Can Non-Abrahamics and Abrahamics be from same God?

[RoaringSilence]

As I have pointed out before on many occasions. These Holy Books are spiritual books not to be taken every word literally as the spiritual meanings will be lost.

By Kalki, the destroyer of the wicked and ignorance, the tenth Avatar of Vishnu. we are speaking about a Warrior with a great army but a spiritual Warrior with a spiritual army Who, with the Sword of Truth, His Words, and His army of lovers will conquer hate, prejudice, war and evil with love, peace, and unity and restore religion and purity. His Horse (depicted as a God)is His Cause with which He spreads His teachings and establishes a golden age.

This is very brief but we believe Baha’u’llah easily fulfills these conditions and is Kalki Avatar. The Sword of His Words have spread all over the world and are conquering evil and sin and establishing the Golden Age of Purity amongst men.

I wish to point out that when Jesus appeared it was a simple unlearned fisherman who recognised Him whereas the most learned and educated in all the scriptures failed.

Today I believe it is similar. Those who claim to have knowledge and are learned have failed to see and recognise Kalki Avatar so far in the Person of Baha’u’llah whilst those who are spiritually minded easily know He is Kalki. This is my opinion. Of course you see it differently but this is trying to ckrify how we believe.

In the Gita Lord Krishna emphasises again and again that without spiritual knowledge one cannot know God yet instead of looking at the spiritual reality of Baha’u’llah the focus is on literal meanings of words completely overlooking the deep spiritual meanings therein? Why? This is against the teachings of Lord Krishna. The spiritual greatness of Baha’u’llah cannot be ignored.

You’re right. I don’t know what every word literally means just like the Pharisees did but like Peter knew Who Christ was I know Baha’u’llah is Kalki Avatar and His Teachings, and Life and world community are spiritual proof of that to myself.

This is not your view and I respect that you disagree but I maintain that I do not need a degree in Hinduism to recognise Kalki Avatar because spiritual knowledge can recognise God instantly even though a person be untutored and unlettered. Knowledge can in fact be a barrier as in the case of the Pharisees.

So let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that because I don’t see anything but the Spiritual Warrior Kalki Avatar in Baha’u’llah with the Sword of Truth conquering hate and injustice everywhere and ushering in the long awaited Golden Age.

Avtaar of vishnu who REINCARNATES .. omgawd get your facts right.. many many people before and after bahullah have called themselves kalki avtar...

when they dont even acknowledge who vishnu is and his role in the CYCLE OF REBIRTHS .

without reincarnation you have no case nor the right to hijack the kalki avtar

 

[loverofhumanity]

Avtaar of vishnu who REINCARNATES .. omgawd get your facts right.. many many people before and after bahullah have called themselves kalki avtar...

when they dont even acknowledge who vishnu is and his role in the CYCLE OF REBIRTHS .

without reincarnation you have no case nor the right to hijack the kalki avtar

First thanks for being so patient. I know we differ but I really, really appreciate your tolerance.

With regards to Avatars or Manifestations the Bahai Writings say They are pre existent so they can reincarnate.

“The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The Soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.”

So in the Baha’i Writings it says of Baha’u’llah

“To Him the Bhagavad-Gita of the Hindus had referred as the "Most Great Spirit," the "Tenth Avatar," the "Immaculate Manifestation of Krishna.” “to the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna”. (Shoghi Effendi)

 

[loverofhumanity]

Avtaar of vishnu who REINCARNATES .. omgawd get your facts right.. many many people before and after bahullah have called themselves kalki avtar...

when they dont even acknowledge who vishnu is and his role in the CYCLE OF REBIRTHS .

without reincarnation you have no case nor the right to hijack the kalki avtar

Just want to add I’m full of admiration for the way you’ve put up with me. and my audacious views. I’ve been very testing on very sensitive topics but I always accept you for who you are and what you believe and I consider it a privilege to discuss with Hindus.

So I hope you can forgive me if I’ve been harsh but that’s just my very imperfect way of expressing myself. I’ve got s lot to learn from everyone and I’m not here to change anyone just share and learn.

 

[RoaringSilence]

First thanks for being so patient. I know we differ but I really, really appreciate your tolerance.

