Can Jewish law be fulfilled?

[Harmonious]

Actually I would consider it a great honor to be both Christian and Jewish and probably was at least Jewish in a previous life,

No, you wouldn't. You would feel horribly burdened. You've made that abundantly clear.

Also, you are of the mind that "there is no difference between a Jew and a Gentile." So, what value is being a Jew to you?

It has no purpose, as you have stated. You get nothing out of the special covenant that God made with the Jews, involving a lot of various and sundry commandments that direct all aspects of life, ensuring that (when we do what we are supposed to) that our lives are lived in holiness.

You've made it clear you want no part in that.

a follower of Jesus, just another face in the crowd but not a Christian at that time as far as my spirit can remember.

Whatever.

That is a good place to start because thinking and attitude have a lot to do with actions.

No, not really. Good intentions are well and good, but you can also be self-deceived. (It's one of the countless Christian arguments that has been thrown at me over the years.)

Action has a lot to do with thinking and attitude. You can trust an action. Even if a good action is done for the wrong reason, good has still been done.

 

[astarath]

Indeed I think that is a falsehood within Christianity. The deeds happen but are not a requirement of anything regarding the faith. The faith is the requirement a belief in salvation through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. The freedom from sin should be life altering and a new lifestyle with altered deeds should be the result. The deeds however are a biproduct not the salvation itself.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Action has a lot to do with thinking and attitude. You can trust an action. Even if a good action is done for the wrong reason, good has still been done.

I think that I've figured it out.

You're a mom with relatively young children. That has to be it.

 

[smokydot]

You're not using their wording!

Until you show where I am not, this is a baseless assertion.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Until you show where I am not, this is a baseless assertion.

hmmmm, what Greek word did you throw in. ...

EDIT: So I show you. Surely you would have known that you added -lous to the NIV's "angel," making it a mis-mash of Greek and English. It's no longer a translation but a half-baked insult.

"Even if we or an angellous from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (Anathema!)"
--Gal 1:8--

Selah.

And here is the NIV version:

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

 

[Harmonious]

Indeed I think that is a falsehood within Christianity. The deeds happen but are not a requirement of anything regarding the faith. The faith is the requirement a belief in salvation through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. The freedom from sin should be life altering and a new lifestyle with altered deeds should be the result. The deeds however are a biproduct not the salvation itself.

Okay...

But what merit is being life altering, if you don't have a standard to follow of what you should be doing?

 

[Harmonious]

I think that I've figured it out.

You're a mom with relatively young children. That has to be it.

I wish I was. But I'm not.

 

[astarath]

Okay...

But what merit is being life altering, if you don't have a standard to follow of what you should be doing?

We are given a standard. Be Christ-like. Walk by faith in the Spirit of God and exhibit the fruits of the Spirit.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I wish I was. But I'm not.

Doh. I thought I had it. You definately have the patience for it.

 

[smokydot]

I agree in principle, but we need to remember that the NIV uses a bastardized text. It may seem like a bad translation when compared to the ESV or NASB, but both of these translations use a normative text - the NA 27 (if I recall correctly).
So if you read Greek and use the NA 27 or the current USB edition and compare that with the NIV, it's going to be almost as bad as comparing it to the KJV. All three use different Greek texts.
I remember for years I was reading the Greek and wondering how in the heck the NIV could be so bad. Then an NIV text was published - or I got my hands on it - and suddenly I saw reason behind the madness.

The NIV uses the Nestle text.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The NIV uses the Nestle text.

:thud:

 

[Harmonious]

We are given a standard. Be Christ-like.

But what does it MEAN to be Christ-like?

Walk by faith in the Spirit of God and exhibit the fruits of the Spirit.

People have done terrible things in the name of the Spirit of God. That doesn't really work.

If you want to think about "What Would Jesus Do" as a guide to be Christ-like, I would suggest that he would live according to Torah law. (He didn't do it with a great success rate, but that IS the guide he used. Or at least, that is what he said, when he said he "came to fulfill the law," I would think.)

 

[Harmonious]

Doh. I thought I had it. You definately have the patience for it.

I look forward to such. (Now, I just need to meet the right guy, and then we have to get married...)

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I look forward to such. (Now, I just need to meet the right guy, and then we have to get married...)

Thank you for your kind words.

:takeabow:

 

[smokydot]

hmmmm, what Greek word did you throw in. ...

EDIT: So I show you. Surely you would have known that you added -lous to the NIV's "angel," making it a mis-mash of Greek and English. It's no longer a translation but a half-baked insult.

Surely you would have noticed that angellous was italicized, the only word there that was, indicating it was another language, which translates into angel.

You're reaching for straws, man. . .got anything of substance?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The NIV uses the Nestle text.

Obviously.

But it uses other texts at whim without notifying the reader. Variant readings are chosen without the reader aware of precisely what they are doing. It looks like they're playing spin the bottle in the dark.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Surely you would have noticed that angellous was italicized, the only word there that was, indicating it was another language, which translates into angel.

You're reaching for straws, man. . .got anything of substance?

O

my

god

 

[smokydot]

I think that I've figured it out.
You're a mom with relatively young children. That has to be it.

You haven't been keeping up. . .

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Surely you would have noticed that angellous was italicized, the only word there that was, indicating it was another language, which translates into angel.

You're reaching for straws, man. . .got anything of substance?

So it it DIFFERENT than the NIV or THE SAME.

Is it English or Greek? Can you read Greek? Do you know what happens when you rape it in order to insult someone?

You're not treating the Bible as the written word of God, man. Flippantly changing stuff around.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You haven't been keeping up. . .

:biglaugh: