• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Can Jewish law be fulfilled?

astarath

astarath

Well-Known Member
Harmonious said:
But what does it MEAN to be Christ-like?


People have done terrible things in the name of the Spirit of God. That doesn't really work.

If you want to think about "What Would Jesus Do" as a guide to be Christ-like, I would suggest that he would live according to Torah law. (He didn't do it with a great success rate, but that IS the guide he used. Or at least, that is what he said, when he said he "came to fulfill the law," I would think.)
Click to expand...

Because people have done terrible things in the name of God does not make them true to the Spirit. The fruits of the Spirit are clearly outlined and while people may try to attribute their actions to those they most clearly are not. To be Christ-like is to live according to the Spirit.

Here are the fruits of the Spirit:But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness,self-control;against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

There isn't a single event done in the Spirit of Christ by these fruits as a standard that has resulted in terrible things.
 
S

smokydot

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
Obviously.
But it uses other texts at whim without notifying the reader. Variant readings are chosen without the reader aware of precisely what they are doing. It looks like they're playing spin the bottle in the dark.
Click to expand...
Working both sides of the street again. . .these are the translators whose excellence you acknowledged

(at a time when you thought it would enhance your reputation), here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2277276-post680.html.

Now that you know they are in major disagreement with you on a major Christian issue: Scripture is the Word of God written, they've kinda' lost some of their shine. . .
 
astarath

astarath

Well-Known Member
I often jump back and forth between the greek and NASB and find it so simple whereas the same is difficult with NIV and near impossible with KJV
 
A

angellous_evangellous

Guest
astarath said:
I often jump back and forth between the greek and NASB and find it so simple whereas the same is difficult with NIV and near impossible with KJV
Click to expand...

Oh cool. You've got to read the Textus Receptus for the KJV to make sense. I never look at it while working with Greek, and certainly not the NIV. BUT occasionally, the KJV beautifully captures the sense of the Greek.

The ESV is my poison.
 
A

angellous_evangellous

Guest
smokydot said:
Working both sides of the street again. . .these are the translators whose excellence you acknowledged

(at a time when you thought it would enhance your reputation), here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2277276-post680.html.

Now that you know they are in major disagreement with you on a major Christian issue: Scripture is the Word of God written, they've kinda' lost some of their shine. . .
Click to expand...

I did not acknowledge their infalliability or omnipotence.

Besides, I was just saying that sometimes what they translated didn't make sense to me, and it made more sense once I had their text.:shrug:
 
H

Harmonious

Well-Known Member
astarath said:
Because people have done terrible things in the name of God does not make them true to the Spirit.
Click to expand...
Perhaps.

The fruits of the Spirit are clearly outlined and while people may try to attribute their actions to those they most clearly are not. To be Christ-like is to live according to the Spirit.

Here are the fruits of the Spirit:But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness,self-control;against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Click to expand...
But how do you know?

I've seen and heard of people mortifying others, particularly orphans and widows, in the name of "teaching them faithfulness."

If they paid attention to Torah law, there are dozens of laws about how to go about helping orphans and widows, and not embarrassing them.

But such mortification was "all in the Spirit of Christ." (You might believe otherwise, but that's what these people were thinking.)

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the point of many Victorian novel authors were social commentators. Besides telling good stories, they were explaining many of the social injustices that were done "in the name of kindness, goodness, and faithfulness", to make sure that the poor and disenfranchised were "made to be humble in spirit", but their "benefactors" had no such compunctions.

The novels had people who were fictitious in name, but were common as examples of what was going on in the history of the time. And the way they were treated was indeed considered "in the Spirit of God."

It's obvious to us that they were arrogant and self-serving people, but they didn't see themselves as such.

I'll ask again: how do you know?

According to Torah law, there are all kinds of laws about treating people. How to speak to people. How to GIVE charity and not make the recipients feel bad about it. How to make sure the poor and the disenfranchised are treated well.

In your heart and mind (and what SHOULD be common sense), such things are obvious.

But it really isn't.

There isn't a single event done in the Spirit of Christ by these fruits as a standard that has resulted in terrible things.
Click to expand...
That's not true, strictly speaking.
 
astarath

astarath

Well-Known Member
Harmonious said:
Perhaps.

But how do you know?

I've seen and heard of people mortifying others, particularly orphans and widows, in the name of "teaching them faithfulness."

If they paid attention to Torah law, there are dozens of laws about how to go about helping orphans and widows, and not embarrassing them.

But such mortification was "all in the Spirit of Christ." (You might believe otherwise, but that's what these people were thinking.)

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the point of many Victorian novel authors were social commentators. Besides telling good stories, they were explaining many of the social injustices that were done "in the name of kindness, goodness, and faithfulness", to make sure that the poor and disenfranchised were "made to be humble in spirit", but their "benefactors" had no such compunctions.

The novels had people who were fictitious in name, but were common as examples of what was going on in the history of the time. And the way they were treated was indeed considered "in the Spirit of God."

It's obvious to us that they were arrogant and self-serving people, but they didn't see themselves as such.

I'll ask again: how do you know?

According to Torah law, there are all kinds of laws about treating people. How to speak to people. How to GIVE charity and not make the recipients feel bad about it. How to make sure the poor and the disenfranchised are treated well.

In your heart and mind (and what SHOULD be common sense), such things are obvious.

But it really isn't.

That's not true, strictly speaking.
Click to expand...


We know by the Word. Our scripture is as important to us as yours to you. The fruits of the spirit is a direct quote from Galatians. Just because evil is done in the name of Christ does not make it Christian. We know because of the personal relationship we have with Christ. I would say loosely speaking it isn't true because men with loose conviction not in the faith have used buzz words to support their cause. Strictly speaking it is true. Strictly if being Christian is about walking in the faith of salvation through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and living a life with the Spirit within that displays the fruit of the Spirit, then strictly no action of evil can come from it.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top