Can deities reproduce?

[YoursTrue]

Happens in Hinduism, but not with every God.

Gods needed a victorious general for their army and it was possible only when Lord Shiva and Mother Parvati mate, because such was the boon granted to the demon, Tarakasura, that he could be killed only by a son of Shiva. Tarakasura thought that Shiva would never have a son. But Shiva was meditating. So Gods sent Cupid (Kamadeva) to awaken sexual desire in Shiva. Shiva's meditation was broken, he was very angry, he decimated Cupid. But the purpose of Gods was done. In time, Kartikeya / Murugan was born and when he grew up, he commanded the army of Gods and defeated the demon.

Avataras have children in the normal human way. They are in the human garb, so no problem there. Lord Rama's sons were Lava and Kush. Krishna had 80 sons, ten to each of his eight wives. Lord Buddha's son was Rāhula.

Ok so in hinduism the female gods get pregnant? Sorry to say I don't know that much about Hinduism, we learn in school mostly about western culture, like crowning kings and queens of Europe, etc.

 

[YoursTrue]

Happens in Hinduism, but not with every God.

Gods needed a victorious general for their army and it was possible only when Lord Shiva and Mother Parvati mate, because such was the boon granted to the demon, Tarakasura, that he could be killed only by a son of Shiva. Tarakasura thought that Shiva would never have a son. But Shiva was meditating. So Gods sent Cupid (Kamadeva) to awaken sexual desire in Shiva. Shiva's meditation was broken, he was very angry, he decimated Cupid. But the purpose of Gods was done. In time, Kartikeya / Murugan was born and when he grew up, he commanded the army of Gods and defeated the demon.

Avataras have children in the normal human way. They are in the human garb, so no problem there. Lord Rama's sons were Lava and Kush. Krishna had 80 sons, ten to each of his eight wives. Lord Buddha's son was Rāhula.

This sounds a little disturbing.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Ok so in hinduism the female gods get pregnant? Sorry to say I don't know that much about Hinduism, we learn in school mostly about western culture, like crowning kings and queens of Europe, etc.

When Lord Vishnu takes avataras, Mother Laxmi also makes an appearance in human form. For example, as Hindus believe, Mother Sita was none other than Mother Laqxmi and had come in human form to be with her Lord. And the avataras do what humans do, of course, their prowess is infinite. They are here only for instruction or for saving humans or lesser Gods from evil persons. It is the worldly play, "leela" as Hindus term it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

This sounds a little disturbing.

Why should it be disturbing, unless it is because of your culture considers sex to be sin. In Hinduism, sex is a essential part of life for procreation and enjoyment, one of the four things that humans should do - Artha, Kama, Dharma, Moksha (Four 'Purusharthas' - Earn, Enjoy sex, Fulfill your worldly duties and engage in righteous action, and finally Dissociate with the world and seek God).

Mother Sita gets to see Lord Rama in her father's garden for the first time, Lord Krishna and Mother Radha

 

[YoursTrue]

Why should it be disturbing, unless it is because of your culture considers sex to be sin. In Hinduism, sex is a essential part of life for procreation and enjoyment, one of the four things that humans should do - Artha, Kama, Dharma, Moksha (Four 'Purusharthas' - Earn, Enjoy sex, Fulfill your worldly duties and engage in righteous action, and finally Dissociate with the world and seek God).

Mother Sita gets to see Lord Rama in her father's garden for the first time, Lord Krishna and Mother Radha

Like I say, it sounds a bit disturbing. And yes, many people are taught these things as facts. Because it's like a fairytale of a sort. Has anyone (human) actually seen these so-called deities getting married, having sex before or after marriage?

 

[YoursTrue]

Why should it be disturbing, unless it is because of your culture considers sex to be sin. In Hinduism, sex is a essential part of life for procreation and enjoyment, one of the four things that humans should do - Artha, Kama, Dharma, Moksha (Four 'Purusharthas' - Earn, Enjoy sex, Fulfill your worldly duties and engage in righteous action, and finally Dissociate with the world and seek God).

