Can Non-Abrahamics and Abrahamics be from same God?

[sayak83]

We believe when we die we take on another body but a spiritual not material body in another world.

I believe when the Gita says we return it means to a condition not the physical earth as it is a spiritual book describing the soul and the fall and rise of spiritual,progress.

The only thing we believe dies return are the qualities not the individuality of the person. So the flowers of last spring return again this year but by that we do not mean the exact same flowers return but the qualities such as the colour, shape and fragrance return.

So I see today the return of past generations who deny the Manifestation of God. Not the same individuals but the same kind of people..

A return is indeed referred to in the Holy Scriptures, but by this is meant the return of the qualities, conditions, effects, perfections, and inner realities of the lights which recur in every dispensation. The reference is not to specific, individual souls and identities.
It may be said, for instance, that this lamplight is last night’s come back again, or that last year’s rose hath returned to the garden this year. Here the reference is not to the individual reality, the fixed identity, the specialized being of that other rose, rather doth it mean that the qualities, the distinctive characteristics of that other light, that other flower, are present now, in these. Those perfections, that is, those graces and gifts of a former springtime are back again this year. We say, for example, that this fruit is the same as last year’s; but we are thinking only of the delicacy, bloom and freshness, and the sweet taste of it; for it is obvious that that impregnable centre of reality, that specific identity, can never return.

The Bahai religion is free to adhere to its own theology on this matter. But it should be amply clear from the quoted verses that none of what you stated above have much support from the Gita. I will let the readers judge for themselves.

 

[sayak83]

Yes each animal also dispalys one or many attributes of God.

The Bible tells us the difference.;

Genesis 1:26"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

We get to choose the virtues and put them into practice.

Regards Tony

I disagree with the Bible there, along with most Hindus, Jains and Buddhists.

 

[syo]

Can they be from the same God,

God is the source of All religions. The religions have a little differences, here and there. So? We are all the same.

 

[loverofhumanity]

the universal house of BS calls your claim of kalki avatar as laughable bs and the certificate will be sent shortly... who gave them the authority to assign a RANK to those who gave up their children in trying to fend of your land lusty politically motivated religion users to invade others and tell them whos who and whats what. we are not dimi's ...our quest for a peaceful life shouldn't be taken as a weakness.

we will issue certificates not you.

I have no idea what you’re meaning..

 

[loverofhumanity]

The Bahai religion is free to adhere to its own theology on this matter. But it should be amply clear from the quoted verses that none of what you stated above have much support from the Gita. I will let the readers judge for themselves.

We just understand it differently that’s all.

 

[RoaringSilence]

I have no idea what you’re meaning..

what im saying is that your house of justice has no jurisdiction on this matter, and even if the supreme court of Kazakhstan says that baha ullah is kalki avatar we would not accept that.
guru gobind singh ji is kalki avtar and nothing you say or do will change that.

 

[loverofhumanity]

what im saying is that your house of justice has no jurisdiction on this matter, and even if the supreme court of Kazakhstan says that baha ullah is kalki avatar we would not accept that.
guru gobind singh ji is kalki avtar and nothing you say or do will change that.

You’re belief is yours. Baha’u’llah is the One Who claimed to be the Promised One of all religions but that’s only accepted by Baha’is. If you believe it’s guru Singh then that’s your right to believe.

 

[Jainarayan]

The reason Arjuna couldn’t re,ember thrm is becsuse they never happened. Arjuna, his qualities reappeared from time to time but not the self same person.

What do you base that on? To me that's taking stated facts from whom I believe to be God, and contradicting them, stating them as fact, which I find offensive and appropriating. If you understood the concept of jiva, atman and reincarnation, you would know your premise is not possible. You're applying Buddhist thinking to Hinduism. There's more than a little temerity and arrogance there.

 

[loverofhumanity]

yes , so please do not play with words you don't know the meaning of ... kalki avatar has a meaning within its name which disqualifies bah'ullah by default .. an avatar is action oriented being and its presence and actions speak louder than words or certificates , an avtaar is like a nuclear bomb that does its job and the world gets to know without certificates.

Your entitled to your views as we have ours.

What do you mean by certificates?

What meaining within the name Kalki Avatar are you referring to that you believe disqualifies Baha’u’llah?

 

[loverofhumanity]

What do you base that on? To me that's taking stated facts from whom I believe to be God, and contradicting them, stating them as fact, whihc I find offensive and appropriating. If you understood the concept of jiva, atman and reincarnation, you would know your premise is not possible. You're applying Buddhist thinking to Hinduism. There's more than a little temerity and arrogance there.

It’s just my understanding as you have yours.

 

[Vinayaka]

That is not my point. You are not a Shaeva Hindu for nothing. You have your preferences like most people do. How evolved you are spiritually or how morally elevated is a different matter.
If you fill out one of those religion tests, you will automatically be given such a list also, from more to less in line with your own preferences.

I don't understand. Religion test? List?

 

[Vinayaka]

I disagree with the Bible there, along with most Hindus, Jains and Buddhists.