With regards to Avatars or Manifestations the Bahai Writings say They are pre existent so they can reincarnate.

“The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The Soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being.”

So in the Baha’i Writings it says of Baha’u’llah

“To Him the Bhagavad-Gita of the Hindus had referred as the "Most Great Spirit," the "Tenth Avatar," the "Immaculate Manifestation of Krishna.” “to the Hindus the reincarnation of Krishna”. (Shoghi Effendi)

so krishna lied when he said all souls reincarnate ? or did guru nanak ji lie about re incarnation ? and budha was lieing as well?
guru granth sahib clearly says rebirth in almost every chapter...i dont know how your organisation gives out certificates of sainthood without even reading their books. you cannot fool us all.. you clearly have not read ggs..nor bhagwat geeta ...'

you are saying .... that VISHNu ( THE ONE WHO SUSTAINS THE CYCLE OF REBIRTHS of all souls) took rebirth as bahualla and said.. sorry guys i lied about what my job is..and it was supposed to be one life per soul.. LOL

 

[Vinayaka]

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Oh, those tests. Yes, I'm familiar with them. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I've always found then overly simplistic, yet perhaps a good starting point for someone trying to figure out which religion best suits them.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Just want to add I’m full of admiration for the way you’ve put up with me. and my audacious views. I’ve been very testing on very sensitive topics but I always accept you for who you are and what you believe and I consider it a privilege to discuss with Hindus.

So I hope you can forgive me if I’ve been harsh but that’s just my very imperfect way of expressing myself. I’ve got s lot to learn from everyone and I’m not here to change anyone just share and learn.

relax man i don't take anything personal.. i only fight with ideas not with people.. im one guy you can talk to like a teenager.. express freely and don't hold back..infact i should apologize coz i don't use formal talk much

 

[Vinayaka]

relax man i don't take anything personal.. i only fight with ideas not with people.. im one guy you can talk to like a teenager.. express freely and don't hold back..infact i should apologize coz i don't use formal talk much

Just want to add I’m full of admiration for the way you’ve put up with me. and my audacious views. I’ve been very testing on very sensitive topics but I always accept you for who you are and what you believe and I consider it a privilege to discuss with Hindus.

So I hope you can forgive me if I’ve been harsh but that’s just my very imperfect way of expressing myself. I’ve got s lot to learn from everyone and I’m not here to change anyone just share and learn.

The fine art of apology generally works better when accompanied by an actual change of behaviour. So the pattern is ... insult other relgions, then apologise for it, then go back to insulting, than apologise for it, like that. How about just stopping the insulting?

 

[Vinayaka]

I have sometimes wondered why the cultures in India have been blessed with such a rich amount of devotion for God and such rich spiritual philosophies, whereas when you move away from India this wealth is so much weaker.
Why did God express Himself as Krishna and Shiva and many other great guru's within India rather than elsewhere? It seems unfair that it wasn't more evenly distributed over the earth.

But when you think about reincarnation and human beings starting out as being more primitive or animal like and only gradually advancing towards divinity, it seems less unfair because people don't always reincarnate in the same culture so they can gradually advance to more greatness.

The great Guru's of India must have chosen that densely populated area to incarnate because that is where the human culture was for a very long time most advanced and the devotion for God the greatest. So that must have automatically attracted them to India to meet the needs of their devotees. India was and probably still is the spiritual navel of this planet.

Yoga has now spread all over the world but I feel that many people outside India still don't realise enough how central the spiritual philosophies of India are to human civilisation and how much the origins of Abrahamic religions owe to India and its spirituality. I'm sure one day they will and things are speeding up with the internet but many people outside of India are still too much stuck in their own isolated bubble as is also illustrated inside this thread.

She is the Mother. I met a fine Iranian moderate Muslim the other day at our temple. He runs an excellent hatha yoga school, and is just now discovering where that knowledge began. In time, everyone will know, and acknowledge it.

