1. Agreed. There was never a time that humanity did not exist. I understand that’s what it means not you and I individually but humanity or man. There was never a time that man did not exist. I think you are reading this passage too literally. It is simply stressing to me that humanity always existed and always will and we are told the same by Baha’u’llah that even if we didn’t exist on earth we did exist somewhere else.
2. Very simple. We take on other garments or bodies but spiritual ones in spiritual worlds not this one again.so after death I understand we take in another form not another earthly body. That passage says bodies. The Baha’i teachings says that we take on a heavenly body. Which is not contradicting the Gita at all. Bodies can mean spiritual bodies or material bodies composed of elements of another world.
3. Krishna is speaking of eternal life that we are not annhilated and obliterated after deth but live on eternally.
4. Again the spirit or soul does not cease to exist when the body dies but lives on forever
5. Those who are detached from desire and self live in the spiritual realm in other words they are reborn spiritually and are free from attachment to this world and the suffering it causes.
I truly sincerely see no case whatsoever for reincarnation from the Gita except it is a misinterpretation for it quite easily can be explained differently without contradiction to mean the world hints I stated and not reincarnation.
I think in the Gita’s case that reincarnation is in the eyes of the beholder. I clearly see that there is no indication whatsoever of reincarnation from these verses as they can easily be interpreted to mean very logical and rationally acceptable truths other than reincarnation which the Bahai teachings fully support.
So in baha'i theology, God does not create human souls? Because the quoted Gita verses clearly says that the souls are beginningless and endless.
And saying that "
neither I nor you have never not existed, nor will you or I ever cease to exist" does not, in any way whatsoever be taken to mean that somehow the human community has always existed.
Further consider Chapter 4 verse 5. Where He clearly says that both Arjuna and Himself have been reincarnated many times.
The Blessed Lord spoke:
Many of My births have passed away,
And also yours, Arjuna.
I know them all; You do not know them, Arjuna.
Although I am birthless and My nature is imperishable,
Although
I am the Lord of all beings,
Yet, by controlling My own material nature,
I come into being by My own power.
For the protection of the good
And the destruction of evil doers,
For the sake of establishing righteousness,
I am born in every age.
Further consider Chapter 6, verse 40 Krishna talks about what happens to virtuous souls that do not attain perfection in one lifetime,
The Blessed Lord spoke:
Arjuna, neither here on earth nor in heaven above
Is there found to be destruction of him' ,
No one who does good goes to misfortune, My Son.
Attaining the worlds of the meritorious,
Having dwelt there for endless years,
He who has fallen from yoga
is born again
In the dwelling of the radiant and the illustrious.
Or he
may be born in the family
Of wise meditators;
Such a birth as this is very difficult
To attain in the world.
There he regains the knowledge
Derived from a former body,
And he strives onward once more
Toward perfection, Arjuna.
How would you explain so many reference to rebirth in almost all chapters?