Mother Sita gets to see Lord Rama in her father's garden for the first time, Lord Krishna and Mother Radha

Besides, you're an atheist aren't you? Maybe you're not. I guess you're a Hindu atheist, from your description of yourself if I understand your description correctly. .

 

[Aupmanyav]

Besides, you're an atheist aren't you? Maybe you're not. I guess you're a Hindu atheist, from your description of yourself if I understand your description correctly. .

You have understood correctly. I am a Hindu and a strong atheist, i.e., I do not even believe that there is a possibility of existence of any God. I am believer in non-duality (Advaita).

Like I say, it sounds a bit disturbing. And yes, many people are taught these things as facts. Because it's like a fairytale of a sort. Has anyone (human) actually seen these so-called deities getting married, having sex before or after marriage?

Yeah, I believe the scriptures are fairy tales, your's and mine and any other's. Sex before marriage may happen but it is never appreciated in our culture. There are many stories about problems created by sex before marriage.

Take the case of a mythological Emperor of India - Bharata, after whom this country is known as Bharat. His mother, Shakuntala had sex before marriage with King Dushyanta. Due to a curse Dushyant forgot their union and did not accept Shakuntala as his wife when she came to him. Shakuntala had to return and stay in the hermitage of Sage Kanva, who had raised her for many years.
Bharata (Mahabharata) - Wikipedia

 

[YoursTrue]

You have understood correctly. I am a Hindu and a strong atheist, i.e., I do not even believe that there is a possibility of existence of any God. I am believer in non-duality (Advaita).
Yeah, I believe the scriptures are fairy tales, your's and mine and any other's. Sex before marriage may happen but it is never appreciated in our culture. There are many stories about problems created by sex before marriage.

Take the case of a mythological Emperor of India - Bharata, after whom this country is known as Bharat. His mother, Shakuntala had sex before marriage with King Dushyanta. Due to a curse Dushyant forgot their union and did not accept Shakuntala as his wife when she came to him. Shakuntala had to return and stay in the hermitage of Sage Kanva, who had raised her for many years.
Bharata (Mahabharata) - Wikipedia

OK, so, uh -- nobody saw any of these gods (as in the images you presented) really get married, and so forth. OK. Having been raised in a 'western' culture (the U.S.), my close enough relatives coming from Europe as well with their "western" kings and queens, I had not met a Hindu until I was well into my adult years. Two good friends of mine (who changed their religion, by the way) were Hindus and raised as such. One told me she would leave food for I guess her favored deity. I'll have to ask her about that. She stopped, of course, when she began to realize the Bible was a reliable guide.
Now, one of the reasons I believe in God a Creator, is that I simply cannot believe that life as we know it (i.e., the human and other living bodies) came about without help from God. There are other reasons, but every time I look at a book of physiology I am convinced absolutely that only God could be responsible for the making of these things. Skin covering the organs, blood vessels, blood, hair, and so forth. (Genesis chapter 1.) And it also makes sense to me that we are descendants, not of perfection, but rather that we inherited imperfect genes and characteristics from our first parents due to their sin. And one day mankind will be brought to a state of perfection again. (Revelation chapter 21)
Oh, and take the case of Louis the XIV of France. He was called the Sun King, partially I guess because he thought his subjects revolved around him.

 

[Aupmanyav]

-- nobody saw any of these gods (as in the images you presented) really get married, and so forth.

That is not correct.
Marriages in India are huge affairs. All Gods and Goddesses will be present, though may not be seen by ordinary people. The relatives of the bridegroom and bride will be there. All important officials of the two states will be there. Since I am talking about marriage of Lord Rama and Mother Sita. Ayodhya (Rama's kingdom) and Mithila (the kingdom of Mother Sita's father) were large kingdoms. All those kingdoms whose rulers had marital relations with the two houses, would be there. All those who were in good relation with the two kingdoms would have been there. Just think about a marriage in the British Royal family or the Japanese prince. Then all the sages would be invited. These festivities last beyond the five day marriage and the father of the bride (King Janaka in this case) insisted for the Ayodhya Royal house to stay for as long as they could. Another interesting factor is that three sisters (couins) of Mother Sita were married to the three princes of the Ayodhya family. I give below an image of a marriage of a former ruler of a native state in India, no body can afford to miss (because many of them will be interested in future marriages of their sons and daughters). Marriages are occasions when such relations can be established.