 

[loverofhumanity]

so krishna lied when he said all souls reincarnate ? or did guru nanak ji lie about re incarnation ? and budha was lieing as well?
guru granth sahib clearly says rebirth in almost every chapter...i dont know how your organisation gives out certificates of sainthood without even reading their books. you cannot fool us all.. you clearly have not read ggs..nor bhagwat geeta ...'

you are saying .... that VISHNu ( THE ONE WHO SUSTAINS THE CYCLE OF REBIRTHS of all souls) took rebirth as bahualla and said.. sorry guys i lied about what my job is..and it was supposed to be one life per soul.. LOL

No They are the Essence of Truthfulness.
I believe all the Avatars teach the same truths and discrepancies do not come from Them.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I disagree with the Bible there, along with most Hindus, Jains and Buddhists.

Thats ok, I am not here to change your mind as what you see contains truth.

I can say that is why I embrace the Baha'i Faith, as it shows to me I can learn from all past Faiths as they are all given by God. If I find something in a Faith that appears to disagree with another aspect of another Faith, I get to explore deeper understandings.

Regards Tony

 

[loverofhumanity]

The fine art of apology generally works better when accompanied by an actual change of behaviour. So the pattern is ... insult other relgions, then apologise for it, then go back to insulting, than apologise for it, like that. How about just stopping the insulting?

Actually on second thought I should thank you. You are a true friend who really wants to see me better myself. Thanks for caring.

 

[Shad]

ggs..nor bhagwat geeta ...

For a second I thought you had a stroke.

GGS is Guru Granth Sahib?

 

[Jainarayan]

GGS is Guru Granth Sahib?

Yes.

 

[Shad]

Yes.

Thanks.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yoga has now spread all over the world but I feel that many people outside India still don't realise enough how central the spiritual philosophies of India are to human civilisation and how much the origins of Abrahamic religions owe to India and its spirituality. I'm sure one day they will and things are speeding up with the internet but many people outside of India are still too much stuck in their own isolated bubble as is also illustrated inside this thread.

Yet when a Oneness of God is shown, it is rejected by the enlightened

We make our own bubbles, as God word is as the Ocean, to which we all get sustenance from.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

We make our own bubbles, as God word is as the Ocean, to which we all get sustenance from.

We? And here I though you had stopped speaking for everyone, as you had previously stopped excessive quoting. I was about to thank you for it too. No atheist believes he gets sustenance from God. How would it be if an atheist said, "We don't believe in God. Those of us who do are deluded." ?

 

[Vinayaka]

No They are the Essence of Truthfulness.
I believe all the Avatars teach the same truths and discrepancies do not come from Them.

Thank you for putting 'I believe' in front of your statement. Makes it far more tolerable.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

We? And here I though you had stopped speaking for everyone, as you had previously stopped excessive quoting. I was about to thank you for it too. No atheist believes he gets sustenance from God. How would it be if an atheist said, "We don't believe in God. Those of us who do are deluded." ?

We had that conversation and I explained why I choose to offer Faith or no faith as 'We' or 'Us'

We are one Human Family. We have to find our unity as united we stand, divided we fall.

Sometimes to see this we have to face the rebellion of members of a family.

But in the end the result is, if we keep trying......


Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have sometimes wondered why the cultures in India have been blessed with such a rich amount of devotion for God and such rich spiritual philosophies, whereas when you move away from India this wealth is so much weaker.

It hasn't. It's just because the religious philosophies of India happen to be your personal favorite. Other peoples aren't less blessed with spiritual insight.

 

[Vinayaka]

We had that conversation and I explained why I choose to offer Faith or no faith as 'We' or 'Us'

In personal relationships, this methodology becomes a huge barrier. I had a colleague once who would say, rather emphatically, "We should ..." At the end of the year some groups of staff would go out for lunch. She'd come along and rather than asking, "Where does everyone think we should go to?" she'd just announced the 'We should go to _______ s?" Then, when someone would suggest another place, she'd feel really offended. I watched her lose all her possible friends over a period of ten years, because she couldn't rid herself of her habit of speaking for everyone, pushing her agenda on everyone. Domineering parents have the same social handicap, often losing son/daughter relationships because of it.

Yes, it's subtle, but Tony, you don't speak for me, nor for humanity. Best wishes maintaining the idea though, if you insist. I will continue to point out you don't speak for me.