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Can Religious Beliefs be Changed?

Question that has always troubled me... Can religious beliefs even be changed normally? People spend so much time attempting to convert people to their beliefs, but the reason that never made since to me is that other people have been raised their whole life to accept a different belief and believe it just as firmly as the first person believes their religion... It is just like if someone attempted to convince you... You would refuse to stray off of your belief if you are truly devout... Another 2-cents...
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Question that has always troubled me... Can religious beliefs even be changed normally? People spend so much time attempting to convert people to their beliefs, but the reason that never made since to me is that other people have been raised their whole life to accept a different belief and believe it just as firmly as the first person believes their religion... It is just like if someone attempted to convince you... You would refuse to stray off of your belief if you are truly devout... Another 2-cents...
Absolutely, they can. It's not easy, but it is possible. My own journey has been quite colorful.
 
Well, the way I see it though is that, if you are really a true and firm believer, simple words are not nearly enough to persuade you out of your religion because you will always purpose a counter to whatever could possibly prove your religion wrong...
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes they can. Personally I have gone from a Southern Baptist Deacon to my current beliefs. With a 100% turnaround in my outlook on life.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Well, the way I see it though is that, if you are really a true and firm believer, simple words are not nearly enough to persuade you out of your religion because you will always purpose a counter to whatever could possibly prove your religion wrong...
Simple words, no. Experience, yes. You may find this post of interest. Please note that it's in a DIR, where debate is prohibited. If you wish to copy it to this thread, you have my blessing. :)
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Question that has always troubled me... Can religious beliefs even be changed normally? People spend so much time attempting to convert people to their beliefs, but the reason that never made since to me is that other people have been raised their whole life to accept a different belief and believe it just as firmly as the first person believes their religion... It is just like if someone attempted to convince you... You would refuse to stray off of your belief if you are truly devout... Another 2-cents...

Hell I started off as a Christian and look at me know :cool:

Personally I think it's a good idea to continuously question and alter your religious beliefs in order to avoid stagnation and inflexibility.
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
I can change MY religious beliefs. YOU cannot change MY religious beliefs. I cannot change YOUR religious beliefs.

I can possibly influence you in a given direction if you are ready to change your beliefs, but I cannot force such a change.
 
Indeed, experiences are what will possibly do it.... I think however that this forum is not terribly accurate in representing the majority of people of religion lol... Many people of different religions would not be able to talk civilly about opposing views... You all seem to be slightly different... More intelligent than your average people...
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Indeed, experiences are what will possibly do it.... I think however that this forum is not terribly accurate in representing the majority of people of religion lol... Many people of different religions would not be able to talk civilly about opposing views...
LOL, true!

You all seem to be slightly different... More intelligent than your average people...
Thank you. :eek:
 
We probably all are more intelligent, but do any of you ever feel that your intelligence threatens your religious beliefs? Sometimes it seems like it would be so much easier if I could believe things without question like many people do...
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
We probably all are more intelligent, but do any of you ever feel that your intelligence threatens your religious beliefs? Sometimes it seems like it would be so much easier if I could believe things without question like many people do...
It is questioning dogmatic belief that has brought me to where I am now.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
We probably all are more intelligent, but do any of you ever feel that your intelligence threatens your religious beliefs? Sometimes it seems like it would be so much easier if I could believe things without question like many people do...
Not at all. Faith that cannot withstand questioning is not worth holding.

But then, I attend a church that uses "Cherish Your Doubt" as a hymn.

Springtime without winter would enter with a yawn,
Dawn without the night would be a tedium of light.
Reunion follows parting, and rebirth follows death,
And our songs of love have grown
From the very seeds our doubt have sown.
Without a doubt, our hearts and minds would never grow,
Without a doubt, our dreams would have nowhere to go,
Without a doubt, we'd never change the status quo.
Yes, without a doubt, we'd be hanging on
To notions that are better gone,
So try to love the questions,
Those thorny, thorny questions.
Trust your intuition, and cherish your doubt.

