completely and is no longer worthy of it.
Druidus
Keeper of the Grove
Many Druids speak of the Otherworld, and conversing with people there. To us, those people (including non-humans and plants) are dead from this world. To them, we are the dead from their world. If they were to talk to us, they would think they are contacting the dead.
Not so many modern "real" Druids say they have, because the methods of contact were lost. I do not call them spirits. They are as physical as you or me. Just in a different world. Think of our universe a "multiverse" and every other universe as well. They all have a "normal" world, and an "Otherworld", entwined together.
You must remember, however, that I do not believe in it 100%. I only believe in a possibility of it, as well as the belief in it, due to religious reasons.
I don't judge you for your opinions, neither do I wish for anyone to judge me for the same.
Not so many modern "real" Druids say they have, because the methods of contact were lost. I do not call them spirits. They are as physical as you or me. Just in a different world. Think of our universe a "multiverse" and every other universe as well. They all have a "normal" world, and an "Otherworld", entwined together.
You must remember, however, that I do not believe in it 100%. I only believe in a possibility of it, as well as the belief in it, due to religious reasons.
I don't judge you for your opinions, neither do I wish for anyone to judge me for the same.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Druidis-- I understand that that is the Druid belief. That's great, but I still haven't seen any evidence. If there's no evidence, I would submit that these Druid conceptions of other worlds etc. should not be taken seriously as accurate models of reality any more than Greek mythology or the Book of Genesis (not that there isn't any value in mythology, of course).
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
The evidence is in experience. But experiential evidence cannot be weighed or measured. It can only be experienced.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Master Vigil-- But we can weigh and measure experiential evidence. To see how, visit my thread in the Science vs. Religion forum called "The Tasteless Man". In that thread, we use only the experiences of people with taste to prove conclusively to a person without taste that taste exists. No experience necessary.
If talking to the dead exists, there should be all kinds of ways we could get evidence. For example, I could ask psychic (1) to talk to dead person (A), and ask dead person (A) what was his lucky number in this life. Then I talk to another psychic person, psychic (2), and ask him/her to talk to dead person (A) again, and ask him again what his lucky number was in this life. If both psychic (1) and psychic (2) tell me that dead person (A)'s lucky number was 11, we have some evidence. If we carry out this experiment a hundred times, we will eventually have pretty conclusive evidence.
See how easy that was? It took me 2 minutes to write down my proposal for an experiment that could provide evidence for people talking to the dead (there are probably a lot more ways we could test it). Isn't science neat?
If talking to the dead exists, there should be all kinds of ways we could get evidence. For example, I could ask psychic (1) to talk to dead person (A), and ask dead person (A) what was his lucky number in this life. Then I talk to another psychic person, psychic (2), and ask him/her to talk to dead person (A) again, and ask him again what his lucky number was in this life. If both psychic (1) and psychic (2) tell me that dead person (A)'s lucky number was 11, we have some evidence. If we carry out this experiment a hundred times, we will eventually have pretty conclusive evidence.
See how easy that was? It took me 2 minutes to write down my proposal for an experiment that could provide evidence for people talking to the dead (there are probably a lot more ways we could test it). Isn't science neat?
To me, the question is exceedingly simple. Dead beings are dead. Period. So there is nothing left that could speak to me.
Mr_Spinkles,
That's an interesting experiment you sketched. I think there must be some safeguards added. Let's say we take a survey of people's "lucky numbers" (a ridiculous concept to me), and that a certain number, say seven, outranks all others. Then, if both psychics guess seven, that might mean just that both of them have read the survey.
I would love to see an outcome when both agree, and a third party knows that the dead person abolutely denied the existence of "lucky numbers". (That may be another variety of the test, though.)
On psychics generally, I was once pestered by a former fiancée into visiting a rather well-known psychic of her acquaintance. This person was supposed to communicate with the archangel Michael (would he qualify as a dead person?). Her predictions (and we were slightly acquainted, so she couldn't have been unaware of my scepticism) were so ridiculous (and standardized!) that it looked like she had studied me for years and foretold the opposite of what she had found.
One example: she told me that I should use my talents for something creative connected with form. I suppose that the majority of psychic-seekers want to be artists. Well, I have no 3-D vision, so this angelic prophesy is ruled out for medical reasons. Etc.
Mr_Spinkles,
That's an interesting experiment you sketched. I think there must be some safeguards added. Let's say we take a survey of people's "lucky numbers" (a ridiculous concept to me), and that a certain number, say seven, outranks all others. Then, if both psychics guess seven, that might mean just that both of them have read the survey.
I would love to see an outcome when both agree, and a third party knows that the dead person abolutely denied the existence of "lucky numbers". (That may be another variety of the test, though.)
On psychics generally, I was once pestered by a former fiancée into visiting a rather well-known psychic of her acquaintance. This person was supposed to communicate with the archangel Michael (would he qualify as a dead person?). Her predictions (and we were slightly acquainted, so she couldn't have been unaware of my scepticism) were so ridiculous (and standardized!) that it looked like she had studied me for years and foretold the opposite of what she had found.
One example: she told me that I should use my talents for something creative connected with form. I suppose that the majority of psychic-seekers want to be artists. Well, I have no 3-D vision, so this angelic prophesy is ruled out for medical reasons. Etc.