Google Image Result for https://alsisarhotelsrajasthan.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/copy-of-img_9600.jpg etc.

The former Jodhpur king right in the middle of the photograph. Flanking him are the former kings of Nepal and Udaipur.
I think another in a black coat with red turban is the former Jaipur king.

Because of the turbans, I recognize that this is a marriage of an Udaipur prince.

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. when she began to realize the Bible was a reliable guide.
I simply cannot believe that life as we know it (i.e., the human and other living bodies) came about without help from God.
.. but rather that we inherited imperfect genes and characteristics from our first parents due to their sin.
Oh, and take the case of Louis the XIV of France. He was called the Sun King, partially I guess because he thought his subjects revolved around him.

I have not heard people say that many times. Reliable guide for what, if I may ask?
Do you mean to say that you have not studied in a school or collage, know nothing about science?
Have you read that the Y-chromosomal Adam (200,000 to 300,000 years ago) and the Mitochondrial Eve (150,000 years ago) may have lived thousands of years apart.
But no. Since you have not read anything other than Bible, you may be totally unaware of that.
Yeah, I do not expect any thing wiser from the unlettered peasants of France in the 15th Century.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is not correct.
Marriages in India are huge affairs. All Gods and Goddesses will be present, though may not be seen by ordinary people. The relatives of the bridegroom and bride will be there. All important officials of the two states will be there. Since I am talking about marriage of Lord Rama and Mother Sita. Ayodhya (Rama's kingdom) and Mithila (the kingdom of Mother Sita's father) were large kingdoms. All those kingdoms whose rulers had marital relations with the two houses, would be there. All those who were in good relation with the two kingdoms would have been there. Just think about a marriage in the British Royal family or the Japanese prince. Then all the sages would be invited. These festivities last beyond the five day marriage and the father of the bride (King Janaka in this case) insisted for the Ayodhya Royal house to stay for as long as they could. Another interesting factor is that three sisters (couins) of Mother Sita were married to the three princes of the Ayodhya family. I give below an image of a marriage of a former ruler of a native state in India, no body can afford to miss (because many of them will be interested in future marriages of their sons and daughters). Marriages are occasions when such relations can be established.

Google Image Result for https://alsisarhotelsrajasthan.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/copy-of-img_9600.jpg etc.

The former Jodhpur king right in the middle of the photograph. Flanking him are the former kings of Nepal and Udaipur.
I think another in a black coat with red turban is the former Jaipur king.

Because of the turbans, I recognize that this is a marriage of an Udaipur prince.

[QUOTE="Aupmanyav, post: 6900168,

I gotta be honest. I truly am not that conversant with Hinduism. But you're seemingly telling me that gods and goddesses are--human? I shall look into it somewhat when I have more 'time.' But I would agree that when taught and trained by circumstances in a particular way of life, it enters the mind of consciousness as well as thought process and relevancy. To me, it's almost like growing up with Santa Claus. Children can't really fathom it, but the fantasy goes on.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have not heard people say that many times. Reliable guide for what, if I may ask?
Do you mean to say that you have not studied in a school or collage, know nothing about science?
Have you read that the Y-chromosomal Adam (200,000 to 300,000 years ago) and the Mitochondrial Eve (150,000 years ago) may have lived thousands of years apart.
But no. Since you have not read anything other than Bible, you may be totally unaware of that.
Yeah, I do not expect any thing wiser from the unlettered peasants of France in the 15th Century.

Chromosomes and their likenesses do not prove there is no God.

 

[Aupmanyav]

But you're seemingly telling me that gods and goddesses are -- human?

Yeah, Avataras are supposed to be completely human, though they do not loose their Godly powers or understanding.However, I am an atheist.