Chorus:
Cherish your doubt, don't throw it out.
That's what true belief is about.
With a faith both tempered and strong,
Questioning only helps it along,
Use your eyes and ears and hands and heart and mind,
And what you find may change the world,
So don't throw it out, don't throw it out ---
Cherish your doubt.

Cherish your doubt, don't throw it out.
Mighty oaks can weather a drought.
Any faith worth taking to heart,
Tested a bit, will not fall apart.
Use your eyes and ears and hands and heart and mind,
And what you find may change the world,
So don't throw it out, don't throw it out ---
Cherish your doubt.

(Don't be afraid of what you'll find.
Leave your darkest fears behind.)

Cherish your doubt, don't throw it out.
That's one thing you can't do without.
When you walk that less-traveled route,
Wonderful new ideas may sprout.
Use your eyes and ears and hands and heart and mind,
And what you find may change the world,
So don't throw it out, don't throw it out ---
Cherish your doubt.

(Call on your reason and compassion, although it may not be in fashion.
Don't be afraid of what you'll find, just leave your fears behind.)

Cherish your doubt, don't you ever refuse it;
You can move a whole mountain if you use it ---
Cherish your doubt.

(A different drummer you will hear when you cherish your doubt.
You haven't anything to fear when you cherish your doubt.)

That's what true belief is about --- don't throw it out!
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
We probably all are more intelligent, but do any of you ever feel that your intelligence threatens your religious beliefs?
Nope, not at all. On the contrary, I think it's important to be knowledgeable and wise in order to truly be spiritual. Otherwise, all you are doing is ritualism, with half-baked understandings of the inner-meanings of things. I think knowledge to the Divine Source is more precious than blind faith. If your faith the way it is can't stand being questioned, it's not worth keeping and is in need of a serious makeover.

Sometimes it seems like it would be so much easier if I could believe things without question like many people do...
It would be, probably: but then, do we appreciate what we have? I don't think we do appreciate it as much, since we take it for granted and without questioning that way.

That is just my opinion though.
 

*Anne*

Bliss Ninny
Sometimes it seems like it would be so much easier if I could believe things without question like many people do...
Oh, I identify with that sentiment. In a big way.

I don't think I'm more intelligent than those in my family who have strong beliefs ~ I'm just more of a doubter. I question everything. And yeah, it would be easier to simply adopt their line of thinking and run with it.

I can't though. I have thoughts, doubts, and instincts that scream at me when something doesn't feel right.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I started off as a Christian. My own path, as Storm said, has been quite colorful. Care to ask me about it? I'm glad to answer any questions about myself. :)
 

Wandered Off

Sporadic Driveby Member
Of course beliefs can be changed, but it's not a simple act of will like changing your shirt. IMO, beliefs are not under our direct, conscious control. They are more an emergent property that result from our interpretation of all our inputs. Certainly you can influence your beliefs by acting as a gatekeeper for what information you receive. For example, you can choose never to read a particular holy text, and you will vastly reduce the chances of adopting the related beliefs.

Lots of people, including the fundamentalists I grew up around, say that you are capable of simply changing your beliefs, and that's why the notion of eternal punishment or reward based on our beliefs alone makes sense to them. I see it differently. Can you, for example, simply choose to believe that I am in front of you pouring pancake syrup in your hair? I doubt it, unless you have issues distinguishing fantasy from reality. Belief is more complicated than that.

I am convinced that the only way beliefs will change is if some external catalyst (new input) comes your way that renders your current beliefs inadequate and can't be explained in the context of your existing ones.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Very much so. I was born and raised a very conservative Baptist, and I was so until I was 16. I then studied various Pagan beliefs for awhile, mainly Druidism and Dark Paganism for a few years. Now I am a non-denomination LHP, with slight Luciferian and Pantheist overtones.
 

Smoke

Done here.
Life is change. Religious beliefs not only can be changed, but must be -- if only by means of elaboration.

However, it's not my opinion or experience that aggressive proselytism is a good way of effecting change in religious beliefs.
 
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