The Bible has no authority over non-Christians. The government of Russia has no authority over the people of Brazil. Saying, 'it's true because the Bible says so' is okay for Christians, but totally irrelevant for the rest of us.

 

[Jainarayan]

It’s just my understanding as you have yours.

I don't have 'understanding', I have 'acceptance' of my scriptures. What your understanding is, is irrelevant to me or any other Hindu inasmuch as it's not spread as the truth. We already have enough on our plates dealing with the legacy of the British occupation and western Indologists making things up as they go along and misrepresenting Hinduism, even to Hindus.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Your entitled to your views as we have ours.

What do you mean by certificates?

What meaining within the name Kalki Avatar are you referring to that you believe disqualifies Baha’u’llah?

rather than me telling you the meaning and you simply saying that baha'ullah was it.. you explain what the words kalki mean and what is avatar.. and how can you discount reincarnation when you use the word AVATAR ... that in itself certifies reincarnation. hindus will laugh at you if u say no reincarnation .. and xyz = avtar...its contradicting the backbone.

 

[Muffled]

Although the Hindu, Budhism and other Non-Abrahamic Religions seem to be different than the Abrahamics ones, Can they be from the same God, but were revealed or manifested in different ways, based on cultural differences
Could God have spoke dharma, the way He did to Hindus, but in other cultures, He manifested Prophets as seen in Abrahamics.

Would this verse of Quran, explain it?

"To every People have We appointed [different] rites and ceremonies which they must follow: let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord: for thou art assuredly on the Right Way. 2:67

Comment in bracket is by myself.

I believe the concept of a God over all other gods is present in the Vedas. I wouldn't say that He was known very well but considering how ancient the texts are it certainly might be an early revelation. I suppose it depends on how one views the illumination of the Buddha. He does not attribute it to God but then what is his source?

 

[Muffled]

Personally I see it is the only way to recognise we are one human race. That we all are formed from the same dust. That creation had the one same source.

Regards Tony

I believe that is a non-sequitur.

 

[Muffled]

That makes over 4000 gods redundant (and dont forget the 33 million hindu gods)

Saying to the people who worship/worshipped any of those gods that there god is really a different god, your god is the key to wars of religion.

I believe the dichotomies are real. Truth vs Lies. Good vs Evil.

 

[Jainarayan]

I suppose it depends on how one views the illumination of the Buddha. He does not attribute it to God but then what is his source?

Intense and long meditation on life and suffering. The Buddha neither denied nor endorsed a belief in God.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe the dichotomies are real. Truth vs Lies. Good vs Evil.

Whos truth? Whos lies?

Whos good, whos evil?

Human morality addresses these points, no god needed.

 

[loverofhumanity]

rather than me telling you the meaning and you simply saying that baha'ullah was it.. you explain what the words kalki mean and what is avatar.. and how can you discount reincarnation when you use the word AVATAR ... that in itself certifies reincarnation. hindus will laugh at you if u say no reincarnation .. and xyz = avtar...its contradicting the backbone.

As I have pointed out before on many occasions. These Holy Books are spiritual books not to be taken every word literally as the spiritual meanings will be lost.

By Kalki, the destroyer of the wicked and ignorance, the tenth Avatar of Vishnu. we are speaking about a Warrior with a great army but a spiritual Warrior with a spiritual army Who, with the Sword of Truth, His Words, and His army of lovers will conquer hate, prejudice, war and evil with love, peace, and unity and restore religion and purity. His Horse (depicted as a God)is His Cause with which He spreads His teachings and establishes a golden age.

This is very brief but we believe Baha’u’llah easily fulfills these conditions and is Kalki Avatar. The Sword of His Words have spread all over the world and are conquering evil and sin and establishing the Golden Age of Purity amongst men.

I wish to point out that when Jesus appeared it was a simple unlearned fisherman who recognised Him whereas the most learned and educated in all the scriptures failed.

Today I believe it is similar. Those who claim to have knowledge and are learned have failed to see and recognise Kalki Avatar so far in the Person of Baha’u’llah whilst those who are spiritually minded easily know He is Kalki. This is my opinion. Of course you see it differently but this is trying to ckrify how we believe.

In the Gita Lord Krishna emphasises again and again that without spiritual knowledge one cannot know God yet instead of looking at the spiritual reality of Baha’u’llah the focus is on literal meanings of words completely overlooking the deep spiritual meanings therein? Why? This is against the teachings of Lord Krishna. The spiritual greatness of Baha’u’llah cannot be ignored.

You’re right. I don’t know what every word literally means just like the Pharisees did but like Peter knew Who Christ was I know Baha’u’llah is Kalki Avatar and His Teachings, and Life and world community are spiritual proof of that to myself.

This is not your view and I respect that you disagree but I maintain that I do not need a degree in Hinduism to recognise Kalki Avatar because spiritual knowledge can recognise God instantly even though a person be untutored and unlettered. Knowledge can in fact be a barrier as in the case of the Pharisees.

So let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that because I don’t see anything but the Spiritual Warrior Kalki Avatar in Baha’u’llah with the Sword of Truth conquering hate and injustice everywhere and ushering in the long awaited Golden Age.