Chromosomes and their likenesses do not prove there is no God.

Life-building molecules in space, evidence of evolution from fungii to Humans does prove that biology can do without any God. So does Cosmogony too.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah, Avataras are supposed to be completely human, though they do not loose their Godly powers or understanding.However, I am an atheist.Life-building molecules in space, evidence of evolution from fungii to Humans does prove that biology can do without any God. So does Cosmogony too.

Life on the earth is different from life in space. I don't buy the thought that there is intelligent life on another orb, maybe some atoms or chemicals said to be alive in a sense, not much, but I do believe there is God, Jesus, angels and demons, all intelligent beings. Today the sky was so beautiful. I do not agree that we evolved to think the sky is beautiful. I also do not believe God created the atomic bomb. He let it happen.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah, Avataras are supposed to be completely human, though they do not loose their Godly powers or understanding.

I can't imagine, but I guess many can.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, yeah, our views are different. Life on earth can certainly be different from what may be found elsewhere. After all, we have this great variety even on earth, an new species have not stopped evolving. We may never know what is there is other places because life may have not yet evolved / may already have died out there; we / they may not have the technology to communicate; and we are at a huge, huge, huge distance from them and there is no indication that we may be able to do so in future. We are, so to say, stranded on this blue planet.

The blue sky is not important. What is important that there does not seem to be a possibility of a storm, heavy rain, and there is sun where it is cold. We love the blue sky for these existential reasons. As for your God, Jesus, angels and demons, I do not believe in any of these.

I can't imagine, but I guess many can.

Yes, if you can imagine a ghost breathing into a virgin and impregnating her, then we can also imagine absolutely human avataras. It takes nothing to imagine.

 

[YoursTrue]

Well, yeah, our views are different. Life on earth can certainly be different from what may be found elsewhere. After all, we have this great variety even on earth, an new species have not stopped evolving. We may never know what is there is other places because life may have not yet evolved / may already have died out there; we / they may not have the technology to communicate; and we are at a huge, huge, huge distance from them and there is no indication that we may be able to do so in future. We are, so to say, stranded on this blue planet.

The blue sky is not important. What is important that there does not seem to be a possibility of a storm, heavy rain, and there is sun where it is cold. We love the blue sky for these existential reasons. As for your God, Jesus, angels and demons, I do not believe in any of these.Yes, if you can imagine a ghost breathing into a virgin and impregnating her, then we can also imagine absolutely human avataras. It takes nothing to imagine.

A ghost was how the word ruach, or pneuma (energy, similar to electrical current, or wind) had been translated in the past. And the 'holy spirit,' or what was called holy ghost as in the "third person of the trinity" is certainly not the way it should be understood. Because just as our bodies move by energy, spirit, or sometimes force, God's spirit is like that. But it is not a person, or as some take it, the third person of some triune god(head). That is all distorted by religious entities leading their people to the wrong side of the tracks.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is all distorted by religious entities leading their people to the wrong side of the tracks.

Acceptance of existence of God / Allah is the first distortion, and the greater distortion is the belief that this imaginary entity regularly sends prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis with messages.

 

[YoursTrue]

Acceptance of existence of God / Allah is the first distortion, and the greater distortion is the belief that this imaginary entity regularly sends prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis with messages.

It depends on how you look at it. Meaning which prophets do you believe? Getting back to a basic thought, many of us, unlike the animals, who enjoy the various factors of life (music, nature, sometimes people...even, I daresay, science) are loathe to give up life, contemplating in many cases, death as not a particularly welcome factor, When a person gets sick let's say, he often goes to a hospital for treatment, obviously in the hopes he will get well. Animals, for instance, can't set bones, do operations, or prescribe medications. These things tell me that there is a greater perspective in humans and I strongly doubt to the point of disbelief, that this type of consciousness came about by evolution. Thus again, the evidence for God is very strong. It is good to consider these things as far as I am concerned.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hinduism has no prophets, no messengers. All living beings have consciousness even trees.